(01-03-2016, 03:57 AM)Morigan Wrote: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=134532 i'm about this thread . On original game's and Disco lore this weapons owned and producing by Republican Shipping ( read Alster Shipyard NPC base ingame lore and chack weapon dealer in game ) . " Rheinland restricted technology " must consider Discovery roleplay lore first of all . This is not correct and not valid claim .
(01-03-2016, 03:57 AM)Morigan Wrote: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=134532 i'm about this thread . On original game's and Disco lore this weapons owned and producing by Republican Shipping ( read Alster Shipyard NPC base ingame lore and chack weapon dealer in game ) . " Rheinland restricted technology " must consider Discovery roleplay lore first of all . This is not correct and not valid claim .
Like previous comments already said, the fact that some of the military grade gear is manufactured on Republican Shipping bases does not mean you can freely use it just because of that. It is quite common even in current real world that military gear of all types, be it guns, vehicles, aircrafts or ships, is manufactured by civilian companies. However that does not mean their employees can freely use it as they wish. In the same way as employees of General Electric were never allowed to take minigun from work and put it on their SUV to ride around the block and shoot at ducks, employees of Uralvagonzavod were never allowed to drive home or to the picnic in T-14 Armata tank and employees of Northrop Corporation were never allowed to just jump in fresh new B-2 stealth bomber and fly wherever they want, the Republican Shipping employees can not freely use military gunboat turrets on company ships without permission.
By the way, reason why restricted technology registry and permission procedure were created was exactly to finally provide extented possibility to obtain military gear legally (because prior to that, it was technically about good will of RM in majority of cases).
So rest assured this is a valid claim and will be treated as such. Either you will try to solve the incident properly inRP and also try to obtain permission for use of military gunboat turrets, or you can try to ignore whole matter, but be ready for consequencies.
(01-03-2016, 03:57 AM)Morigan Wrote: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=134532 i'm about this thread . On original game's and Disco lore this weapons owned and producing by Republican Shipping ( read Alster Shipyard NPC base ingame lore and chack weapon dealer in game ) . " Rheinland restricted technology " must consider Discovery roleplay lore first of all . This is not correct and not valid claim .
Like previous comments already said, the fact that some of the military grade gear is manufactured on Republican Shipping bases does not mean you can freely use it just because of that. It is quite common even in current real world that military gear of all types, be it guns, vehicles, aircrafts or ships, is manufactured by civilian companies. However that does not mean their employees can freely use it as they wish. In the same way as employees of General Electric were never allowed to take minigun from work and put it on their SUV to ride around the block and shoot at ducks, employees of Uralvagonzavod were never allowed to drive home or to the picnic in T-14 Armata tank and employees of Northrop Corporation were never allowed to just jump in fresh new B-2 stealth bomber and fly wherever they want, the Republican Shipping employees can not freely use military gunboat turrets on company ships without permission.
By the way, reason why restricted technology registry and permission procedure were created was exactly to finally provide extented possibility to obtain military gear legally (because prior to that, it was technically about good will of RM in majority of cases).
So rest assured this is a valid claim and will be treated as such. Either you will try to solve the incident properly inRP and also try to obtain permission for use of military gunboat turrets, or you can try to ignore whole matter, but be ready for consequencies.
in the description of that weapon ( in game in current mod ) which is on sale on Alster Shipyard told that "rheinland weapons", but it isn't told that "military weapons" anywhere. It is not the same , “rheinland” and “military” . Words "military" or “restricted” or something like this aren't present anywhere there .
it is military fighter for example , and here declared that this ship restricted and only military and police allowed to use this , yes .
It is rheinland gb gun from Alster . But here isn't specified such . It is “rheinland” but not “military” and not “restricked” weapon in Disco roleplay lore . Other weapons also declared as “rheinland” but not as “military” or “restricted” . Why there is a speech this is military and restricted weapons ? Where it is written or specified ? Show me this plz first .
What is restricted or illegal completely, be it cargo, ships or weapons, is not defined by lore or infocards, but by inRP house laws which change over time and are set by decision of respective house government for each house (or precisely by players in them, which consider both inRP and ooRP gameplay reasons). Lore and infocards are just some basic guidelines, but they definitely don´t provide enough information because are often written (on purpose) in general manner, to provide space for roleplay.
So basically by current laws, Rheinland gunboat turrets, forward cannons and missile launchers are restricted. Simple as that. You can see complete list here:
(12-03-2015, 07:18 PM)Bundeskabinett Sekretariat Wrote: The following is a list of equipment requiring governmental approval for usage:
Ship-mounted weaponry
R6-n "Hornviper" Tachyon Cannon
R3-n "Stealthblade" Tachyon Cannon
R4-n "Stealthblade" Photon Cannon Mk II
R3-nt "Stealthblade" Photon Turret
R7-n "Hornviper" Tachyon Cannon Mk II
R7-nt "Hornviper" Tachyon Turret Mk II
R7-s "Firekiss" Plasma Cannon Mk II
R7-st "Firekiss" Plasma Turret Mk II
You try to prove this but this must be based on original game knowledge and must be logical as minimum. I gave an example from which everything must be clear; usually in the info-card for any weapon or ship full description, everything is specified include restrictions. More than this ,you added to this list stuff that players can use in any other house freely. I’m done here, won't waste more my time.
I'm pretty sure semantics are a non-issue here. People used to enter Roussillon without permission and dock on Perpignan Freeport because it was called "Freeport", had "Free" in it's name, so people felt entitled to do anything with it. I asked Echo to change the name because the station was not meant to used like that, he changed the name, since then it's called Perpignan Spaceport and retards can no longer b!tch about the name. If wording is all what's preventing you from roleplaying out the situation, Morigan, I'm quite certain a fix can be arranged.
Why was the real time mentioned inRP here? It makes no sense, or do you expect everyone to wait a realistic (in this case probably 4 hours or more?!) amount of time before making RP? Just explain me why. Thanks in advance.
EDIT: A nice quote might be added here, one I fully agree with: "Time in RP universes never makes sense. I mean sometimes a conversation takes weeks that would have lasted a mere 30 minutes."
I think it's best to simply remove that part of your message.
I don't need to repeat Werdackel's words or of other community members who can easily explain why this is not an appropriate inRP responce. I know you would come up with anything in order to avoid losing an argument.
Why was the real time mentioned inRP here? It makes no sense, or do you expect everyone to wait a realistic (in this case probably 4 hours or more?!) amount of time before making RP? Just explain me why. Thanks in advance.
EDIT: A nice quote might be added here, one I fully agree with: "Time in RP universes never makes sense. I mean sometimes a conversation takes weeks that would have lasted a mere 30 minutes."
Hi, thanks for the feedback.
After thinking about it again thoroughly and also considering opinion of some other players, I agree with you. I was tired when making that reply and used first thought which came to my mind without thinking it through properly. It was not good idea and I will change that reply.
(04-29-2016, 05:18 PM)Matthias D. Falkenrath Wrote: I know you would come up with anything in order to avoid losing an argument.
Werdackel|´s post made me to think again about my reply and motivated me to do it in other/proper/better way (along with other players). Your post nearly killed that motivation, because you publicly slandered me with implying that I already decided outcome of our interaction, what is not true. If it would be already decided and I would be willing to "do anything", I would simply ignore you or reject your demand directly, because there is no way how you can force me if I would not be willing to play along.
I really don´t like such manipulative attitude, which is cornering me into position where I either have to agree with your demand unconditionally or I will look as bad roleplayer because I already predefined the outcome of our interaction and will "do anything" including foul play to reach it. Use of real time definitely did not have this purpose behind it like you imply, it was simply bad judgement of tired player. I don´t have problem to admit the mistake and fix it.
Like I said, I will change my reply because I agree it was not appropriate to use real time inRP. Though definitely not because of what you wrote. It would be good if you can be next time constructive instead of publicly implying that I´m person which is waste of time to roleplay with because everything is decided right from the beginning.
Don't worry, everyone can make a mistake here or there due to certain reasons.
And I have to agree with you about @Matthias D. Falkenrath . There was really no need to say such stuff. If you have a problem with @Laura C. about the RP style etc. keep it out of a faction feedback thread.
Anyway, thanks for taking your time to read and think about it.