Core the new Gallia?

[Grumblesaur]

we are good people.

It's safe to say that The Core are the 'Bad Guys' when compared to the Order. The war with the Order is being fought because the Order is true to its mission. They want the nomad threat eliminated. They don't want a bunch of power hungry maniacs running off with dangerous nomad artifacts. The bunch of power hungry maniacs DO want this. [...] So ironically, the good guys (Order) are perceived as bad guys and the bad guys (The Core) are perceived as good guys. Mmmmm, Lawful Evil RP tastes so good.

Yeah, you're totally the good guys.

[Croft]

You could possibly request in their feedback to have them address the issues you have in their lore and write something about it instead is silently grumbling about it and complaining :|

I wish people would do the same for me and not just talk behind my back too.
I even made a thread for such suggestions for lore.

It is kinda hard for someone that is making a new faction to figure out all the questions that need to be answered on their own. Help and feedback is always welcome.

To be honest Nom I gave up trying to help or improve Disco long ago, most critique is taken as a personal attack and any new ideas are often shouted down, both are frequently ignored. I hadn't even read the Core's info page until you asked, I was just echoing the complaints I've seen in the multitude of threads.
Sadly even feedback, no matter how well intentioned or politely phrased will help improve the current situation, as always actions speak far louder than words.

However I'll be happy to read over the AFC's info and see if anything could be improved upon, let me know if theres any areas in particular you feel unsure about.

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[Laura C.]

The Core might be a small faction in itself, but the current situation shows how much influence it has.

Definitely must have a lot of influence when when house military instantly jumps in to help them.
Without talking to the respective inRP government by both of them.
And even despite that military is breaking their own house laws by this stunt.
What a strong influence they must have...

I'm sad to see you still don't get it, bro. I thought we went over this with Karst already.

The RM is not ignoring the government in roleplay, we simply do not acknowledge you and your friends as the government. A faction has a right whether it does or does not give authority to people outside their faction to rule over their decisions, we chose not to. IRP the government still rules over us, it's just not you guys.

Your post and the attitude of your friend simply shows how much your self-proclaimed government is about control and not compromises anyway, we don't want any of that.

If this continues to anger you, make Hessians and shoot us to vent frustration instead of derailing threads and making fake military police characters to deal with the issue.

First, I don´t know who did that stunt with military police, but it was silly and I´m surprised it was not removed for obvious powergaming. Don´t try to use it against us. If we would want to go into direct conflict with you, we would contact you directly and point out that your planned action is violation of Rheinland laws. But we wanted to avoid escalating things even further, and that´s why Karst approached you and Landers was asked to join the Bundestag chat (because people which are there for RM obviously don´t represent its leadership anymore and on top of that are completely inactive). Even after RM lost it´s officialdom, we wanted to keep RM representatives there because we believed it is temporary problem and wanted to continue cooperation which worked in times when Flash was leader.

Second, all we desired was reasonably roleplay the situation. I consider it highly silly to see when house military just pack its stuff and go to make military operation far outside of its house borders on its own. It would be silly when done by anyone, be it BAF, LN, KNF or GRN. But if community can agree that military can make operations anywhere they want without talking to its own government inRP, and that specific government as well as other house factions won´t suffer from any consequencies caused by this stunt, then I´m totally fine with it. You want to ignore us, then be it.

@Doria: as one of the many outsiders who voice their opinion on a House where they don't even play, I don't blame you for not knowing that Rheinland's Omicron expansion has been in the dev's plans for at least a year. We are simply doing the roleplay behind it, since so far it had little reason to happen.

This is interesting to read. When I approached devteam with inquiry about giving RM Omicron campaign (because some of oh so evil powergrabbing people in Bundestag were actually concerned about decreasing activity of RM thus wanted to help it by giving it more things to do -backed up with reasonable roleplay-), they didn´t tell me anything about how already planned is this, they actually were hesitating.


To conclude - it is sad to see that your return to the RM HC means not only return of the activity (for what I give you all kudos), but also return of RM´s isolation and digging trenches, based solely on ooRP relations. But at least players as well as admins will now know what the situation is and why things are happening the way the are happening, it will help to prevent confusion in the community which current events still create.

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[Xenon]

the comparison does not really fit.

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[Doria]

@Doria: as one of the many outsiders who voice their opinion on a House where they don't even play, I don't blame you for not knowing that Rheinland's Omicron expansion has been in the dev's plans for at least a year. We are simply doing the roleplay behind it, since so far it had little reason to happen.

This is interesting to read. When I approached devteam with inquiry about giving RM Omicron campaign (because some of oh so evil powergrabbing people in Bundestag were actually concerned about decreasing activity of RM thus wanted to help it by giving it more things to do -backed up with reasonable roleplay-), they didn´t tell me anything about how already planned is this, they actually were hesitating.


To conclude - it is sad to see that your return to the RM HC means not only return of the activity (for what I give you all kudos), but also return of RM´s isolation and digging trenches, based solely on ooRP relations. But at least players as well as admins will now know what the situation is and why things are happening the way the are happening, it will help to prevent confusion in the community which current events still create.

So, here comes a player, leader of a rheinland official faction, no less, and has the same opinion: that your actions are not only inRP as you claim, but very much ooRP fueled, as I stated. So it's not only outsiders that think that.

By the way, until last year, I was part of RFP, if you don't remember.

[Wesker]

The Core might be a small faction in itself, but the current situation shows how much influence it has.

Definitely must have a lot of influence when when house military instantly jumps in to help them.
Without talking to the respective inRP government by both of them.
And even despite that military is breaking their own house laws by this stunt.
What a strong influence they must have...

Shows how much the players behind said factions care about RP.

Sadly not everyone can be as role play correct as Corsairs allying with SCRA allying with Outcasts allying with Order allying with Hessians all to defend the Zoners.

The hessians aren't in this stupid anti core circlejerk of garbage RP.

I have other reasons for wanting to goto omicron 74

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[Sturmwind]

@Laura C. I'm glad to learn that you exhibited such a benevolent attitude towards our faction. Since I was not aware of all this help and support you've shown us behind our backs, whereas the open, up-front opposition of you and the government has been quite clearly shown, I could only use the latter to judge your conduct. Show us your support in the open if you really want us to be aware of it (and believe it) instead of using it to throw a punch at us for being ungrateful bastards.

EDIT: As for Karst approaching "us": I approached him, not the other way around and for entirely different reasons which he will tell you if he wants to. Us joining the government chat would simply give you a chance to attempt extending your control over us once more, so I don't see why I should consider this you guys being gracious.

That the devs "hesitated" means nothing, last time I was made aware of their plans, the Omicron expansion was a part thereof. It might have been postponed because it had no reason to happen, now it does.

As for you and everyone else calling our conduct illogical and oorp, you should be aware that the Omicron region is just two systems away from Rheinland, and even if it wasn't, it is not uncommon for a modern nation with modern logistics to venture far away from its borders with an expeditionary force, should the need arise. In fact, basically every large military power in the world has several bases, operations and soldiers overseas.

@Doria: Sorry, I don't know who you are. Just because the "leader of an official faction" has an opinion, you still should back up yours with your own facts and reasons if you want to be taken seriously.

Also, I didn't realize this was the RM feedback thread. Take it there if you want to attack our roleplay ooRP, but the fact that we won't change what we do just because you people don't agree with us is guaranteed, so you're just wasting your time.

[Thyrzul]

Can't RM just go after Hessians somewhere at the border between Rheinland and the Omegas? Last time I saw them they can be quite active and amass a massive cap fleet when the need arises, you can ask The Core if you don't believe me, they sure know what I'm talking about.

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[Stoner_Steve]

Back on Topic

I have changed my mind, Core is North Korea, nothing is wrong, everyone else lies, and no one dies in the peoples paradise

[Lythrilux]

The Core went from Hunters looking for alien tech and an excuse to use caps to "OMICRON EMPIRE!" Wheres the bit inbetween that shows WHY the Core wants to set up an empire in empty space, how they manged to overcome the adversities that plague others in the region? Lack of food? Funding? Or how they've survived and actually managed to gain a foothold on the Order's/Corsairs doorstep without being murdered on sight?

Instituting Core rule throughout the Omicrons, and the eventual creation of an empire spanning the entire eastern edge of Sirius, under complete, totalitarian control of the Guild.

This was always part of the NPC faction's goals. I didn't introduce it myself. As to why they wish to do so, it's quite simple really. The Omicrons are a vast region of exotic, highly profitable and untapped resources. The Core wants to capitalise on this and control the region/resources.

In terms of food Durban and Alabama both have biodomes for sustenance growing and collection. And also it is entirely possible for farming to take place on Nauru too.

Funding wise Core is propped up by House Governments and their military/intelligence factions as well as Corporations via the selling of rare alien-sourced goods, equipment and weaponry and with Iridium mining on top of that. And in terms of origin Core's inception was introduced via support from the Bounty Hunters Guild - which is hundreds of years old - as well as (by the new lore) House militaries, so they were already off to a fairly decent start upon stepping into the Edge Worlds.

The Core has survived due to other factions within the Edge Worlds having to fight their own conflicts. And The Core is technologically superior to all factions in that region with the exception of The Order (who are technologically equal) and the AI and Nomads (who imo are technologically superior). Although hypothetically if large entities like (i.e.) the Corsairs suddenly became friends with all their enemies and focused solely on The Core, survival would be very unlikely. Actually in fact in the lore at one point during the old Corsair-Order alliance The Core was almost wiped out because their adversaries put immense pressure on their supply lines. This was a turning point because it's when The Core became much more brutal in its demeanour and is what contributed to their fall from grace during Minor.

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I hope this isn't considered a gravedig? I just remembered this thread popped up throughout the Delta stuff and personally I think it would be cool if Core starts to be more of an antagonist. I mean we were always bad guys, at face value we just love to smile for the camera. I'm not too sure if a direct Gallia comparison would be the best here though.

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