[High Priority] Official Notice: Core ID/Tech cell change

[Toris (Old Account)]

Toris. With all respect dude. Are you at least AWARE that APM technolgies can not be role played by civilians? Hrmmmm? Are you aware of that? The Core will never give their ships so easy.

Whan it case of the situation in which a player claims that Orca was sold to him or his company/faction/mercenary group by APM without inclusion of the Bounty Hunters Guild? Remember my analogy with M4A1 and AR-15? It is like paramilitary group supplied by Colt's Manufacturing Company harassed a guy who just legally bought AR-15 in the shop.

Orca is not The Core ship. It's ship produced by the APM for Bounty Hunters, but also used by Sirian Corporations. BY. CIVILIANS.

Neither APM not BHG and The Core are the same thing. The issue I ask about is what happens, if one corporation has e.g. Manta in their ranks, but the owner claims it was sold by APM to e.g. Kruger. That's why I brought this example:

It is like paramilitary group supplied by Colt's Manufacturing Company harassed a guy who just legally bought AR-15 in the shop.

[Hunor]

Very nice, I just found the thread. So here is the LIVE example : BHG claiming APM tech. So.. Until there is no 100% clear decision I ask this not to happen please.

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[Durandal]

Toris. With all respect dude. Are you at least AWARE that APM technolgies can not be role played by civilians? Hrmmmm? Are you aware of that? The Core will never give their ships so easy.

Whan it case of the situation in which a player claims that Orca was sold to him or his company/faction/mercenary group by APM without inclusion of the Bounty Hunters Guild? Remember my analogy with M4A1 and AR-15? It is like paramilitary group supplied by Colt's Manufacturing Company harassed a guy who just legally bought AR-15 in the shop.

Orca is not The Core ship. It's ship produced by the APM for Bounty Hunters, but also used by Sirian Corporations. BY. CIVILIANS.

Neither APM not BHG and The Core are the same thing. The issue I ask about is what happens, if one corporation has e.g. Manta in their ranks, but the owner claims it was sold by APM to e.g. Kruger. That's why I brought this example:

It is like paramilitary group supplied by Colt's Manufacturing Company harassed a guy who just legally bought AR-15 in the shop.

I have absolutely no idea how to make this clearer than I already have, but I will try yet again. The Core is trying to roleplay APM. APM, as you keep pointing out, is a separate entity. This can't continue as is without things being seriously broken and weird, such as the Core supposedly having complete and total access to the BHG shipline, or selling the BHG shipline to other people. The Core cannot do that. Roleplaying APM as a subdivision of the Core, as they currently are, does not functionally work as a representation of APM as a separate entity.

[Toris (Old Account)]

@Durandal Then, please do answer me a question in here. If a corp or Freelancer says that they have e.g. Orca in their hands and they say they stroke a deal with APM, then BHG is free to ignore that statement and threaten or even kill Freelancer or the corporate? I'm asking, because BHG are not manufacturers of said Orca but clients of APM. Hence my comparison to the paramilitary group and guy who buys AR-15 in the shop.

[Enkidu]

This discussion is fricking lame.

Core invented APM - They're now no longer allowed to play APM? By that logic, Samura can't RP the production of KU navy vessels, or DHC RM vessels? The only comms or RP BHG ever makes is whining about stolen tech, anyhow. Maybe we should sort out people having BHG techcell access when they shouldn't, first, so we don't get yearly BHG ship drama over and over and over again.

Nuts.

Edit: Can LH and Core stop being complete nobs over powergaming use of (Gammu) AI tech? AI tech isn't tech, it's the living, conscious bodyparts of a superintelligent unknowable alien entity. AI has the most constrained ID and ship access in the game - don't make AI even harder to play by pooping all over their cannon, please. You can only "use" AI tech on a human spaceframe if there is a Gammuian inhabiting the vessel, of its own free will.

To be clear: Core ships do not contain AI tech. AI official has told Core to bugger off with that over and over again.

[Goliath]

@Durandal Then, please do answer me a question in here. If a corp or Freelancer says that they have e.g. Orca in their hands and they say they stroke a deal with APM, then BHG is free to ignore that statement and threaten or even kill Freelancer or the corporate? I'm asking, because BHG are not manufacturers of said Orca but clients of APM. Hence my comparison to the paramilitary group and guy who buys AR-15 in the shop.

It does not make sense what you are talking about. From BHG/Core/APM you now jumped spamming same idea over and over woth your AR-15? Come on, stop arguing even with the devs.

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[Toris (Old Account)]

I'm not arguing with Dev. I'm asking if Bounty Hunters Guild members should threaten or shoot at the non-BHG entities who roleplay buying out Manta out of APM, as Bounty Hunters are not manufacturing said Manta - but they are clients to the APM, like said Freelancer or e.g. Gateway.

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This little bird went to sleep forever. So long.
Thank you for everything.

[Enkidu]

I think Toris is saying that BHG should send in a dev request to get BHG tech revoked from all the corporates who have techcells with the BHG, if they don't believe corps should be using guild tech.

Edit: It's dumb that BHG thinks threatening Gateway is a good idea. All they're going to do is get BHG FR5'd in Bretonia. Talk to Gateway and sort it - the trade was made by the Core, and Core gave the tech out. BHG should be talking to Core, and not Gateway, over the issue.

If somebody got sold your stolen bike, would you prosecute the person who purchased a bike not knowing it was stolen, or would you try to get the man who is actually stealing the bikes? The two of you need to figure out who manufactures which gunboat.

[Durandal]

@Durandal Then, please do answer me a question in here. If a corp or Freelancer says that they have e.g. Orca in their hands and they say they stroke a deal with APM, then BHG is free to ignore that statement and threaten or even kill Freelancer or the corporate? I'm asking, because BHG are not manufacturers of said Orca but clients of APM. Hence my comparison to the paramilitary group and guy who buys AR-15 in the shop.

My thoughts on the matter essentially boil down to this.

If the APM exist as a player entity, which I would only be okay with if they are NOT tied to the BHG or Core OORPly, the following logic applies:

APM and BHG can distribute BHG tech
APM and Core can distribute Core tech.

If the APM distributes Core tech without the Core's permission, the Core can threaten/kill/whatever the recipient.
If the APM distributes BHG tech without the BHG's permission, the BHG can threaten/kill/whatever the recipient.

The problem is that the right now the whole thing is very skewed because the APM is being represented by the Core, rather than by a third party or as an NPC only entity.

[YaoiKat]

I love how staff is creating a lot of dramatic situations and then solving them in even more dramatic approach.

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