Disappointment & Defeatism

[Durandal]

The people putting on the event screwed up by changing how the event was to be done halfway through and restarting it after the original rules were followed. This isn't a "shame on the players for being pissed off". This is shame on the event team for not planning an event properly.

It doesn't even matter who won.

Look at any other sport, competitive video game, or general event. If the rules change half-way through and a restart is called after the event ends, everyone is pissed. Not because they lost, not because they won. Because the situation was voided, effort was voided, and everyone involved are told "you did it wrong". Stop trying to pin this on the "two teams" and understand it was the organizers who messed it up.

You wouldn't have done better, nobody trying to pin it on the development team would've. Nobody would've foreseen the issues encountered until they happened. People talk like they're hot shit around here because it's cool to be better than whoever is in charge, and if you want to get some people together and form an event planning committee or other wonderful catch-all to proofread plans before implementation? You know what? I'm for it. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

[Xalrok]

9:45 PM] Durandal: 4:35 PM] Xalrok: To be honest, I don't really want to do these events any more.
[4:35 PM] Xalrok: I'm sick of the endless tirades and flak we get.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: I'll run them all myself if you need me to.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: We're almost through anyway.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: No point pulling out now.
[4:35 PM] Xalrok: We won't re-run the event.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: Move on to Gettysburg.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: Gallia won this time.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: You think we should.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: I assume?
[4:39 PM] Durandal: Don't know what I think.
[4:39 PM] Durandal: Not making any decisions about it tonight.
[4:39 PM] Xalrok: Well personally, I don't want to prolong these events any longer than we need to.
[4:40 PM] Durandal: I don't really want to talk right now. I feel like shit. I'm sorry.
[4:40 PM] Durandal: I'm tired of feeling sick all the time.
[4:40 PM] Xalrok: If this is how it's going to end, with people telling us to fuck ourselves and all that, I think we should get them out of the way.
[4:41 PM] Xalrok: Either that, take a real long hard look and seriously re-assess if this community is worth the effort we put into these events.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: I almost want to append that.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: But I won't,
[4:41 PM] Durandal: Because this needs to be from me as a player.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: Not from me as a dev.
[4:42 PM] Xalrok: Because we bust our asses trying to patch stuff in for them, you stay up longer than 24 hours, I put time into it that I could otherwise put into other things.
[4:42 PM] Xalrok: And we get told to go fuck ourselves, we're *******, etc.

[Cygnatt's Alt]

I wasn’t actually there but to be honest the real issue people are having here is that there was reason for a redo at all. An event was planned without thinking about how to make it fair and enjoyable, I read the original event post and messaged Steiner saying this will be over in 10 minutes a fighter will get the pod and be gone with nothing anyone can do about it. And with the exception of my amazing time prediction that seems to have been the result the first time around.

Really rules and restrictions should have been laid out in the original event post so everyone knew exactly was was okay and what was not okay. I understand what you’re saying about people giving up but you can’t really expect the side that under the original rules won to be happy about a “oh wait we made a mistake let’s try again”.

No offence intended to anyone who helped organise but I think the planning is the issue here. Saying that the losing side would have always complained because that’s what happens every event and we all just expect it now.

This. This is why.
The event wasn't planned through the way it should've been, and the fact that the staff had to retcon the BAF's victory in favor of fixing something they should've caught beforehand is what caused the entire BAF side's morale to drop.

This is pretty much how I felt as well. On a side note I found it particularly annoying as someone who was on the BAF side at Cardiff, and the Navy's side yesterday, that now, after the event had been won, was the time that the dev team suddenly decided to care about balance.

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[Saronsen]

[4:41 PM] Xalrok: Either that, take a real long hard look and seriously re-assess if this community is worth the effort we put into these events.

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[Thunderer]

We need to reinstate badass NPCs, remove restarts, stop nursing them like flowers. We've spoiled them too much. More Dark Souls and less Barbie World.

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[Connor]

You wouldn't have done better, nobody trying to pin it on the development team would've. Nobody would've foreseen the issues encountered until they happened. People talk like they're hot ***** around here because it's cool to be better than whoever is in charge, and if you want to get some people together and form an event planning committee or other wonderful catch-all to proofread plans before implementation? You know what? I'm for it. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

That's not the right attitude to have. You don't know how other people would have planned the event. Someone could have made a 10x better event whilst on the other hand someone could have made a 10x worse event. When planning these sort of events get the community involved so they can tell you what they want. An "event planning committee", as you put it, would be a great idea provided they were listened too and not shoved aside to follow a set plan. Set plans are bad and they need to be flexable.

Edit:

9:45 PM] Durandal: 4:35 PM] Xalrok: To be honest, I don't really want to do these events any more.
[4:35 PM] Xalrok: I'm sick of the endless tirades and flak we get.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: I'll run them all myself if you need me to.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: We're almost through anyway.
[4:35 PM] Durandal: No point pulling out now.
[4:35 PM] Xalrok: We won't re-run the event.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: Move on to Gettysburg.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: Gallia won this time.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: You think we should.
[4:36 PM] Xalrok: I assume?
[4:39 PM] Durandal: Don't know what I think.
[4:39 PM] Durandal: Not making any decisions about it tonight.
[4:39 PM] Xalrok: Well personally, I don't want to prolong these events any longer than we need to.
[4:40 PM] Durandal: I don't really want to talk right now. I feel like *****. I'm sorry.
[4:40 PM] Durandal: I'm tired of feeling sick all the time.
[4:40 PM] Xalrok: If this is how it's going to end, with people telling us to ***** ourselves and all that, I think we should get them out of the way.
[4:41 PM] Xalrok: Either that, take a real long hard look and seriously re-assess if this community is worth the effort we put into these events.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: I almost want to append that.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: But I won't,
[4:41 PM] Durandal: Because this needs to be from me as a player.
[4:41 PM] Durandal: Not from me as a dev.
[4:42 PM] Xalrok: Because we bust our asses trying to patch stuff in for them, you stay up longer than 24 hours, I put time into it that I could otherwise put into other things.
[4:42 PM] Xalrok: And we get told to go ***** ourselves, we're *******, etc.

If you can't be arsed to do it then move over and let someone else do it. You "coup" this community. You should deal with the outcomes.

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[Nepotu]

We need to reinstate badass NPCs, remove restarts, stop nursing them like flowers. We've spoiled them too much. More Dark Souls and less Barbie World.

Ye ^ and remove balance plugin

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[Loken]

I'm disappointed because I witnessed both parties today allow their actions to be defined by a predetermined decision that everyone was out to get them, nothing mattered, and that it isn't even worth it to try.

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[Caconym]

I wouldn't blame it all on the dev and event teams. Almost all of these events are first time runs, trying new things. It's impossible for them to foresee everything that's going to happen, and how things are going to be abused or not. Development and event-making is an iterative process; you never get things right the first time. I think the event team should at least be given props for making the event in the first place, and not just slapping another "go here and kill this" event here and there. That said, some things should definitely be improved for the next event, and the rules must be made more concrete.
Also, @Y'berg : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/407675070?t=00h15m12s | https://www.twitch.tv/videos/407675070?t=00h17m29s

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[Lusitano]

ok ok guys!!! mistakes were made so ... errare humanum est! so next time things can be made better ok?

now really ... ok nobody likes to lose but we cann't win. i know that some people here are very ... sensitive on the part of losing! but looks like there were some mistakes made, and the event didn't went well for all, so ... why not call this even null and next week, with the rules well explicit, do another?