Player Warned: The Republic Of Liberty

[St.Denis]

The Republic Of Liberty has been warned for:

0.0 The intent behind these rules are for everyone to be excellent to one another, and to use common sense. Consider the people around you. Keep fair play in mind.

Consequences:

This is pertaining to a Base that was built legally, had its payments accept (including having its 'one-time' payment accepted) and has been in its position for approximately 8 months. You accepted the transfer of the Base to another 'party' and then, suddenly, 3 weeks later you demand that the new Owners have to move their Base at least 5k away.

POBs are only moved when they are impacted by Dev changes to Systems, therefore this is unacceptable behaviour from an amalgamation of OF Leaders to demand someone move their Base or suffer the consequences.

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[SnakThree]

Well it seems to me that owner changing from 5th| Fleet to some random mercenaries is very important change in POB's direction when it is built so close to DSE and LPI property.

On top of that, being good sports and actually posting "ownership transfer acknowledged" is now basis to be warned for discussing and coming up with decision after some time.

On top of that, it seems to be no actual factual rules that were broken in asking the station to be moved when the situation has changed whether by system changes or ownership changes.

I call bullshit on this.

EDIT:

Can you have straight face and tell me that there were no POBs moved when system changes didn't impact them? Like Aland for example.

Or that IFF changes has never happened, like Houston International (currently Universal POB in Texas, previously "Platinum Incorporated" DSE POB in Alberta).

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[Arbs]

As an advisor in Libgov, I have to say that this is a special case for us. We treat every POB matter on a case-by-case basis. And this one is werid because it's moving ownership from 5th fleet, an official navy faction, to a indie group of a mercenary fighter squadron that we've never heard of before.

Originally the base was built and licensed by 5th Fleet. 5th Fleet is an Official Faction with a military function in Liberty. This is an important factor when considering POB requests in regards to their locations.

When a POB is owned by an Official faction, and in this case with a military purpose as well, it is allowed in good faith to be nearby stations and orbitals as it were. The reason why it is asked to re-locate, is because a civilian owned POB would never be allowed to be constructed into that location in the first place. Cause frankly the owner in this case is a mercenary fighter squadron, that we have no previous history with and therefore not much confidence in permitting a POB presence in the middle of key section in NY.

POB ownership change is an OORP matter as far as we know, same as selling a ship on the forums market. And Libgov has had no say in this transaction and was merely informed about in that inRP correspondence. This is why it was requested to be moved only 3 weeks later.

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[St.Denis]

Good afternoon.

5th is an Official Faction of Liberty
Then, we would assume, they are part of the Liberty Government.
Would it not have been prudent if the Members of the Government talk to each other? ie. We want to sell our Base, have you got a problem with it?
Or, have an understanding about OFs allowance in building POBs with a set of Rules of what can/cannot be done if they are no longer needed.

Was the new buyer ever informed, beforehand, that the LG would not be happy with its location?
From what we can see, it came out of the blue and with a communication of conform or suffer the consequences (my knowledge of consequences, is it usually ends up in a destroyed Base). We have no idea how much was paid of the Base, but this could end up with some poor soul out of pocket and very upset.

This suggests a lack of communication between the 'Rulers' of Liberty.

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[SnakThree]

It was Bellck who owned the station under 5th's banner. He later on threw a fit, got yanked out of LibGov and other Liberty factions, then sold the station all without communicating it with LibGov. Then, I made a message that we noticed the change of ownership, which was misunderstood as 100% approval. Which is evident to not be the case as within reasonable timeframe decision was made to simply ask POB to be moved 5 clicks away which does not seem to be something so horrible that would warrant warning.

If you are assuming so much without knowing anything, then it is rather inconvenient to pass judgement without hearing the other side. it is absolutely different story when POB is owned by official LibForces and is allowed to be built in such location under this premise. When ownership is changed (which LibGov can't prohibit, as this is absolutely ooRP matter), we simply reevaluated the situation and came to new solution that should be reasonable for everyone involved.

This is great example of fair play and you are warning us under the rule that it was not fair. As if reevaluating changed circumstances inRP is no longer allowed.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge (HA!) that there have been cases of POBs being moved WITHOUT system changes? This is a great precedence (Falster POB being moved in Omega-3 without any mining changes) to improve gameplay. And this here is smooth flow of RP that you are punishing with warning instead of serving the community in enabling continuation of said RP.

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[Ice Princess]

Okay so here is the story of the PoB. Several months ago when the P.Scrap field got moved to New York, Bellck came to me with the idea to move his PoB, don't remember the name but it was something around German Market Place, into New York as a 5th PoB to build equipment for the faction with a small side income of selling P.Scrap. The deal was that he gets the first billion Credits because he paid for the license and after that, most of it goes onto our faction bank. I also told him that he has to solve the problem with the IFF. I only approved the faction-PoB WHEN the IFF gets changed too. I don't need a Navy PoB with Freelancer IFF but our glorious server rules prohibit the IFF change for whatever reason. After several talks with the staff about the PoB I just stopped caring because nothing came out of it.

Fact is that the deal I had with Bellck never got fulfilled, I've seen not a single credit on the factions bank from it.
Fact is that the PoB was sold behind the factions back. And yes, I've done nothing to prevent it because I couldn't. After all, it was his PoB and the agreement was done on Discord. Since the Staff doesn't take Discord-evidence, it was void for me.

TL: DR :

I approved the PoB as a 5th PoB when:

- Bellck solves the paperwork.
- The faction benefits from its existance.
Nothing of that happened.

Next time something like this happens and I notice it, I will post a Siege Dec to destroy my factions PoB. Lesson learned.