Deterrence OF application

[Groshyr]

Ignore this feedback just keep playing the game.

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Don't worry DTR, most of this people here complaining about ganks, are the ones who are ganking 24/7 xD

Just continue your way, if your ganks were harming the gameplay that much, people wouldn't log against you. And the people not logging against you, are the ones crying in your feedback thread.

Have a nice day

Agree with every word written by Lambda.

[Hatemastyle26]

Alright, feedback time from the K'Hara| side:

I personally witnessed this battle while cloaked. What I saw was horrible: You basically didn't give your opponent a fair fight. Two times, I repeat, two times. One in Delta and one in Xi, all on the same day. It was painful and cringey to see a whole fleet of caps chasing after a group of snubs.

Honestly I would say, even though you do a good job with forum RP, you just need to learn how fair fights are played. You don't shove caps in a pure snub brawl and expect an easy victory. In reality, this will only force the snubs to complain about your actions. I myself didn't bother to fight because I knew a whole fleet of cruisers would come for me.

And also there were several indies who probably were new. I'd honestly expect you to tell them to stay away if they are not flying a snub. Instead you just acted jokingly which of course doesn't help in a fight.

- From one of the K'Hara| Advisors

i Was In That Groupe Trying to see What They Will do .... The only THing THey have are Numbers and -10 in skill
In delta +10 vs 2 And u Puted Down like 2 of them ..... in XI like 20 vs 5 and still nothing ..... The first and the last time playing With them ....... bunch of toxic players

Cool opinion. Next time when 2/5 players go to interract with 10/20 guys on a planned public event I suggest DTR instantly stops their planned activity, split their 20 person group into 4 subgroups of 5, switch to attacking team ship class and interract with even force. So much unfairness of them that 20 persons didn't stopped what they were doing for 5 guys coming to ruin the fun oh, and if mr. Bahahas logs, would also be cool that at least one of DTR guys switch to a trader, so senor Bahahas can uncloak and blow something up, as per his customs.

[xenomorph]

Alright, feedback time from the K'Hara| side:

I personally witnessed this battle while cloaked. What I saw was horrible: You basically didn't give your opponent a fair fight. Two times, I repeat, two times. One in Delta and one in Xi, all on the same day. It was painful and cringey to see a whole fleet of caps chasing after a group of snubs.

Honestly I would say, even though you do a good job with forum RP, you just need to learn how fair fights are played. You don't shove caps in a pure snub brawl and expect an easy victory. In reality, this will only force the snubs to complain about your actions. I myself didn't bother to fight because I knew a whole fleet of cruisers would come for me.

And also there were several indies who probably were new. I'd honestly expect you to tell them to stay away if they are not flying a snub. Instead you just acted jokingly which of course doesn't help in a fight.

- From one of the K'Hara| Advisors

K'Hara has the audacity to complain about uneven numbers. Haven't seen this level of hypocrisy in a while.

I strongly dislike this trend where everyone seeks to deliver some feedback in such a way to undermine a passionate faction.

DTR, keep it up.

[Kauket]

I'm not gonna reply to the yes-men of the faction because they have no experience or apparent cognitive autonomy. Because they only care if it happens to them and not anyone else.

dissected points

We were preparing for a raid in Omicron Major.

People aren't psychic and are not in the DTR Discord. I did not personally know what was going on until I arrived to see a load of ships piling onto a Core Crecy.

Even then, dying will mean nothing - you can still goto Major. Most people may allow you to pass through the system you died in if you PM them.

, which we didn't because all the players decided to waste their PvP lives before we hit Major. When our caps, which definitely weren't equipped for fighting snubs on the DTR- tagged part, tried to flea - they got CD'd.

Your snubs could have docked on the caps and simply left too.

Also, the caps never tried to leave. They were constantly trying to EK onto people, that is why they were CD'd. They never turned to leave. If they were trying to leave, they would have left the fighters in peace. The icing on top was probably the repair ship also engaging in the fight to repair people lmao.

You could've chosen to relog caps, we would've let you. But you stayed in the fight as snubs and suffered the obvious consequences. Kudos.

I don't have any Omicron caps except a Marduk. Even then, it means NOTHING because you would have still dumped 13~ people onto 1 sole BS. As you did to that random RHA indie in Xi.

All I see in this post is just excuses for persuading yourself with reasons to bash other players on the premise of them being a part of a faction demographic. Which was pretty much just confirmed by the attitude of some of your members, as you saw in your own discord.

Why is it so hard to have a fair fight in this game? It's this kind of attitude, rushing into the line of fire in complete disregard of the situation, with zero coordination, that makes you salty. You see a fleet gathering, call your friends to gather a counter fleet. Don't start pewing mindlessly expecting to be satisfied with the result.

There were no other people to call because they straight up think you're too shitty to deal with (their direct opinion, not mine. ), or that other people were busy/unavailable. Two people can be coordinated, but it doesn't mean jack if there's 13~~ people hounding onto people. You piled the Core Crecy. You piled the RHA BS random. You piled everyone that day. I attacked in both fights so that opposition had some chance against the horde of individuals, and I knew it wasn't going to go well because of my dying hdd - so I really don't care about pvp death - but it was still a chance to help people have some relief regardless.

People don't know what your intentions are, and from the playerlist, it simply looked like you were raiding Delta. In hindsight, perhaps they were right to opt to not interact with your faction at all. I have seen nothing but pure spite from the faction members to the point where it is all they just "RP" ingame. All RP attempts I have seen have either been some thinly veiled discord opinion or just low effort/disinterested actions.

I have been blamed for things I wasn't even online for. I did not opt to say anything in hopes of the faction changing, I gave the benefit of the doubt to allow for change, I didn't report all rule violations. But it's been a few months, and nothing has changed at all attitude wise or even gameplay wise.

Like I said previously. I don't care if you have +3 snubs, because I know you guys aren't great at snub pvp, but shoving +10 caps onto people is just pure overkill. The Xi fight could have been an interesting free for all but yall decided to bring caps instead of snubs.

I really don't care about your excuses. Just ensure this never happens again. Especially against random players who seem to be new or oblivious as to whats going on. You wouldn't like it if someone piled 12 people onto 2 of you either.
(Not that I can find 12 people who would be interested anyway. )

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Allow me to iterate the point one last time, since people keep missing it. You are attacking random people blinded by the assumption that you are getting revenge on someone who they are not. This is not OK. This is how you drive people off the server.

The bottom line is that I know you're going to always mistreat me - so I'm not gonna bother with arguing with you, or the blatant lying you try to justify yourselves with, to change your mentality towards me, but it is incredibly unacceptable that you are also lashing out on other people who have 0 association with me. You only contribute to an inevitable loop of "oh they deserved it. "

I won't tolerate random community members being bullied by this cult-like behaviour of "us vs them". The world does not revolve around you. People do not know what you are thinking or doing. Respect other players, because they are not NPCs.

Whether you take this in as reflection or not is entirely up to you. The consequences are of your own doing. Perhaps some of your members should try playing other factions for perspectives, rather than everyone being on one team all the entire. It warps your point of view to be with the same people forever.

[Ravenna Nagash]

I think some people are being needlessly but very strongly emotional for something that can be resolved logically and quite easily.

As a general point, I continue to be baffled by a few arguments being brought to our attention - that we use our numbers to our advantage.

1) If you see that the enemy have clearly numerological advantage - why would you attack with the certainty and expectation that your enemy would not use that? How is that RP-sound? We are all trying to RP in here right?

2) Why do you expect us to always limit our numbers but not yourselves? We've done so in the past - give the enemy a fair fight which nets the enemy kills, until said enemies then log more people and now we are suddenly at a huge disadvantage. Why would we constantly limit ourselves tactically? I've seen plenty of times when people have attacked us without any problem while having more ships than we do.

3) Why are you only accounting for numbers and not accounting for player skill which is actually the most important factor when determining battle fairness? I've seen people boast freely that they can take on 4-5 DTRs single-handedly without a problem. In fact, I've also seen plenty of times people take on many of us and win due to combat inexperience. I am not sure why this is never brought up in this conversation.

4) Why are you expecting from DTR to be constantly a match-making service for you? It's a real battle, and battle is often chaotic.

I am not even going to talk about tech advantage because that will get even murkier but no one seems to mention that.

First time I've logged into this game in several months, honestly, this was the most depressing way to get to know what DTR is. 4 or 5 snubs against other snubs and a handful of anti-snub caps.

DTR was not fighting aces either (me not included as I joined in at the very, very end and left just as quickly after I realized what an actual sh

itshow it was.), so that excuse does not work out well for you. Don't pull the "bro this faction full of newbies (:". Whether new or old, people should know that such odds aren't fun for anyone. The people that got piled would have given DTR snubs a fair fight, however, they got spat in their faces by a disgusting show of sportsmanship.

All in all, I honestly believe this faction does not deserve any possibility of being an official faction if it will behave. I will just leave a passing comment by some random person from in-game.

[20.03.2022 22:24:08] Hitman-97: wtf... 12 DTR's against 5

Please see the above points in regards to your argument. People freely engage us as well with higher numbers. Should I comment every time people attack us when they have more numbers?

Would it kill you to not shove caps into snub fights? Twice, in a row, today.

First fight, you had about 3-4 snubs, which was absolutely more than necessary to take down a heavy bomber and medium bomber. But you kept on insisting on using caps on said bombers. Sure. They attacked in a group fight, but the other enemy cap(...s? ) had died. You could have pulled some off.

I would have partially disregarded it until later today, where your lot decided you'd rather have caps in snub fights. There could have been a mixed brawl, but apparently it was entirely necessary to shove even more caps onto 4 enemies. And not to mention the low-key abusing the docking modules to get infinite repairs because of funny rule loopholes.

I've seen other factions having restraint, why can't you show any? You could have slightly ganked with fighters, that would have been fine. But shoving 14 people onto 2 people with every ship class in the game AND then having the gall to hug said caps?

Come on now, you wept for fun and fairness and then proceed to do this without remorse, do you really think those 2 Core/OC Destroyers deserved an armada of bricks? I don't think you have the right to complain about fairness after doing that twice in a row.

Even that poor random lone RHA BS got swarmed. What is wrong with you.

I am sorry if you had a bad experience, but the above points are also very much relevant to your argument as well. Additionally, as mentioned by other people, we had an event. We can't magically change our entire organization, fleet composition, and plans to accommodate your game-play in an instant. Don't you think that's a bit unreasonable for you to expect so?

You've never mentioned any issues before so I'm a bit surprised at this sudden call-out. You can't have alleged constant issues with us for months, never raise them to me and expect some kind of action really. It doesn't work that way unfortunately, but I am very eager to catch up with you and dissect the issues and work on them together.

DTR doesn't exist to play with others, just themselves. 45 days of activity and almost all of it is missions/pve zones/afk group jerk-off session

It'd be best for you to just let them do their thing, since clearly they don't want to interact with you besides dog piles.

Communication is a two-way street. You can always approach us and we can organize an event or anything really. We've organized plenty of stuff with our other enemies. If you've never talked to us or approached us, what did you expect? Also what now, we are being criticized for actually using gameplay loops within a game? I really can't take this comment seriously to be honest.

Cool opinion. Next time when 2/5 players go to interract with 10/20 guys on a planned public event I suggest DTR instantly stops their planned activity, split their 20 person group into 4 subgroups of 5, switch to attacking team ship class and interract with even force. So much unfairness of them that 20 persons didn't stopped what they were doing for 5 guys coming to ruin the fun oh, and if mr. Bahahas logs, would also be cool that at least one of DTR guys switch to a trader, so senor Bahahas can uncloak and blow something up, as per his customs.

Pretty much this. It's difficult to organize something and then suddenly having to accommodate everyone else according to their exact specifications.

Perhaps some of your members should try playing other factions for perspectives, rather than everyone being on one team all the entire. It warps your point of view to be with the same people forever.

Plenty of DTR players has since moved on from only DTR and are playing other factions - some in Liberty, some in Gallia, some have even created their own factions themselves. They are free to do so. I do not overlord over every DTR member and people are free to choose what and how they want to play the game.

In general, I think this situation is quite blown out of proportions and people are quite emotive rather than logical.

We are, always have, and always will be open to RP, events, and interacting with other factions. You only need to ask or approach. We've said it many times - if you want a coordinated event with equal numbers, you are free to talk to us. We can even create stakes or consequences for said events.

Here's an example:

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=191275

Also anyone has any issues with my members or with faction conduct, my door is always open. Let's have a conversation and discuss it, share context and understanding from both sides. It's serves a much better purpose than causing a public drama for all to see. Such actions generally do disservice for everyone because it creates the antagonistic view over an entire faction or so called hive-mind mentality that X as a group is bad altogether. Such blanket statements are never useful if you truly want things to improve or for you to be heard and your point actually actioned upon.

Unfortunately, I am at work right now so that's all I can say on the matter for the time-being. Will reply to all Discord messages as soon my shift is done.

Have a pleasant day everyone.

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[Stewgar]

Not picking sides here, but I do have a question. Was there an attempt by DTR to message or alert the folks that were coming around the DTR fleet that you guys are doing an event?

Reason I ask is I for one do not spend all day on the forum or Discord, I don't know if factions are holding events even if they announced it in public. However, most in this community will leave you alone if you announce to them that you are trying to do something. There are exceptions, yes there are. But if you've given warning and you are still harassed, then I agree that all 15 or however many ships in your fleet have full justice to rain hell.

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I hope that either all of us or none of us are judged by the actions of our weakest moments. But rather, by the strength we show when, and if, we're ever given a second chance.

[James Greed]

Not picking sides here, but I do have a question. Was there an attempt by DTR to message or alert the folks that were coming around the DTR fleet that you guys are doing an event?

Reason I ask is I for one do not spend all day on the forum or Discord, I don't know if factions are holding events even if they announced it in public. However, most in this community will leave you alone if you announce to them that you are trying to do something. There are exceptions, yes there are. But if you've given warning and you are still harassed, then I agree that all 15 or however many ships in your fleet have full justice to rain hell.

Does "incoming torpedo" count as a warning

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[Elvinos2003]

Does "incoming torpedo" count as a warning

XDDD

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[Mark_Brown]

Had no qualms with you guys, other than I hear you're very good at defending your fleet.

Good luck with the OF application.
Bellck.

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[Stewgar]

Does "incoming torpedo" count as a warning

I'm not sure if this is a meme that I have missed or what. But that sounds like what the problem is here. Too much posturing and assumptions. I know it's hard for some people here, but just talk to people.

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