Deterrence OF application

[Darius]

I may be a bit out of the loop, but who the hell has the numbers to gank such a faction? (and before you come here crying, as that's apparently the speciality here: no, just because a player can pull off 1 v 2+ doesn't mean he ganked you or something)

I also find it pretty ironic that you of all people comment about fairness when I have myself acquired the honor of getting 3 (or more) DTR on my lone caps several times.

[Groshyr]

Walls of text of people complaining about each other instead of, you know, making RP, meeting in game, etc... Really?

[Ravenna Nagash]

Or would you prefer it to be sent in a hermetically sealed container?

You can send it to my bell-boy with a latte machiatto please.

Ought to make sure the OF creation thread remains pristine.

Don't you worry my friend, we have regular residents in this thread who seem intent on moving the goal-post on a regular basis. As the saying goes, I offer them money, they'll play the man of honor and take umbrage. I will ask them to do what is right and they'll play the brigand.

You know, the place that helps out the badmins to see what you lot are up to. If you don't mind, I'll look past that PR paragraph.

If you can't deal with or address an argument, why mention it at all?

Starting to resemble the usual feedback threads. I'm always right, done nothing wrong, here's a soyjak. Gotcha.

Didn't address my point. Also false equivalence. Has nothing to do with the topic.

Classic argument of "I RP with guns."

You didn't refute my argument or address it. Also your somehow ridiculous comeback has literally nothing to do logically with what I said. But I'll play along. Even if I was to accept your premise, it's absolutely clear as day that we give blues on a regular basis. More so than probably any other group currently on the server. We've held multiple events, two of which public, and one of which with real RP consequence for us and we've lost both public events. We lose battles on a regular basis. Your comment is absolute nonsense and the evidence is abundantly clear in this thread and even supported passionately from our enemies. Nothing more to add here really, as it's clear as day.

Hope you can see how that one sounds now. I admit, it is problematic to balance such a fight. That however requires you to try balancing it, and not just say "we did it" while solaris cruisers rain down on lone bombers/snubs.

That's a two way street and it requires communication.

Please enlighten me about that one. I'm sure it'll be a knee slapper.

I don't need to really. If you agree with the rest of my propositions, which you state that you do, then you have the rationale for what we do and why we do it.

As mentioned publicly, we are more than happy to host an event with equal numbers to make other factions that are our enemies happy. This is public knowledge by now and has been for awhile.

The real knee slapper for me was the ''actual pseudo-seriousness'' phrase, gave me a good chuckle.

There is nothing emotional with witnessing DTR going to gangbang some random dude in a BS who stands 0 chance AT ALL, even with help. You're going to harm the playerbase by demotivating people if you keep it up. That is a fact. Tone it down.

I am sorry but that's comedy gold statement right there. This server has been decaying in terms of player base long before DTR showed up at all. And to claim that the most newbie friendly faction on the server is harming and demotivating, or making people quit the game is absolutely hysterical. One look at the OF checks or relevant data will tell you that or even player count and faction activity. I mean the data is visible for people to see.

How can the Corsairs afford to waste so much fuel on fighters? Corsairs are meant to be formidable fighter pilots. Why are they running? Why are they dishonoring Corsair values? Why would they prefer capital

I am not sure what are you basing your argument on in terms of us running away. As evidenced by our enemies as well on this thread, we provide blues constantly. Just so I don't rinse-repeat the same argument, see my previous points above. To claim DTR wins every fight because of numbers or we win even regularly is again just ludacris. Even on the occasions that we do win, we usually lose a bunch of people due our fleet coordination still being trained, way more than we should. This is clearly visible to all.

Last coordinated public event we hosted, we lost without getting a single kill if memory serves me correctly or maybe we got 1 person. So honestly, this argument is just nuts.

I've always limited numbers where I can and I certainly not have sent 12 people onto 2 nor 5. And balancing around capital gameplay is always difficult. How the FUCK are you supposed to balance VERY HEAVY FIGHTERS against a group of BATTLESHIPS? Are you insane?

Here's a novel, bold, and radical idea. Maybe don't engage a battle group? I really don't get this mentality that some players seem to have. ''I am going to engage and attack an entire battle group, talk trash or whatever, and then when I get mopped, I come and complain I didn't get a fair fight.''

Worth mentioning is that we do not control indie Corsairs or Corsairs from other affiliations. That fact often seems glossed I've noticed even though quite often DTR flies together with indies.

I am all for fairness and that jazz but as already mentioned - people's idea about fairness only seems to encompass the numbers. Nobody seems to be concerned about player skill level, tech being used. And again, the numbers seem to only apply to us. But everyone else is fair game in terms of using it.

It isn't a match making game, but have you ever considered any sort of sportsmanship? "real battle" ... It's a game. This isn't a war, what are you on about. Other players, so far I've witnessed this year, can offer relief and pull some people off.

As stated multiple times, we are more than happy to accommodate and host an equal numbers event like we've done with our other enemies. We can even attach RP or actual consequences to it. I don't know how much more sportsmanship one can get than that. But if we are being real honest, it's likely that we'll lose as you can get some vets on your side and whip us because we probably have maybe 3 players in DTR who are competent in PvP on an equal footing. And guess what, I am fine with that.

I have had them for ages and some people know I have been a bit vocal in other chats. I don't care.

I am sorry but I don't know how I can help you in this case. I can't do anything for you if you don't raise problems so I am not exactly sure how you can hold that against us.

I do not care for these mental gymnastics of "what aboutisms" and "im never wrong" attitudes. I don't care.

Why should I care about you or your perspective then?

What I care about, is how you're treating people and willingness to do something new so that the game can be fun.

I've previously mentioned that I am happy to discuss the root cause analysis, what the problem is, we can do RP event on an equal numbers, and what are possible solutions and how we can do things better.

What else do you want from me? Disband DTR? Sacrifice a lamb for you?

Oh, and for reference, I barely interact with DTR as is on the server.

If you barely interact with us at all, then how do you have issues with us allegedly for over months? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

I'm speaking up about it because no one else will.

Please don't make yourself into a martyr. We are not the evil empire in this universe. (yet ) In fact, if I recall correctly, you literally used our numbers to supply your PoB that was getting sieged. And we did that for you for no cost on top of it all. We made an internal group event to help you. You seem to have conveniently forgotten.

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[Darius]

One can't meet in-game when the opposition we're currently discussing with is hellbent on throwing infinite numbers of caps at anyone setting foot in their ZOI.

Edit: Replied to Groshyr, but text wall buried this. RIP.

[Groshyr]

One can't meet in-game when the opposition we're currently discussing with is hellbent on throwing infinite numbers of caps at anyone setting foot in their ZOI.

Edit: Replied to Groshyr, but text wall buried this. RIP.

Then gather your own infinite number of caps and drop on them, see who have more caps

[Sarwar]

Then gather your own infinite number of caps and drop on them, see who have more caps

+1

[Ravenna Nagash]

One can't meet in-game when the opposition we're currently discussing with is hellbent on throwing infinite numbers of caps at anyone setting foot in their ZOI.

You shouldn't have a problem with us by your estimation.

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[Darius]

Very cool arguments. I certainly still agree with my statement, but I was more referring to the other players when asking why such behavior (aka goin' in guns blazing on everything, no matter what the enemy brings) is allowed.

[Megaera]

4 pages of drama since I posted here yesterday and gigantic walls of excuses.

Thing that is missing here is abit of self reflection.
Obviously alot of people don't like interacting with DTR. The only people who can change this is DTR.
You want to be official, but I see you people have a hard time swallowing legit feedback and using it to improve the encounters. Who cares if you win or lose in this game. The thing is, its all or nothing to you. Being not as skilled as someone else doesnt mean you have to make it impossible by throwing everyone and their hamster at them.

I read you were going to raid major. That is fine. But it also shows little to no versatility when faced with other players. You could have held back several of your ships, while a part of the fleet engaged, to at least gave the other side a slight chance. That would have made a huge difference already. It is simply a matter of adjusting yourself to the game environment. The fact that you had 15 people on your side doesnt mean that you have to use them. It is simply a small courtesy to the opposing side. The game environment isn't static. It changes. Learn to not bulldozer over everyone you see just because you can.

I can never win against Wesker. Yet Wesker gives me fun fights, so even though I lose against him every time, I keep fighting him. Right now you push literally everyone from your faction instead of learning. DTR is really isolating itself, even against random indies that had no previous encounters with you. That is not what an OF is or does.

An OFs main purpose is to represent their faction in a broad gaming world, yet DTR only exists for DTR. The gaming world exists for them. They are the protagonists and they treat all other players like NPCs.

The majority of DTR is just a PVE farming gathering. There are several people in your faction that know what they are doing, but the majority from my experience is just a gathering of indies with a tag. There is only like 4 or 5 people who actually do roleplay and use the forums. The rest of them are just filler material. Nothing wrong with this, but that is not what an OF is.

My last feedback post (besides the one from yesterday) was 5 months ago. There has been little improvement since.

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[Kauket]

If you barely interact with us at all, then how do you have issues with us allegedly for over months? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Because I didn't shove those log times into a singular month?

Please don't make yourself into a martyr. We are not the evil empire in this universe. (yet ) In fact, if I recall correctly, you literally used our numbers to supply your PoB that was getting sieged. And we did that for you for no cost on top of it all. We made an internal group event to help you. You seem to have conveniently forgotten.

It was not my POB. I was doing that on the behalf of someone who had irl time.

I am sorry but that's comedy gold statement right there. This server has been decaying in terms of player base long before DTR showed up at all. And to claim that the most newbie friendly faction on the server is harming and demotivating, or making people quit the game is absolutely hysterical.

It's still decaying, whether you are here or not. It only makes it sadder that the supposed pinnacle of newbie friendliness is band wagoning onto some lone BS player.

Here's a novel, bold, and radical idea. Maybe don't engage a battle group?

I did specify this 'battlegroup' was infact the reinforcement. These people logged into the game. They chose to log caps instead of fighters.

This was the start of the odd interaction - which you know, happens to turn out to something like this.

What else do you want from me? Disband DTR? Sacrifice a lamb for you?

To be better in the future. Did I say you should start punishing people?

I'm not gonna answer everything because like I said, ain't gonna go anywhere - especially when people aren't reading into the posts and it will be typical feedback forum pvp, which its already regressed to.

Is it too much to ask for some consideration? I'm not asking you to disband. I'm simply asking you to be better for the future.


You can have more fighters in a fight to balance it out for skill. I don't mind and maybe others shouldnt. But please, I don't want to see 12 people jumping onto some lone dude in a BS like that again. And I certainly don't think it's good rep to try your best to excuse overkilling people.

It's fine to compensate for skill levels. Do not go overkill.

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