Deterrence OF application

[Ravenna Nagash]

4 pages of drama since I posted here yesterday and gigantic walls of excuses.

You seem to categorize arguments as excuses implying that something wrong was done.

Obviously alot of people don't like interacting with DTR.

That's quite the anecdotal stretch.

You want to be official, but I see you people have a hard time swallowing legit feedback and using it to improve the encounters. Who care if you win or lose in this game, but the thing is, its all or nothing. Being not as skilled as someone else doesnt mean you have to make it impossible by throwing everyone and their hamster at them.

That statement is literally incongruent with reality or with our track record. Maybe approach us for an event or something organized. I did actually approach you for an event myself, didn't get a response from you. Have yet to receive anything.



It's also quite funny because you are the one actually that accused us of RP-ing with ourselves.

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[Major.]

It's time to stop to answer on such garbage feedback, trust me, they want you just to suffer now.

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[Ravenna Nagash]

I'm simply asking you to be better for the future.

Would you like us to organize an event between us and Auxo with equal numbers and some RP consequences? What is it that you want from me specifically as actual action points? I am happy to chat with you in Discord.

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[Kauket]

I want you to be a bit self conscious with everyone. Not with me.

Imagine yourself in their boots. Be a bit pragmatic with encounters, you don't have to dogpile absolutely everything.

Yes, some people may be cocky and actively try to provoke you. By all means, if they force your hand, so be it.

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[Megaera]

You seem to categorize arguments as excuses implying that something wrong was done.

If nothing wrong was done, we wouldn't be here, would we? This is exactly what I mean with the lack of self reflection. You try to talk right what other people find problematic. That is one way to deal with it, but you can also just learn from the input from the people who don't agree with you.

That's quite the anecdotal stretch.

Perhaps. But you only need look at the feedback and the actual numbers of people who play the game to see that the number is growing.

That statement is literally incongruent with reality or with our track record. Maybe approach us for an event or something organized. I did actually approach you for an event myself, didn't get a response from you. Have yet to receive anything.



It's also quite funny because you are the one actually that accused us of RP-ing with ourselves.

I didn't comments on events. Maybe they are really good, I can't comment on those. I am personally more someone who just logs ingame and flies around till I find some random encounters. I am less focussed on planned stuff as most of our players have RL things and different timezones. I just ping people in my chat who feels like logging or call for backup when needed. Events have little priority for me right now.

I commented on the lack of adjusting to ingame occurences that aren't planned. most ingame stuff isn't preplanned, so you need to be able to balance sides on short notice. It is the lack of restraint that my feedback was about.

And yes I did accuse you of the self-RP and I stand behind my words at the time. I haven't noticed you doing this afterwards, so kudos on that. But that is not what my recent feedback is about.

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Megaera - Ishikawa Masako
Feedback - Data Storage - Birth of a goddess

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[Ravenna Nagash]

If nothing wrong was done, we wouldn't be here, would we?

That implies the assumption of guilty before proven otherwise or that all feedback is genuine and justified.

That is one way to deal with it, but you can also just learn from the input from the people who don't agree with you.

I am happy to accommodate feedback and incorporate actual action points. I am also similarly happy to take ownership when there are legitimate issues to be fixed.

But you only need look at the feedback and the actual numbers of people who play the game to see that the number is growing.

As our faction is growing so is the likelihood of upsetting more people, which is natural. Similarly, more people seem to have positive interactions with us. That's natural progression of any organization that's steadily growing.

An OFs main purpose is to represent their faction in a broad gaming world, yet DTR only exists for DTR. The gaming world exists for them. They are the protagonists and they treat all other players like NPCs.

You seem to make statements such as the above, but when asked to RP or to do an event with us on fair grounds, you can't be bothered to reply back. I am just calling you out for your hypocrisy. Simple as that.

I want you to be a bit self conscious with everyone. Not with me.

Imagine yourself in their boots. Be a bit pragmatic with encounters, you don't have to dogpile absolutely everything.

Yes, some people may be cocky and actively try to provoke you. By all means, if they force your hand, so be it.

I am happy to pick this up with you via Discord in one of the following days and have a chat if you would like and discuss some action points.

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Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.

[Megaera]

That implies the assumption of guilty before proven otherwise or that all feedback is genuine and justified.

Well the ganks happened. Got plenty of witnesses to that as this feedback has attested. You can choose to ignore it or do something about it. Being a proper leader means taking responsibility and improving as you go along.

I am happy to accommodate feedback and incorporate actual action points. I am also similarly happy to take ownership when there are legitimate issues to be fixed.

You can't make changes unless you start aknowledging the flaws. Right now you deflect and evade. The things brought up here seem like legitimate issues to me. You may think otherwise.

As our faction is growing so is the likelihood of upsetting more people, which is natural. Similarly, more people seem to have positive interactions with us. That's natural progression of any organization that's steadily growing.

This is also flawed thinking. Positive reactions do not invalidate the negative ones. Is it not important to also considder those who don't agree with your point of view?

You seem to make statements such as the above, but when asked to RP or to do an event with us on fair grounds, you can't be bothered to reply back. I am just calling you out for your hypocrisy. Simple as that.

Again. The game world does entail more than DTR. The fact that you call me a hypocrit for having an actual life and job is just crazy. I don't play this game to satisfy your ego. Contrary to your personal beliefs, you are not as important as you think you are. I did play against DTR on other ships in the meantime and got piled on every single time.

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Matriarch Of the Gen'an Chrysanthemums - Ishikawa Aya
Gen'an Cell Information - Recruitment - Communications Network

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Megaera - Ishikawa Masako
Feedback - Data Storage - Birth of a goddess

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[Matthews]

I'm going to be honest, i wasn't there for whatever it was that caused this forumlancer. Well, i was there just before, untill my lack of fighting-experience got me killed in a 1v1

I'm just going to give some advice from on old-timer from long ago, who's just pocking his nose back in again. Maybe it's nostalgia talking, i don't know.
This isn't adressed at DTR in particular, but everyone, as i get the impression, emotions are running high.

There is a saying in German: "Wie man in den Wald hinein ruft, so kommt es zurück." Broadly translated: "Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated".

There are always going to be people, who look out only for themselves, who are going to gank every enemy they see and don't give a chance for a fair fight. God knows i've met many of them myself. However the majority of players back in the day were always looking out for all sides, trying to make PvP an enjoyable side of the game for everyone. Because they knew, next time it might be them on the other side of the nurmical advantage and that we're ALL part of ONE community.
In my mind, this is what made this game/mod great, and it surely is, what makes me comming back to this day.

Me personally, I always try to give people a fair fight. Even though i stand no chance in hell. But I only know too well, how it feels to be ganked by 2/3 times your numbers. It just demotivates everyone.

I suggest, everyone take a step back, calm down and treat others like you'd want to be treated. In a PvP scenario and outside. Or don't, but don't be surprised when the next time, you're on the oppising side. Because not everyone is able to forgive and forget.

My two cents, take 'em or leave 'em, they're well meant.

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[Czechmate]

I may be a bit out of the loop, but who the hell has the numbers to gank such a faction? (and before you come here crying, as that's apparently the speciality here: no, just because a player can pull off 1 v 2+ doesn't mean he ganked you or something)

I also find it pretty ironic that you of all people comment about fairness when I have myself acquired the honor of getting 3 (or more) DTR on my lone caps several times.

You have been constantly bragging everywhere how killing DTR is easy and how they give you no challenge. And then you whine when they use numbers? It's early, can you please explain the logic ?

[Schxer]

So to sum it up

This server has been decaying in terms of player base long before DTR showed up at all. And to claim that the most newbie friendly faction on the server is harming and demotivating, or making people quit the game is absolutely hysterical. One look at the OF checks or relevant data will tell you that or even player count and faction activity. I mean the data is visible for people to see.

DTR, a faction that's been raising player activity, drops 10 ships on a lone BS it's not driving that player away.

As stated multiple times, we are more than happy to accommodate and host an equal numbers event like we've done with our other enemies. We can even attach RP or actual consequences to it. I don't know how much more sportsmanship one can get than that. But if we are being real honest, it's likely that we'll lose as you can get some vets on your side and whip us because we probably have maybe 3 players in DTR who are competent in PvP on an equal footing. And guess what, I am fine with that.

'We will use all our force unless it is a planned event between factions. Not pulling back caps even if it is a snub brawl. This is the only solution I got for you if you want to play it numerically fair.'

You keep saying you have lost every planned event and will lose in the future because of the difference in skill but you are fine with it. Why don't you face the opponent on equal footing? No-one is asking you not to keep the numerical advantage considering the skill difference. What people are saying is not to use caps in snub brawls. How will your players learn snub combat if the fights are not balanced skill-wise? You have the clear advantage numerically all the time. If you wanted to, you could just ask your caps to stand down and throw 10 snubs on 5 enemies to keep it balanced and challenging for both sides.