Many ideas, lots of options to choose from. Thanks for feedback.
We are not going to rush anything or try to sanction as many people as we can until it's established (no one will be sanctioned until we come up with clear set of requirements).
It's not possible to make anonymous requests, and I'm also not quite in favor of the committee thing. A subforum can be created for this task, with people posting their threads with links to stories, reasons for their request, and what ships/equipment they are going to use. It can't be "any ships and equipment". If players are not bound by official RP rules, they are bound by their own RP to use certain kinds of items and act in a certain way.
After such post is made, admins will be able to approve or disapprove the request, and any other member will be able to express his/her concerns. All threads will contain character names in their title to allow easy search, giving both players and admins an opportunity to check any in-game character when necessary. In my opinion, this is all what's necessary right now.
' Wrote:We are not going to rush anything or try to sanction as many people as we can until it's established
If you ask me (and you didn't) many oorp sanctions have already been done recently that were excessive, especially in light of the fact that oorp is allowed for some people with no clear metric as to how that is done.
Also I think if there is a new process for approval it should start by documenting the ships that are already allowed to use oorp equipment, and include the RP posts and requests that predate the admin approval so that there is a baseline.
May I remind and/or request that decisions be made promptly and with full disclosure of why a request is denied, if in fact it is denied.
The faction request are/were supposed to have have the same feedback and due to failure of provideing that we lost some players that may have added. I seem to remember a Unioner faction or Bundschunh faction that disappeared due to no feedback. I think.
So, if there is a denial can we have a clear time frame than indicates no feedback is good back by a certain point. The reasoning I say this instead of no feed back equals a fail is because, it is much easier to no respond and fairness I think will suffer where as if the RP is really that horrid or unacceptable it should be reasonable for at least one admin to get around to saying "no" and why.
So, how about a time frame and a no news is good news policy after a certian time determined by admin and uniformly used for all request? After all if admin cannot produce a reason why it cannot be done then the decision maybe based on emotion and not objective thought.
And with all processes a appeal and resubmission option need to be allowed and created.
My two additional cents.
' Wrote:If you ask me (and you didn't) many oorp sanctions have already been done recently that were excessive, especially in light of the fact that oorp is allowed for some people with no clear metric as to how that is done.
Also I think if there is a new process for approval it should start by documenting the ships that are already allowed to use oorp equipment, and include the RP posts and requests that predate the admin approval so that there is a baseline.
While I do appreciate where the "pre-forum-RP-guideline and requirements-people"
are coming from, let me take you back to when I first started here.
I read that on these forums I had to have forum RP to backup my
character. I had not had any experience with FL for a long time.
(I used to play it 3 years ago-ish.)
On the character creation screen, I created my main character as a word pun.
H Young Song. In a neo-japanese accent, with semi japanese spelling.
My silly and creative thinking was that "he will be young, his life is a song, where will it go?"
As a justification of why his name is like it is, I said Hyung Soong is a
Liberty citizen, Manhattan Mother, Kusari Father. I had a semi-back-story idea
about an interracial character, searching for his father. But that was as far as it got.
All of that was thought up VERY basically in the first five minutes.
I had no forum backup story. And I still dont. Even to this day it is very
hard for me to define, where I am going with my characters. I like to
PLAY with them and other people and see where the (big or little) story goes.
I call this "adlib RP". "Spontaneous". "Dynamic". The majority of my characters
have been this way. And I find it the most fun way to RP with other people too.
I don't like locking myself into one or two ways of doing things.
What I fear this potential ruling will do, or even a committee / subforum-Disco-community
will do to this kind of "adlib" and "dynamic" play is cut off "adlib's" "dynamic" legs and arms.
Yes you have the body there but you will never run a marathon.
Yes you have a head, but you cant defend yourself from wasps.
Yes you can piss, but you cant eat.
I simply cannot think up enough forum RP before creating my character to use the subforum (which is so far, sounding like a requirement.)
To use that subforum, I need history. My chars dont have much history.
I create the character and interact with people, THEN create the history.
Take a look at all my characters RP. It's all retrospective. Hyung has a logbook of recorded events.
Same with my Rogue character. (His history was he woke up in a starflier above manhattan with
enough food for a few days. with a big bump on his head. Logical conclusion is someone knocked him out.)
I find making up history about a character, before I've even played him, VERY very challenging and difficult.
If I had to do forum RP, before actually making a char, I doubt I'd be here today.
Am I making sense? Im not sure I am, I do have a point in there somehwere.
Sovereign Wrote:Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.
You only need forum RP to fly what would normally be an oorp ship or equipment for your ID.
I'm already working on one where a set of tizzies blown off a titan are irradiated by a spacial anomaly, become sentient, and fall in love with and attach themselves to my sabre! (that's a joke for those of you with no sense of humor)
I write a lot of RP, I don't do it here because it's not as personally rewarding for me to write stories here as it is to do so on RPOL where I am interacting more with others and reacting to the challenges that a DM and a roll of the dice give me, but if you need an rp story written for a particular purpose I'll be glad to churn out a few paragraphs.
Akumbito Wrote:You only need forum RP to fly what would normally be an oorp ship or equipment for your ID.
You are not listening to the people in this thread.
I myself just said something that contradicted your black and white statement just now.
I DO NOT use forum RP as a justification to get an OORP ship or equipment. As many other people do not as well.
I just said, that I use it to show people what my inner thoughts as a Junker or Rogue are.
I use Forum RP retrospectively to show what happened and give people some delightful stories (if they read them.)
Please amend your post or retract it.
Sovereign Wrote:Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.
' Wrote:You are not listening to the people in this thread.
I myself just said something that contradicted your black and white statement just now.
I DO NOT use forum RP as a justification to get an OORP ship or equipment. As many other people do not as well.
I just said, that I use it to show people what my inner thoughts as a Junker or Rogue are.
I use Forum RP retrospectively to show what happened and give people some delightful stories (if they read them.)
Please amend your post or retract it.
What in my post is inaccurate to require amending or retracting? The part you quoted is true, in the context of this discussion.
Quote:Is it an inconvenience? Sure it is, a minor one, but like my characters who probably will have to change ships it's well worth it for a fairer and less biased server where everyone is finally treated the same in this respect.
Well that's what it all comes down to. The server will continue either way. A few players might stop writing a character or two that is lynched by this rule, but it will continue nonetheless.
"Fair" is subjective though. While some (you included) may feel that a set rule will reduce bias, maybe it will. No, it definately will. But in the process, a massive chunk of the community (myself and many others in this thread) will feel that the rule isn't "fair". See what I'm getting at?
Either way, a people will be irked at the decision. I imagine less will be if the rule has it's limits. That's called a compromise. You don't want it, but judging from Igiss' post (Thanks for that Igiss. Very understanding and well thought out, unlike some people's posts.) a compromise is in order.
' Wrote:If you ask me (and you didn't) many oorp sanctions have already been done recently that were excessive, especially in light of the fact that oorp is allowed for some people with no clear metric as to how that is done.
Also I think if there is a new process for approval it should start by documenting the ships that are already allowed to use oorp equipment, and include the RP posts and requests that predate the admin approval so that there is a baseline.
And amazingly, I 100% agree with Akumabito here.
EDIT: I see what you're saying Hyuung. I sympathize too. You feel that obtaining "ooRP" ships and equipment should happen spur of the moment. Spontaneous. But you have to think here, this is already a compromise to be considering that "ooRP" ships and equipment will be allowed. As much as I would like to be able to "live first, ask questions later" too many players would abuse this.
' Wrote:There have been several sanctions recently for players breaking the following rules:
The current idea of "If there's RP justification for something, it's ok" is NOT an official position.
In discussions among the Admin team the general consensus is currently: There is no story writing exception to the rule about ID and equipment matching or the rule about acting in the way their reputation and status require.
Special RP should be kept to the forums not brought in game.
Please be aware of the above when playing characters the server.
Thank you Vero ... I've been hoping for something like this.
' Wrote:will you apply that position to everyone the same? - even if the story and everything is "established"? if you don t - why? ... and newer players might feel that they are not given a chance to establish their RP in terms of out of the ordinary ship / equipment.
will it be generalized or will each case be considered separately from each other. - if that is ... is it efficient and fair?
i cannot say i m very happy with such a point of view towards the RP of the people. if kept as simple as that - it means that roleplay ingame ( which is to be considered more important than roleplay on the forum ) is less important and enjoys less freedom. - it also means that we face strict limitations about what we can roleplay and what not. it supports the archetype role as opposed to the exceptional role. it also suggests that there is some consensus about what roleplay is proper and what is not ( to a certain extend ) - furthermore, i daresay it might sometimes contradict ID cards where it is mostly up to the players personal interpretation of what can and what cannot be done.
i believe that it has a detrimental effect on the creativity of characters, roles and the progressing evolution of the server as a dynamical enviroment.
Jinx ... I think Vero is getting at the obvious stupidity of a Bounty Hunter flying a Corsair Huntress or a Liberty Navy flying an Osiris and claiming they captured it in the forums. I don't think he's talking about slight adjustments to fit role play ... more to do with the totally retarded who just wanna fly whatever ship with whatever equipment they want to give them the best "fighting" vessel. We used to have a rash of good guys flying around with Tizonas and Coladas and claiming they "captured" them. Kinda defeats role play when everybody has the best weapons and ships from both sides of the fence.
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