Discovery 4.83 Beta 1 Release

[Ant]

...I was able to just fly through half of your beloved frigate.

Ah, so you do use ramming as a deliberate tactic.
Strange that some players seem to think themselves above server rules.

[Virus]

Perhaps you won because you couldn't be hit?

Edit: Ant, I've flown through other ships... Its usually not on purpose. Nightfall wouldn't do it on purpose. That's the main reason I learned of the Corsair Dread's horrible hit box. I accidentally flew my Osiris through half the ship... x.x

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[Nightfall]

Ah, so you do use ramming as a deliberate tactic.
Strange that some players seem to think themselves above server rules.

No, it was a friendly testing and I accidentally 'hit' it but I flew through. I tried ramming on purpose afterwards. It gave interesting results, the 'tail can be flown through completely and the lower forward part halfway I think. Same goes for the Corsair Dread.'

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[OsoRojo]

I have been hit. Look at the screenie. i did not manuever much in relation to him because a bloody frigate moves like a BS. Plus I have been killed by others. Ask Prix, and a Bloody HF in a Albatross, forgot his name, I made an after action report for SA and the HF crowed about it, as well. So, your theory on poor kill box is illogical and so is low profile. It just seems everyone wants to change the rules of the game in mid-stream due to effectiveness. The Frigate has been, as far as I can tell, in almost every version. Where is the balance here by gutting it now?

[Koolmo]

I wander how biased are those tests....

Sorry Night, but those tests were done by three people in several classes of ships. I'm an AWFUL BS pilot, and I coulds still take one down, although with damage. If you have to drop the shield class, give the thruster back. Otherwise, its just a slow, stunty cruiser with slightly more firepower. Not worth it.

As for the hitbox, yes there are issues. But there are issues with any non-vanilla ship. The corsair dread is one of my favorites on that point, because although certain sections are unhittable, the rest of the hull extends WAY farther than it should around the model, I've owned one for a long time, and it is quite easy to hit if you know the shipclass. I'm not saying taking it out was bad, because its not. Some SW ships fit in, but not that one, and the hitbox was screwey. I'm just saying that some ships thats hitbox are lacking in some areas make up for it in others.

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[Nightfall]

Well, you have to agree that shooting vacuum and score a hit and shooting the ship and not score a hit is killing the fun for the one that has to deal with the screwed up shooting.

@Oso: It was always about balance to the Discovery Mod, I just jumped into the game, I myself have sacrificed a lot of the ships I like, both Ravens, the Talon, the Viper. The Ravenclaw, for example, is imo, as it should be now, it has the huge firepower to fire the 8 weapon slots (but does deplete quick if not careful) the right armor value because of it's razor thin profile and so on. Yes, I'd love it to be 9900 or 17000 base armor and 375 bots/bats with a power generator value of two Titans, double thrusters, dual torp slots and why not, a gunboat shield. Hell, I'd like a Sabre like that but make the base armor 22500 and loose the damage multipliers.:lol:
Be realistic man.

On the thruster issue, someone needs to check, maybe a thruster that boosts to say, half the thruster speed of the cruiser? I don't know, what other people think?

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[OsoRojo]

I appreciate the conversation becoming more of a debate on the attributes of the vessel instead of a reaction such as, "decision is made live with it." Granted, my first post was emotional on this subject. I tend to bring such, and loyalty, into almost everything I hold of value and the emotion was created due to a preceived notion that such change was arbitrary and with an ulterior motive. However, as stated earlier, 4.83 is a beta and i shall advocate for the Frigates reinstatement as it once was, based on my soft-spot for it and actually evidence.

In addition, my thanks on at least considering my premise that the Frigate needs something to compensate for the loss, hopefully for a short time, of shield, i.e. providing a thruster at least.


My compliments
OsoRojo

P.S. For a sense of "balance" and to sweeten pot, i would put forth removing the 2 10lvl slots for the return of shields and don't give me thruster. So, here is the balance. Frigate has onlly lvl 9 weapons and no thruster. How's that for balance?

[Nightfall]

You're talking about a cruiser with a battleship shield, get IONCROSS, start a server, mount a class 10 shield on a Talarca or a huegenot, or whatever cruiser, unmount the thruster and load up with favorite weapons.

If you're not an Uber ship, my name is Jim Morrisson! (and f course, it ain't)

You're too involved on the other hand, and as such biased. You admit it yourself. Also, the Frigate is here since 4.82 Beta (maybe 4.81, I don't remember it in 4.80 but I'm sure there wasn't any of those in 4.79). Anyway, the bugs were reported since the beginning of it's 'career'. Same as with the Corsair Dread. Igiss is one man and has a life as most of us do or are at least try to.:)Some issues simply happen to get on the daily order later than others.

Try to be realistic and not get attached personally so much to one uber unballanced ship. It'll make you a better player and enable you to help this community develop more.

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[OsoRojo]

Howdy Jim Morrision:) In reference to bias, it infests all of man's dealings and should be embraced allowing control for it can never be removed. Your point of "Uber" is a bias and a difference of opinion. However, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from personal definitions and implications. It is insulting and does not improve your position, "It'll make you a better player and enable you to help this community develop more."


My compliments
OsoRojo

P.S. On the version, this from Igiss in reference to Assault Frigate,

QUOTE(Igiss @ Aug 11 2006, 07:30 AM)

Frigate is neither a cruiser nor a battleship. It's something in-between. Cruiser power supples are now 1400 thousand, and Battleship supplies are 7 million, while frigates have 2-3 million. Conclusion: they are best fit for good Cruiser weapons, NOT for battleship weapons, however, limited quantity of battleship turrets can be used.

This makes it, definitely, in 4.81 and strong possibility of 4.80.

P.S.S. It would not be a cruiser for I proposed no thruster and no lvl 10 BS weapons. It would be a Frigate, however, to be such it needs the lvl10 shield.

[Ant]

You're talking about a cruiser with a battleship shield, get IONCROSS, start a server, mount a class 10 shield on a Talarca or a huegenot, or whatever cruiser, unmount the thruster and load up with favorite weapons.

Actually, you'd be a sitting duck for a lot of shiptypes. The thruster is the only thing that really makes the Cruiser viable in capship fights.

In the same sense, without a stronger shield, the Frigate is essentially not viable. Even with class 10 shields on a Frigate, the Liberty Cruiser can take it on and expect to have some chance of winning.

I'm not sure how players who really only seem to use fighters and bombers on the server became such experts on capship balance.