Discovery 4.83 Beta 1 Release

[OsoRojo]

To make it official since a request was made to remove lvl10 shield, and this is a Beta version, I wish to make an official request to Igiss.


Igiss,

I wish to propose that the lvl10 shield be brought back to the Frigate class vessels. In addition, I propose that to maintain a sense of "balance" that the Frigate's lvl10BS slots be removed. If this is not enough, for some, I would propose reducing its hull to 250,000. It is a worthy vessel. Your thoughts and time on this subject would be appreciated

My respects
OsoRojo

[Wolfpack98]

I'm not sure how players who really only seem to use fighters and bombers on the server became such experts on capship balance.

Be VERY careful how you word that, Ant..

Nightfall's been here longer than even I, and he's been through this way too many times.

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[Nightfall]

OK both of you, this is begining to look like flaming me personally! WTF? Calm yourselves down!

I'm trying to have a civilised discussion, you both act like... |a few people in the last few days|, but I digress. Back to the frigate.

Howdy Jim Morrision:) In reference to bias, it infests all of man's dealings and should be embraced allowing control for it can never be removed. Your point of "Uber" is a bias and a difference of opinion. However, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from personal definitions and implications. It is insulting and does not improve your position, "It'll make you a better player and enable you to help this community develop more."
My compliments
OsoRojo

My position? Mate I am trying to tell you to open your eyes about it. Whatever you are insinuating.

P.S. On the version, this from Igiss in reference to Assault Frigate,

QUOTE(Igiss @ Aug 11 2006, 07:30 AM)

Frigate is neither a cruiser nor a battleship. It's something in-between. Cruiser power supples are now 1400 thousand, and Battleship supplies are 7 million, while frigates have 2-3 million. Conclusion: they are best fit for good Cruiser weapons, NOT for battleship weapons, however, limited quantity of battleship turrets can be used.

This makes it, definitely, in 4.81 and strong possibility of 4.80.

P.S.S. It would not be a cruiser for I proposed no thruster and no lvl 10 BS weapons. It would be a Frigate, however, to be such it needs the lvl10 shield.

OK, I said I wasn't sure since when it's here but it's sure not 'from the beginning' as you said.

you say: 'It would not be a cruiser for I proposed no thruster and no lvl 10 BS weapons.'

I say: 'a class 10 shield on a Talarca or a huegenot, or whatever cruiser, unmount the thruster and load up with favorite weapons.'

we are saying the same, we are just calling it differently.

Actually, you'd be a sitting duck for a lot of shiptypes. The thruster is the only thing that really makes the Cruiser viable in capship fights.

heh, knowing your questionable 'tactics'... you don't need a thruster anyway (if we want to insult each other, I prefer not to)

In the same sense, without a stronger shield, the Frigate is essentially not viable. Even with class 10 shields on a Frigate, the Liberty Cruiser can take it on and expect to have some chance of winning.

The Li Cruiser is supposed to take on battleships, it is supposed to take out a frigate a lot easier.

I'm not sure how players who really only seem to use fighters and bombers on the server became such experts on capship balance.

Makes a lot of sense since both Dab and I have been and still are capship owners/pilots. I made my name here in a battleship, ask the older players, read my RPs.
The fact that I consider the Sabre a much more honorable way of living is another story.


Back to Oso, I seen the new post, both of us know the thing is extremely hard to hit anywhere else than in the dead center and that is a very small area. Why are you so keen on it?



edit: Thanx Wolf!

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[Korrd]

Yes. Night has flown many big ships since he first joined here. So he knows what he is talking about.

Frigate should not use cruiser nor BS shields. It should has his own type of shields.

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[Ant]

heh, knowing your questionable 'tactics'... you don't need a thruster anyway (if we want to insult each other, I prefer not to)

You're quite right about that. Having no thruster makes the use of cruise a lot more necessary.

Frigates are very frustrating ships to fly in combat anyway, so it's good to have a reason to switch away from it.

[OsoRojo]

Nightfall am not flaming. I am trying to advocate not to gut the Frigate as has been done. But comments such as,

"OK both of you, this is begining to look like flaming me personally! WTF? Calm yourselves down!

I'm trying to have a civilised discussion, you both act like... |a few people in the last few days|, but I digress. Back to the frigate."

As well as, "Pissing and whining" (Dab) are more along the lines of flaming. I have been attempting to form a case, with evidence, to maintain or modify, as Korrd has suggested, the frigate. I have not attempted to make this personal. I have my convictions and I am defending my position, and myself.


Yours sincerely
OsoRojo

P.S. my use of evidence is not a "gotcha," I am not attacking you, its sole purpose is to strength my arguement and to clarify points of issue, as well as, persuade others to my position. If I succeed, I hope, the Frigate will remain a fine ship in this wonderful sector.

[Igiss]

Frigate should not use cruiser nor BS shields. It should has his own type of shields.

Class 9,5, or maybe class 9,29? Unfortunately, Freelancer has only 10 classes for each type of equipment, so we really lack choice.

I'm intended to restore level 10 shields for frigates. They are more expensive than cruisers anyway, and should be worth their price. Still they lack firepower compared to battleships.

Stop accusing each other of flaming... I don't see grounds for it here. Calm down plz.

[OsoRojo]

The Voice of Discovery has spoken and I shall act accordingly.


My respects to all
OsoRojo

[Dab]

Alright, fine give it the level 10 shield, but because its small size, it should not have a thruster, just like the battleship, to even things out. Right now its a mini-battleship. Those cruiser guns work almost as well as battleship guns, and with a thruster its hard to hit, faster, almost as much firepower, and now the same shield capacity. Heck, battleships end up missing other battleships occasionally in dogfights, hitting those frigates with messed up hitboxes and small size is even worse.

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[Virus]

I have an inquiry... What happened to the Rheinland bomber? I haven't had time to test it, yet and am curious. And if nothing, what do you plan on doing with it, if anything?

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