I like it, a lot. But I think it would look better balanced if the prow were pulled out to be longer as well as the two exhaust ports on the front of the engine module.
What do you call the Geb, then?
That has no Zoner influences?
It's more of a Zoner vessel than an Order vessel.
The old model was perfectly fine, and it was a good looking Order vessel. This new one... it's a mix between a Dromedary and a Juggernaut with the Geb's launch tubes thrown on the front. It's not even tan, as Order vessels should be.
I've respected the similarities between the gunboats, as lore would dictate, but things get out of hand when it doesn't even look remotely like an Order vessel.
As I said:
I'll fly Zoner vessels on my Zoner.
I'd like to be able to fly Order vessels on my Order agent.
the ... geb?!:laugh::laugh:- you really see zoner influence there? - well, if thats the case ... i guess i m guilty of applying zoner standards to most of my ships.
i m really sorry - but i don t even see a sliver of zoner design in the geb - nothing at all.
ok - honestly.... i have again looked at it... and i see nothing that is even remotely zonerish about it. - however if you do see juggernaut and dromedary ( which is no zoner ship btw. ) in it... so be it. - and i cannot help it, - sorry.
but do not dispair. - if the order| high command decides against the ship - i ll gladly get it in as a second version of a zoner GB that is more combat orientated - i am sure many a zoners will be quite happy about a conference mk2 combat version.
Quote:The Geb looks like a Zoner ship. So does this new Hathor.
I dont see any zoner influence in the new geb model, tbh. It's certainly better than the old geb, 90% of that ship used the same texture. and there were glitches all over the model.
Here's my suggestions for this ship, if you really want to go with this new model...
You've over-used the "engine grate" texture, way, way too much. The thing I dislike most about your ship designs is over-used textures, it seems that whenever you texture a ship you pick 2 or 3 textures and then try to base the entire ship on those alone, and it makes the whole model look bland and redundant.
-First off, replace the hull texture on this ship with something similar to the geb or current hathor - smooth, black and dark grey armor. This thing, as said before, looks very rusty and beat up - it does not look like a high tech ship, but rather something that the junkers or corsairs might be flying.
-On the front of the ship, and above the engine pods, where you've used the 'engine grate texture', replace those with a glowing blue texture, such as the current engine exhausts on the hathor. Here's an image to demonstrate what I mean:
Once the engine grate texture is replaced on those areas, pick a 'cleaner' engine grate texture for the actual engine intakes (the ones I didnt recolor, on the front of the engine pods). something more like the gallic engine intakes - they look more high tech, rather than just a plate with holes poked in it.
-Next, bring back the exposed reactors. I really like those on the current hathor and the old conference GB. I know that, realistically, having exposed engine reactors/power cores is not a good design philosophy, but those add a great deal of detail to the ship, and make it look far more technologically advanced - like the ship is frail, but that it defends itself with powerful shielding.
-The rear "exhaust ports" on the engines need to be reverted to what the current hathor uses - those round, blue, glowing engine exhausts. Those look much more high tech than the standard grated exhaust texture.
If those changes are made, I think this model will be much better than the current, I kinda like the idea of having no 'windows', an enclosed bridge - it makes the ship look a bit more stealthy and 'alien', like it was based on some new design philosophy that no other sirius ships use - that's something the order would be looking into, right now.
Past those, the only other thing I'd do is give this ship a cloaking device, but we all know that wont happen =)
EDIT:
Ultimately, it'd look something like this... but of course, this is a rough edit with GIMP, not an actual retexture like I'm suggesting:
Kyte told me about the Order GB facelift, so I logged in to take a look. My my VERY nice. Do you think you might consider revisiting the Hacker GB? I've got one and it seems a lil pudgy. Just putting in a plug for myself.
Seriously, you do excellent work. Keep it up, Jinx!
' Wrote:Then maybe you should stop making non-Zoner ships?
Especially so if you can't even see the Zoner influences in the Geb.
And take note that the only faction to use Dromedaries in Vanilla was the Zoners...
So... if it's not a Zoner or Zoner-associated ship, what is it?
Jinx has made more good models for this mod than anyone else on the dev team, c'mon sprolf, show a little respect.
Now, the dromedary is sold on hacker bases in vanilla, and it's used by some of the borderworlds groups like the GMG, IMG, and even synth foods in some locations. It's a borderworlds ship, not a zoner ship, and it has zero zoner influence as far as the new zoner ship models with disco go.
I've been flying the geb longer than just about anyone here, and I cant find any zoner influence in it - hell, you can even see the osiris base underneath all of it's modifications.
Order ships look advanced, they look sleek and high tech, and that's how they should look. If anything, we should be going back and retexturing or remodelling our fighters and even the osiris itself. The recon cruiser in particular needs a remodel, as it's bridge section is disproportionately large compared to the rest of the ship.
As I said in my post before, this new hathor looks 'good', but there are a lot of things that need to be changed to make it as good as the current hathor, or as worthy of being an order ship. Mostly those changes lie in textures, not the general shape of the ship, but I'd really like to see the 'exposed reactors' of the current hathor come back into this model, as they add a very high tech look to the ship.
I have seen the old Geb and have seen the new Geb which is going to be added in the next Update I think. Anyhow...ahemm...ehem....Nice Job Jinx (I should make something like a Makro for you)
Well the only thing I was having against it is the Grid, and please don't use Nomad Technology as Tenacity wants (or something else shiny blue)
Ah yeah, I cannot find any cockpit >.<
PS: Epic new Signature Jinx.
"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"
Quote:Well the only thing I was having against it is the Grid, and please don't use Nomad Technology as Tenacity wants (or something else shiny blue)
My edit was just an example, not what the actual texture should be replaced with. Regardless, why should it not look like nomad technology? Using that fits the order better than anyone else, and it fills the purpose of making the ship look more advanced.