I just want to point out that the 'atrocities' the GC keep talking about happening in Kusari have gotten rather...insane.
Kusari isn't exactly a land of equal rights, no. But neither is it a land where the men lay on litters and beat the women, rape them whenever they feel, (and lets take a moment to examine the word rape, yes? Rape is a powerfully charged word, containing images of struggle, violence, and horrid abuse. Now, I don't want to say daterape isn't as horrid, but if you're being dateraped every day, every week, or even every month, you stop going out. Its not the sort of attack someone recovers from fast enough that it can happen on a regular basis, or that culture would countenance it. By using it, you're either cheapening the word, or portraying an unsurvivable horror of a nation which cannot be expected to exist..or at least define rape in that manner. People desensitize) Kusari is much closer to a traditional japan, which, while it doesn't offer women the same opportunities as men, simply does not victimize them in that manner. It is, in fact, a society where any man victimizing a woman in that manner would fall victims to much harsher reprisals than such a man today. Patriarchal societies may treat their daughters like a commodity, but you have to realize that even if you're only a commodity, you've enough value that your father, brothers, cousins and sons will be quite willing to murder a man, rather horribly, who abuses you.
Women are expected to do the housework, yes. They're likely also expected to work in the fields, in any rural community which involves a level of peasantry. But the men are not lazing about, whipping the women, definitely not in the fields, and one imagines it would be the mother and the grandmother whipping or slapping the lazy daughter who refuses to do her share, while the men are out. Displays of that nature, in front of the men of the family...not at all.
GC Are extremists. They're engaged in an incredibly extreme struggle for equal rights, and they are terrorists. You don't defend people by committing piracy, nor by spreading an addictive drug. Oh, and the Maltese aren't nice people, Cardamine fields can be described as 'razorgrass,' and I highly doubt a wealthy Maltese Plantation owner would marry a GC. The Maltese consider themselves far better than mere humans.
""So in other words, we were thinking 2 different things when I was told to drop the cargo. I was thinking along the lines of 'dumping people into space is murder' while my aggressor felt she was too busy to do a trade request. That resolves the issue. Thanks. I'm sorry if anyone took this the wrong way.
Next time could you tell me to put them in spacesuits before dumping them, so I don't have to role-play them suffocating in space?""
//OCC: I do have to give you point for bringing up a possible good Role Play point about tossing pilots out in space. In game transfer is slow and yeah, I been in the middle of a few transfers myself, only to get shot & blown up while in transfer mode....so I can understand why anyone that does not trust the other person, would not want to engage in 'transfer mode'.
' Wrote:GC Are extremists. They're engaged in an incredibly extreme struggle for equal rights, and they are terrorists. You don't defend people by committing piracy, nor by spreading an addictive drug. Oh, and the Maltese aren't nice people, Cardamine fields can be described as 'razorgrass,' and I highly doubt a wealthy Maltese Plantation owner would marry a GC. The Maltese consider themselves far better than mere humans.
A few notes on this paragraph specifically. (I'm not in [GC], but I lead another GC faction, and thus this is relevant to us as well.)
First; The GC supply themselves through piracy. They get goods from it, and money to buy even more goods from Interspace and the Outcasts. Every other terrorist faction commits piracy, including the Xenos. It's a necessary evil that they must perform so that their cause can continue to exist. Without money and supplies, no terrorist group can continue to operate. Also, they spread Cardamine for money as well, and to gain more recruits from the female population of Kusari. Those that don't join the GC are still dependent on them to get more Cardamine, which they now require to continue living. Spreading Cardamine has several benefits to the GC, not to mention the fact that it is part of their tradition.
Not to mention the fact that piracy harms Kusari's economy, making the GC's goals that much easier to accomplish. Destroying a nation's economy is a stepping stone to revolution. One that is necessary and can't be neglected.
Also, the Maltans, in your opinion, aren't nice people. But that's just your opinion, and not fact in any way or form.. I have Outcast characters. None of them are evil. I have GC characters, none of them are evil either. Both factions do what they must. While Outcasts consider themselves superior to other humans because of the Cardamine, that doesn't mean they hate them or are mean to them because of it. Furthermore, the GC are all fully addicted to Cardamine. This puts them on an almost-equal level with the Outcasts. The Outcasts 'look down' less on GC than any other faction. To say they 'aren't nice people' is ludicrous and doesn't have any basis in lore or RP in vanilla or Disco.
On the assumption that a wealthy plantation owner wouldn't marry a GC, that really is the choice of that Maltan. There would be several reasons for it, among them the fact that, while GC use Cardamine, most are not the descendents of a line of ancestors that also used it. That means these women have a higher fertility rate than Maltese women. That's just the practicality side, not straying into the fact that love is love, and it doesn't have to adhere to what you decide it to be. If a Maltan were to meet a GC and fall in love with her, what's to stop him? Unlike the Corsairs, the Outcasts have no family marriage restrictions stating they must marry within the Outcasts. They can do whatever they wish to do. Due to the close relations between the GC and OC, something like this happening is rare, but not impossible or unthinkable.
On the other points you raised; That mean are evil, lazy, abusive people is a stereotype that is very common within the GC (lore-wise). If a GC player wants to RP a legitimate part of GC lore, they have every right to. Not ever GC feels this way, lore-wise and player-wise. But those who do aren't uncommon. Think about the atmosphere they live in, and most likely grew up in. Kusari men are the 'enemy'.
If you're going to give a faction feedback, please get the facts you're presenting straight before posting them, and try not to tell a faction not to RP their NPC faction's RP..
I cannot say Dab, how wrong you are.
But I will attempt to anyway; of course you will deny all of what I say is true, but I can say I tried.
Quote:First; The GC supply themselves through piracy.
Your first line! Your first damn line is wrong! The Infocard for the GC mentions ZERO about piracy.
Quote:The Golden Chrysanthemums are a terrorist organization seeking to the overthrow the Kusari government and institute a matriarchy. Short-term goals include helping the Outcasts and Blood Dragons to free Kusari from the Corsair influence.
The -only- reason anyone can consider the GC to be pirates is by the game mechanic, as the rules of the server do not allow the GC to act as terrorists. You'd need a terrorist ID for that.
I usually despise RL comparisons, but Im going to make one here:
The IRA; Goals to free Northern Ireland from the control of Queen Elizabeth II and the state religeon supported by the Church of England, protestantism.
The GC; Goals to free Kusari from the Control of Emperor Jien Kogen and the currently backwards and traditional culture supported by the current regime, which places women further down the order.
The IRA; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets on the mainland as well as attacking and killing opposition party spokesmen, leaders, military and police personnel.
The GC; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets in central Kusari as well as attacking and killing the current regimes supporters, primarily Samura, Hogosha, KNF, KSP and the Farmers Alliance.
The IRA; Supplied by those with interests in the goals of the IRA, namely the political party Sinn fein, representatives within, anonymous parties outside and those who want to see control of northern ireland fall into Dublin's hands simply because they have cash or leverage to gain from it.
The GC; Supplied by those with interests in the goals of the GC, namely corporations and factions looking to muscle in on the Kusari market, primarily IC, Synth Foods and the Outcasts, who want to gain a stronger foothold with their Cardamine. Also supplied by donations from any representatives of political parties perhaps even within Samura and the Hogosha, who claim that 'more needs to be done to prevent GC terrorism acts in Kusari' as their reason for a powergrab within their parental faction.
Like most terrorist groups in these days and the next, the GC are a tool by which political manoevering is played out, a game which could currently go either way. They are no more than a tool.
Quote:Also, they spread Cardamine for money as well, and to gain more recruits from the female population of Kusari.
Cardamine is a vessel for gathering credits, and also earns them support from the Outcasts. The spread of Cardamine itself through Kusari plays no role in acting as a 'recruitment banner'. Cardamine is used in initiation, not before. True, a cardamine addicted lady may look to join the Chrysanthemums after being found out and exiled by her blood-relations, but that is not the way that the GC gains the majority of its recruits. They gain most of their recruits instead by appealing to the few women in Kusari who have retained their ability to think for themselves, which I will get on to later.
Quote:Not to mention the fact that piracy harms Kusari's economy, making the GC's goals that much easier to accomplish. Destroying a nation's economy is a stepping stone to revolution. One that is necessary and can't be neglected.
Piracy causes less fear than terrorism, and it is the GC's aim to be feared. After all, if you fear someone and they speak, you tend to listen to them rather than ignore them. And what's better, if you destroy things, you still get to tow away some of the loot.
Quote:Also, the Maltans, in your opinion, aren't nice people. But that's just your opinion, and not fact in any way or form.. I have Outcast characters. None of them are evil. I have GC characters, none of them are evil either.
So, essentially, the GC condone slavery and a horrible death by a thousand cuts. Excellent.In rebelling against the patriarchal society of Kusari, and in being responsible for deaths through acts of terrorism, they lose all sense of humanity. Sarcasm of course.
Quote:On the assumption that a wealthy plantation owner wouldn't marry a GC, that really is the choice of that Maltan. There would be several reasons for it, among them the fact that, while GC use Cardamine, most are not the descendents of a line of ancestors that also used it. That means these women have a higher fertility rate than Maltese women. That's just the practicality side, not straying into the fact that love is love, and it doesn't have to adhere to what you decide it to be. If a Maltan were to meet a GC and fall in love with her, what's to stop him? Unlike the Corsairs, the Outcasts have no family marriage restrictions stating they must marry within the Outcasts. They can do whatever they wish to do. Due to the close relations between the GC and OC, something like this happening is rare, but not impossible or unthinkable.
Here I agree with you. There's that famous rumour about a Outcast and Corsair getting entangled with each other, I dont think it's outside the realms of possibility.
Quote:Think about the atmosphere they live in, and most likely grew up in. Kusari men are the 'enemy'.
But these Kusari men do not rape other Kusari women or commit similar attrocities and get away with it. As Unselie said, if such a thing were to happen, you would probably see revenge killing's of sorts.
This is Kusari/Japan that we're talking about, during the period before the conclusion of the second world war. My grandmother was punched by a military officer when she was six for breaking her bow to look up at him while he was passed. She didn't then decide to join a suffragette-eque movement.
Having first hand experience of even modern Japan, women play their role still subject to the will of the man in the family, though far less so than in pre-war Japan. Women do not get pushed around or forced into the role that they play, they just do so without asking questions.
You are thinking about 'the atmosphere they live in, and most likely grew up in' from the eyes of a westerner. It may seem perfectly logical to you to, but even Japanese women wont quite see what you're trying to say. Or rather, they will appear to agree with you but in reality have no opinion of their own. This is because Japanese people, women and men alike, are put through an educational system that dumbs down the ability of free thinking and question asking in exchange for a vast knowledge base from which to draw facts and methods. For example, putting your hand up during an excerpt being read out by a teacher in High School in Japan typically earns you a detention, rather than them allowing you to ask your question. You listen. You learn. You do not question. These are the rules of the current educational system, which has been in place since Japan modernised its armed forces over a century ago.
If we now assume that Kusari is traditional Japan in respect to its very fact-based educational system, strong traditions of patriarchy and a prized value for brides as a way of sealing connections between families, all of which existed before westernisation and still do to a large extent, then the GC movement should still be what it was in vanilla; a small but expanding group of idealists who have taken the most extreme measures to fulfill their goals. Not some bloody armada like they are now.
Let me now conclude with what I could gather here:
Part of the Ainu infocard:
Quote:Matusda had a considerable following among young Kusari women who found their lives lacking in direction but were reluctant to become married and fulfill their traditional role in Kusari society.
Lacking in direction =/= being raped, abused and generally pushed around.
Quote:Matsuda looked to the foreigners as a model, where women could be president and run corporations.
Politicians in Japan do this now, and find themselves blocked by a considerable traditionalist contingent across the two main political parties where changes to key milestones in Japanese tradition are proposed.
Quote:Neither as well armed as the Blood Dragons nor as influential as the Hogosha, the Golden C. have been more of an irritant to the government than an actual threat.
Which supports my statement about their size in relation to other more substancial organisations within Kusari.
EDIT: Too many quotes, had to split into two posts.
' Wrote:I cannot say Dab, how wrong you are.
But I will attempt to anyway; of course you will deny all of what I say is true, but I can say I tried.
Your first line! Your first damn line is wrong! The Infocard for the GC mentions ZERO about piracy.
Well fortunately, I look more into a faction than its infocard. Did you know the Farmers Alliance infocard;
Quote:The Farmers Alliance is a Kusari political organization formed to lobby for government subsidies and restrictions on the sale of foreign Food. Based in Kyushu system, they are the main allies of the Hogosha in Kusari space.
Mentions absolutely nothing on piracy as well? But what do the FA do? They pirate foreign traders. But the infocard doesn't say that, so it must not be right... Sometimes you have to do a bit of a deeper digging McNeo.
The following are vanilla infocards proving the fact that the Golden Chrysanthemums commit piracy.
Quote:News Report - ids# 056201
NEW TOKYO -- An independent news organization conducted a secret poll recently and discovered some surprising results. It appears that three quarters of the female population in New Tokyo under the age of thirty support the actions of the terrorist group Golden Chrysanthemums. Many of those questioned in the polls stated that they believe what the Golden C. are doing is best for Kusari in the long run. Government sources responded to the findings in an official statement, "Since the terrorist organization began operations Cardamine abuse is up 200 percent, and piracy is up 29 percent."
ids# 065972
A large field of fine particulate matter. Scanners work poorly at best within the field, providing excellent concealment for Blood Dragon and Golden Chrysanthemum members to strike against Trade Lane traffic and other targets such as the Nansei Research Complex and Tsushima Depot. The Battleship Nagumo was recently stationed at the edge of the field to keep the Trade Lanes clear and protect the Tau-29 Jump
ids# 131408
Outcasts, Corsairs, Red Hessians, Blood Dragons, Golden Chrysanthemums, Liberty Rogues, Unioners, Xenos, the LWB, the Farmers Alliance, Gaians, and Lane Hackers -- all these groups attack Trade Lanes. And that’s why IC will pay any Bounty Hunter top dollar to kill them, any of them. But especially Lane Hackers.
ids# 131657
The Golden Chrysanthemums that hang out at this base are into their Luxury Goods, probably the daughters of rich Samura and Kishiro executives in Kusari. I like 'em. They’re all into Cardamine and stealing -- my two favorite past times.
ids# 132365
You know how far I have to fly to deliver this H-Fuel to this base? It is a long way across Sirius at the Ogashawa Refinery in Sigma-19. Here's the worst part -- I have to get through Outcasts to get into Kusari space, and then I deal with the pirates there, including the Hogosha and the Golden Chrysanthemums. Finally I get through all that and have to fly through the Border Worlds on the other side of Kusari space. Guess who attacks me there? That's right, more Outcasts.
ids# 132902
I just sold a shipment of Manhattan Luxury Goods for the spoiled brats of our Shibuya district. The trip from Liberty is tiring, given the threat of Xeno and Lane Hacker attacks. Then you must contend with those crazy Golden Chrysanthemum pirates, who would rather steal their designer clothes than buy them like a proper Kusari woman.
ids# 132980
We view the Golden Chrysanthemums and Blood Dragons as misguided political terrorists who occasionally engage in acts of piracy against our ships. They embody the pent up frustrations that certain elements of Kusari society are feeling towards the glacial pace of change in Tokyo.
ids #133414
The Golden C. are the main problem in this part of the system; on the other side of the Gap, it's Blood Dragons. But that's the military's problem. Anyway, they like to attack the gas miners, or wait for supply ships to pass along the buoy route.
ids# 133428
We prefer to attack installations and Samura-owned transports rather than raid foreign shipping, which does not help our cause. Unfortunately, sometimes we must obtain supplies. The Golden Chrysanthemums are not nearly as discriminating, which has created a publicity problem for us, since they are perceived by the press as our allies.
ids# 133546 Golden Chrysanthemums lifted our Water supplies twice in a row. I have not been able to bathe in more than three days, nor has anyone else on the base. It smells unbearable. Do you know how badly miners smell? I am slowly being driven mad.
And to make it even more clear, the most terroristic faction in Sirius, the Xenos, conduct piracy themselves;
Quote:ids# 131651
Xenos do a lot of their pirating in Colorado. You’ll find Lane Hackers there, too. Going north into Shikoku and beyond, you will run into the Kusari criminals such as the Golden Chrysanthemums, Blood Dragons, and Hogosha.
' Wrote:The -only- reason anyone can consider the GC to be pirates is by the game mechanic, as the rules of the server do not allow the GC to act as terrorists. You'd need a terrorist ID for that.
Apart from the rather large amount of infocards I just collected for you, there is also the fact that the NPC GC will attack shipping, they camp tradelanes, and the .ini files have them set to demand cargo from ships. This setting is easily editable, and only exists for pirate factions, and for police when it comes to contraband. If they weren't pirates, why would the game files have them set to demand cargo from traders? It has nothing to do with game mechanics.
' Wrote:
The IRA; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets on the mainland as well as attacking and killing opposition party spokesmen, leaders, military and police personnel.
The GC; Try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets in central Kusari as well as attacking and killing the current regimes supporters, primarily Samura, Hogosha, KNF, KSP and the Farmers Alliance.
You should continue to avoid trying to make real life comparisons.. Especially when you're interpreting one side the way you wish. The GC don't try to achieve their goals in such a black-and-white fashion.
GC try to achieve their goals by destroying profiled targets throughout Kusari, as well as attacking and killing the current regime supporters. In addition, they attack trade in Kusari, including foreign traders, to stifle Kusari's economy and further damage Samura, by direct attacks, and the government, who get money from trade coming to and going from Kusari.
' Wrote:The GC; Supplied by those with interests in the goals of the GC, namely corporations and factions looking to muscle in on the Kusari market, primarily IC, Synth Foods and the Outcasts, who want to gain a stronger foothold with their Cardamine. Also supplied by donations from any representatives of political parties perhaps even within Samura and the Hogosha, who claim that 'more needs to be done to prevent GC terrorism acts in Kusari' as their reason for a powergrab within their parental faction.
You're partly correct. But the Chrysanthemums also commit piracy to supply themselves. This fact is shown above in the infocards I supplied. I believe two of them specifically noted that some of their piracy is for the purpose of getting supplies. The Blood Dragons do the exact same things. This again, is shown in the above infocards. The next isn't in the above infocards, but the Bundschuh, probably the faction most like the GC, also committed piracy to supply themselves, in addition to the money they got from people in Rheinland. These days they've done more pirating than political terrorism, but back when they were pure political terrorists, they still did piracy for supplies.
' Wrote:The spread of Cardamine itself through Kusari plays no role in acting as a 'recruitment banner'. Cardamine is used in initiation, not before.
Really? Care to explain the following infocard then?
Quote:ids# 132960
I think it's time for my afternoon Cardamine break. We sell our cargo here, since they won't let us land on Tokyo. All the hip Tokyo types come here to get their supply. That's how we recruit new girls to join the cause.
Quote:Piracy causes less fear than terrorism, and it is the GC's aim to be feared. After all, if you fear someone and they speak, you tend to listen to them rather than ignore them. And what's better, if you destroy things, you still get to tow away some of the loot.
Really? GC want to be feared? If you're going to try to tell us what we should and shouldn't do, please be sure to understand the faction first. The GC don't want to be feared at all. That never was their plan. They hit Hogosha/Samura/Government to weaken them, not to instill fear. They attack trade to hurt the economy and make Samura and the government that much weaker. Never has the GC attacked a civilian population. If they were to instill fear, how would they get new women to join them? You're way off mark with this, and there is absolutely nothing to back up this claim. Show me some infocards or rumors, or anything, that supports your claim here. I can guarantee you won't find one.
' Wrote:So, essentially, the GC condone slavery and a horrible death by a thousand cuts. Excellent.In rebelling against the patriarchal society of Kusari, and in being responsible for deaths through acts of terrorism, they lose all sense of humanity. Sarcasm of course.
Condone slavery? No. Understand that they can't get the Outcasts to change their policy? Yes. They may be unhappy about it, but they know there is nothing they can do to stop the Outcasts from doing it. They also understand it's a vital resource to have Slaves in order to get that Cardamine. Since the GC rely on the OC's Cardamine, they aren't going to tell the Outcasts to stop using slaves. They'd lose their own supply of Cardamine if they managed to get it done. It's the same situation they have with the GMG. They don't like the fact that GMG and OC fight each other, but they can't do anything about it, so they learn to live with it. Slavery is not a big issue to the GC, especially when they are indirectly relying on it. You haven't done very much research on the GC if you don't even understand this...
' Wrote:Here I agree with you. There's that famous rumour about a Outcast and Corsair getting entangled with each other, I dont think it's outside the realms of possibility.
But these Kusari men do not rape other Kusari women or commit similar attrocities and get away with it. As Unselie said, if such a thing were to happen, you would probably see revenge killing's of sorts.
When did we ever say Kusari men go out and rape the women?
' Wrote:This is Kusari/Japan that we're talking about, during the period before the conclusion of the second world war. My grandmother was punched by a military officer when she was six for breaking her bow to look up at him while he was passed. She didn't then decide to join a suffragette-eque movement.
A six year old can't do a whole lot about joining a movement, can she? Furthermore, there wasn't any big movement for her to join during that period. Especially one that is confined to the Japanese islands. This is space, 1,000 years in the future. They have the means an opportunity to leave the nation and join a revolutionary movement. They have also had the taste of equality, and since been oppressed after arriving in Sirius. Did you read anything other than the sparse infocard?
' Wrote:Having first hand experience of even modern Japan, women play their role still subject to the will of the man in the family, though far less so than in pre-war Japan. Women do not get pushed around or forced into the role that they play, they just do so without asking questions.
Wrong. There are some families that still stick to tradition, but there are also more families that no longer act that way, where the woman is equal to the man in the family. Also, you're neglecting the biggest issue the GC women have with Kusari. Inequality in society, not the family settings.
Here is another infocard from in-game, for your thoughts;
Quote:ids# 133398
I graduated from New Tokyo University with a degree in Quantum Engineering. I found work at Samura pouring coffee for my male boss. When the Golden C. approached me at a Roppongi bar, I jumped at the chance to finally fight back for the women of Kusari.
You see above one of the reasons the women in Kusari act the way they do..
But now I have a question for you; Why are you trying to argue over the facts of the NPC faction and its lore? Right now you're straying towards that, not the actions of the GC players in-game. You're arguing about how GC women act, and their motives for doing so, in Kusari. So you're saying that the NPC faction is OORP now? We shouldn't act the way our faction does, because it's the faction that is wrong?
' Wrote:You are thinking about 'the atmosphere they live in, and most likely grew up in' from the eyes of a westerner. It may seem perfectly logical to you to, but even Japanese women wont quite see what you're trying to say. Or rather, they will appear to agree with you but in reality have no opinion of their own. This is because Japanese people, women and men alike, are put through an educational system that dumbs down the ability of free thinking and question asking in exchange for a vast knowledge base from which to draw facts and methods. For example, putting your hand up during an excerpt being read out by a teacher in High School in Japan typically earns you a detention, rather than them allowing you to ask your question. You listen. You learn. You do not question. These are the rules of the current educational system, which has been in place since Japan modernised its armed forces over a century ago.
Really now? I've known some people from Japan, and this isn't anything like what they've talked about. Perhaps you'd like to get a news article, or review, of the Japanese educational system to back up what you say. Especially since this is you, a male from the UK, saying this.. I don't find you as a source very reliable on the workings of a nation's education system on the other side of the planet.
' Wrote:If we now assume that Kusari is traditional Japan in respect to its very fact-based educational system, strong traditions of patriarchy and a prized value for brides as a way of sealing connections between families, all of which existed before westernisation and still do to a large extent, then the GC movement should still be what it was in vanilla; a small but expanding group of idealists who have taken the most extreme measures to fulfill their goals. Not some bloody armada like they are now.
I don't recall ever saying the GC were an armada. In fact, I'm one of the people that was -against- the use of cruisers by GC players. I also encouraged very small numbers of gunship (Kiretsu has only a single gunship), while using large amounts of fighters and bombers instead. I also agree with the fact that is is small, but not as small as you seem to think it is. The GC are slightly larger than the Blood Dragons, though not as well trained or skilled as they are. If you're talking about the things found in Tau-65, I'd agree with you. I, for one, think that system makes very little sense for the GC. I didn't mod it, nor have any part in its creation. If Kiretsu were to own Tau-65, we'd likely go with an entire retcon of the system, but we don't own it, so there is nothing we can do about it. As you know, guard systems have become an issue for a large amount of factions at this point, including the Mollys, FA, and others.
' Wrote:Part of the Ainu infocard:
Lacking in direction =/= being raped, abused and generally pushed around.
Again, please quote where I've ever said that women in Kusari are raped.. If you're going to criticize what I say, pick real comments, rather than ones that don't exist.
So, I've supplied you with many infocards supporting what I've said. Could you please show me some that support your comments?
I knew you wouldn't accept anything that I said. Your abraisive attitude only reinforces this.
Quote:A six year old can't do a whole lot about joining a movement, can she?
Deliberately missing the point, a theme that is constant in your post.
To be honest, I didn't think you'd listen or accept the experiences of someone who has had both in-depth talks with his mother, who spent all of her childhood in Japan as well as being fully Japanese, or listening to the observations and experiences of myself while in Japan. Oh, I also mentioned I studied Japanese culture for a year, right...?
Perhaps it would be better if I got my mother to explain Japanese culture to you, since you don't seem to believe a word I say because Im "From the UK" when I hold dual nationality and both nations passports? But of course, to you this isn't proof of decendancy. Shame that, it is in legal terms...
Quote:So you're saying that the NPC faction is OORP now?
Partially, yes.
Anyway, farbeit from me to convince you otherwise in any of your dealings. I'll continue to support Unselie in this matter.
' Wrote:I knew you wouldn't accept anything that I said.
Tell me why I should 'accept' something that contradicts the NPC faction's lore and RP..
You'd find me less abrasive if you weren't coming in and acting as if you know everything about another faction. It's even worse when what you told us we did wrong was exactly what our NPC faction's lore and RP says we should do. If you did more research on the faction before trying to say the players are RPing it wrongly, you'd find me more receptive. Reading a faction's infocard gives you about 5% of the information about it.. It isn't sufficient. I don't try to tell the Gaians what they should or shouldn't do as Gaians, because I don't know much about them.. I just would like you to do the same in regards to us.
And, personally, I don't put much stock in what someone says about our player factions when their opinion is that our NPC faction is OORP.