Liners

[EisenSeele]

I'ld say give them cruiser guns, 1000 cargo and cruiser shields and immunity to get pirated and OH OH TRALALA

Get a frikkin Geb and trade in it.

But now seriously, why is it a problem to have an expensive ship that is luxurious for a reason and is expensive for a reason and transports usually consumer goods and personnel?

Right since the prison liners and the slave liners cost so much cause someone's gotta pay the spa massage girls and the gold plated caviar makers :/

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[Exsiled_one]

I never liked the design of prison liner anyway, it looked almost the same as a damn luxury liner just without some additions. Imo it should be box like ship with no windows.

Slave liner.. dunno if it's expensive. That thing is a beast. Slap a cap8 on it, 11 guns and one gunboat or bomber escort and you're a force to be reckoned with.

I always pictured liners more as a symbol of profit and money than a ship to actually make serious cash in.

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[n00bl3t]

I'ld say give them cruiser guns, 1000 cargo and cruiser shields and immunity to get pirated and OH OH TRALALA

Get a frikkin Geb and trade in it.

But now seriously, why is it a problem to have an expensive ship that is luxurious for a reason and is expensive for a reason and transports usually consumer goods and personnel?

What reason would that be? (I was tempted to get a picture of me trading in my Geb to post up.)

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[Tytanis]

I think Liners should have Dual Shields...like a Positron-Gravitron shield or other mixes. Should cost a fortune though =)

[tansytansey]

I never liked the design of prison liner anyway, it looked almost the same as a damn luxury liner just without some additions.

Well duh. Read it's info card. Prison liners are decomissioned Liners that have been retrofitted for prisoner transport.

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[Cosmos]

I recently bought a Bretonian Royal Cruise Liner(See my sig)

I must say I love the ship, I only have a regular armour VIII at the moment but that increases my hull to 400k, with 700/700 BBs i gotta say that's about 1 mill hull, which is pretty awesome.

I admit that the cargo hold is -Very- small for a ship that cost me 230 Million (Most expensive Transport in the game)
But I like to Role play in the ship, It takes people ages to kill me, I nearly killed a hessian Gunboat that tried pirating me, then he gave up!

The thing with Liners and the OSC are...You can go nearly anywhere and Role play in a liner.
You can have Tourists in your hold and go to Omega 49 and Role play, Heck I think we're allowed in Gallia to Role play.

I admit it would be nice to get a little buff on my liner.
But..I like it how it is, She's tough..She can pack a punch and its a great RP ship.

If you wana come Role play with me, Just send me a message in game and we'll have a laugh.

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[EisenSeele]

I recently bought a Bretonian Royal Cruise Liner(See my sig)

I must say I love the ship, I only have a regular armour VIII at the moment but that increases my hull to 400k, with 700/700 BBs i gotta say that's about 1 mill hull, which is pretty awesome.

I admit that the cargo hold is -Very- small for a ship that cost me 230 Million (Most expensive Transport in the game)
But I like to Role play in the ship, It takes people ages to kill me, I nearly killed a hessian Gunboat that tried pirating me, then he gave up!

The thing with Liners and the OSC are...You can go nearly anywhere and Role play in a liner.
You can have Tourists in your hold and go to Omega 49 and Role play, Heck I think we're allowed in Gallia to Role play.

I admit it would be nice to get a little buff on my liner.
But..I like it how it is, She's tough..She can pack a punch and its a great RP ship.

Yeah, they are pretty sweet, and awesome for RP but could use a buff

If you wana come Role play with me, Just send me a message in game and we'll have a laugh.

Err :/ If you want your royal cruise liner to be seen with a junker Pilgrim then sure

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[Token]

Alright, I hate to grave-dig, but I just recently got a Liner myself and I felt like weighing in.
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Power Core: I Think something like a {300,000u-30,000u/s} sized power-plant needs to be on these things, mostly because, Gunboats(which are on average 1/4 the size of liners) somehow have larger power cores. Now granted, the Liners are transports, but size alone would dictate there's more room for a larger power core. Heck you can fit like 4 Gulls in the space a slave liner engine compartment makes up, the PC has got to be a lot bigger just to run something like that. However as civilian vessels I don't think they should be able to match a GB, just a larger PC than any transport(save the salvager)

Turrets: No Gunboat Turrets- RP wise the Liners are civilian ships, cruiser sized, but Civilian nonetheless; as such Military grade Gunboat weapons should not be mounted on a Liner. my suggestion is this: introduce a "Basic Liner Turret(Class 7)"{with the same model as a basic GB turret}, that's somewhere in between a GB turret and where the average Transport turret is;
something like:
[H dmg--S dmg---Refire-----Range---Speed----Energy---H dps----S dps-----E used/s]
[1200----600------2.00------1000m---1100m/s--3000-----2400-----1200-----6000]
{and make the Slave Liner Turret's match}

the Energy usage would deter any regular old transport from mounting it up, and suddenly the Liners have a viable weapon that isn't quite military grade. of course you might want to introduce a shield buster that'd be somewhere in line with The Liner Turret:
Liner Pulse Turret(Class 7){Same model as a GB Pulse turret or a Transport Pulse turret}
[H dmg--S dmg---Refire-----Range---Speed----Energy---H dps----S dps-----E used/s]
[200------1750----2.00------1000m---600m/s--4000-------400-------3500-----8000]

once again, more of a punch than anything a transport can use effectively yet not quite Military.

Now because of the Number of Turrets that liners have(9 or 11) these changes could potentially greatly up there overall effectiveness in a fights, even making them capable of going toe to toe with GB(though I doubt it unless the GB captain is asleep) and I say, so what: Liners are effectively Civilian Cap ships in size and utility, they should be far more capable in a fight than something like a Shire or Akegata.

Shields: If it's possible I actually like the Idea of mounting two Class 7 shields, it makes sense in a "we can't put Military Grade(GB) shields so instead we just coupled two Civilian shield generators up to each other" kind of way. Now of course the problem with this is it brings a Liners' total shield power up to 200,000 with multiple types, however, the regen is still slower than a GB, and keep in mind, a Liner is massive compared to a GB, it's bound to have a stronger initial defense.

Armor: I really don't think this needs to be changes as it stands they're pretty close to cruisers/destroyers, I don't think anyone's complaining about Liner Armor.

Cargo Space/Restriction: considering how only a few ID's give access to Liners these days I think making these changes wouldn't hurt the balance too much, if you feel like somehow this is unbalanced I suppose you could drop the cargo space slightly, but no less than 2800 for any of them.

ON A SIDE NOTE: If nothing happens to Liners I wouldn't be particularly upset, However, I'd like to see the Prison Liners B/B go up to 700 and it's Powerplant increase to the same as the other Liners, if you need to increase the price to 150,000,000 I wouldn't mind, I just want to be competative with other Liners.
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that's just my 2 cents on the subject, hope y'all enjoyed it

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