Question on pirating

[valen]

Problem is, you wrote more than I did, and essentially said the same thing. He asked if someone can be pirated in the same system more than once, yes? And he can, unless you can enlighten me. I simply said that it's the trader's fault that he allowed himself to be pirated again.

Second thing. Someone said that a BMM miner can't go do anything else, because it's his RP to be in Dublin. I simply said otherwise. Why can't a miner be pirate more than once? If he's pirated once, and we want to think inRP, he'd call in his escorts, or even the police depending which is more available. So, tell me, why can't a miner be pirated more than once in the same system? I see nothing against it. I'm not saying it's fair, nor anything similar, but it's allowed. And I ain't even saying in what time interval the piracy took place. It's not okay if you pirate a miner twice in 20 minutes, but twice in 2 hours is fine.

A miner can be a hauler? K. Hire escorts then, and we're done here. Problem is people trying to avoid being pirated by implementing new rules to give them a brake, because they're to greedy to hire escorts and pay pirates.

So, instead of me just trolling, and having short posts, you came here and just said no no no no. And then I'm the one trolling? Heh, funny. My tl;dr was directed at the several posts answered before mine, meaning, if the answer was already given I've not seen it, not the thread opener's post.

Exactly what did I say that is wrong? Please, show us the truth good man.

EDIT: I've found my mistake!! I said boron instead of beryllium! Sorry!!!

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[cmfalconer]

Oh joy.

Problem is, you wrote more than I did, and essentially said the same thing. He asked if someone can be pirated in the same system more than once, yes? And he can, unless you can enlighten me. I simply said that it's the trader's fault that he allowed himself to be pirated again.

Yes, but where I said it with intelligence, grace, and a hint of wit, you blurted out garbage like a vomiting hyena. Yes, you most likely can pirate someone, in the same system, in the same area, more than once. Under the right circumstances. You, however, are again mistaking the difference between a miner and a trader. They are not one and the same. Please do make the distinction in the future.

Second thing. Someone said that a BMM miner can't go do anything else, because it's his RP to be in Dublin. I simply said otherwise. Why can't a miner be pirate more than once? If he's pirated once, and we want to think inRP, he'd call in his escorts, or even the police depending which is more available. So, tell me, why can't a miner be pirated more than once in the same system? I see nothing against it. I'm not saying it's fair, nor anything similar, but it's allowed. And I ain't even saying in what time interval the piracy took place. It's not okay if you pirate a miner twice in 20 minutes, but twice in 2 hours is fine.

Excellent! The "get escorts" argument. Always helpful, always right. Wait...it's not always right? Surely you jest. Oh, but I'm quite serious old bean. Escorts are not to be always found, be they mercs, police, military, company, or otherwise, ingame. And, if they are, you many not get quality. And, if they are, they still may not be enough. I see you did not refer to the thread referenced in my previous post. I again implore you to read through there, and my responses, before blowing smoke up my proverbial arse again.

To your second point...in your second point...Where do you draw the line? How do you arbitrarily say when enough time has elapsed to extort more credits? Would you like to put that in a rule? Another rule to follow? Or would you like to include it in PvP abuse? Or would you like to loop it into 1.2? Or the mythical "rule" 0.0?

A miner can be a hauler? K. Hire escorts then, and we're done here. Problem is people trying to avoid being pirated by implementing new rules to give them a brake, because they're to greedy to hire escorts and pay pirates.

See the first part of your second point for this little nugget. How is a trader or miner being "too greedy" when they are looking out for their credits? How is this not in RP? I'll grant you that the pirate is also in RP to be looking out after his/her bottom line as well, but it's apparent that for a trader or miner to be looking after their wealth is considered bad form. Noted.

So, instead of me just trolling, and having short posts, you came here and just said no no no no. And then I'm the one trolling? Heh, funny. My tl;dr was directed at the several posts answered before mine, meaning, if the answer was already given I've not seen it, not the thread opener's post.

No, I pointed out several instances where your lack of information and an either inability or unwillingness to do your homework can be quite the detriment to the community as a whole. I am willing to be big credits you did not, before posting your retort, bother to look up information on mining in the wiki or the mining guide, nor did you bother to reference the previous topic, where as stated, I said my peace. Instead of taking up more forum space with the exact same arguments, I find it's easier to reference. Apparently it is a wrong assumption on my part to expect that when referenced for the benefit of a discussion, said participants in the discussion would in fact reference the materials provided. Noted.

Exactly what did I say that is wrong? Please, show us the truth good man.

EDIT: I've found my mistake!! I said boron instead of beryllium! Sorry!!!

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[pruskis92]

I say, if pirate stopped you - it's your fault. Pay or die.

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[dodike]

How about miner and pirate agreeing how long will a certain tax guarantee him safe mining from the pirate?

Let's say pirate extort the miner for 5 million credits. Miner will ask how long will the "protection" last. They will agree on one hour. Pirate is therefore not allowed to touch the miner in question for the time agreed on.

How is that?

[Syrus]

Wrong and wrong. But you know that. I'll refer you to This Thread for my comments on both of your points, specifically pages 9, 11, and 15. I suggest you read them carefully, and think before you type.

So, tell me, where am I wrong?
I read your posts, and I think we almost thought about the same stuff.
I think you need to read that again, since I didn't say anything about there already being a rule, I said there should BE one. And in other threads I said before that rule shouldn't tell you a specific number, it should say "reasonable demands".

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[valen]

Yes, but where I said it with intelligence, grace, and a hint of wit, you blurted out garbage like a vomiting hyena. Yes, you most likely can pirate someone, in the same system, in the same area, more than once. Under the right circumstances. You, however, are again mistaking the difference between a miner and a trader. They are not one and the same. Please do make the distinction in the future.

My first first point. So you're intelligent, and I'm not because I simplify things in a hyenic way. I hope you can sleep better now. (sun)

First second point. What difference does it make. We said the same thing, and you admit it. I explained it with a one-liner while you expanded your explanation. Big deal.

Never said a miner and a trader are the same thing. But think of it this way. A pirate approaches the miner, ask for credits to leave him alone, continues sweeping the system. Comes back another time, sees the same miner and goes "Oh my, never thought you'd be that stupid to remain here without protection." What's soooo wrong with this? If you think someone broke the 1.2 because the time interval between piracies was not long enough, report him and let the admins decide.

Excellent! The "get escorts" argument. Always helpful, always right. Wait...it's not always right? Surely you jest. Oh, but I'm quite serious old bean. Escorts are not to be always found, be they mercs, police, military, company, or otherwise, ingame. And, if they are, you many not get quality. And, if they are, they still may not be enough. I see you did not refer to the thread referenced in my previous post. I again implore you to read through there, and my responses, before blowing smoke up my proverbial arse again.

Second first point. It's not always right. But you can always rely on it.

To your second point...in your second point...Where do you draw the line? How do you arbitrarily say when enough time has elapsed to extort more credits? Would you like to put that in a rule? Another rule to follow? Or would you like to include it in PvP abuse? Or would you like to loop it into 1.2? Or the mythical "rule" 0.0?

First third point. That's up for the admins to decide, no? If it harms server gameplay, or is having a huge impact on your play, you can report for pvp abuse/1.2 or even speed-dial 0.0.

See the first part of your second point for this little nugget. How is a trader or miner being "too greedy" when they are looking out for their credits? How is this not in RP? I'll grant you that the pirate is also in RP to be looking out after his/her bottom line as well, but it's apparent that for a trader or miner to be looking after their wealth is considered bad form. Noted.

Hard to imagine a company as huge as BMM wouldn't be able to have 2 escorts per mining ship. If it's a private miner, well then, it's a dangerous job and some pirates lack a few brain cells or actually don't care if you'll earn anything. InRP, it doesn't make sense that you can't be pirated twice.

When I said greedy I meant the player. That is why we have approximately 2 threads per day on how we should restrict pirates in their demands or something similar.

No, I pointed out several instances where your lack of information and an either inability or unwillingness to do your homework can be quite the detriment to the community as a whole. I am willing to be big credits you did not, before posting your retort, bother to look up information on mining in the wiki or the mining guide, nor did you bother to reference the previous topic, where as stated, I said my peace. Instead of taking up more forum space with the exact same arguments, I find it's easier to reference. Apparently it is a wrong assumption on my part to expect that when referenced for the benefit of a discussion, said participants in the discussion would in fact reference the materials provided. Noted.

Lost my point, but I'm sure you've counted them. So you're really basing your argument on how little I know of mining or how I need my homework before posting something which the thread is not even about? Because I said a miner is not a hauler, which is partially true, depends on the player, or because I mistook beryllium for boron? Heh.

I know a few things about mining, I'd say enough even. The post where I said that I'm not a powermine was induced by alcohol, yes. But doesn't change the fact that you and I, said the same thing, yet you're fighting over how I say more in less. Right.

My first third point. Exactly what did I say that is wrong? Please, show us the truth good man.

EDIT: I've found my mistake!! I said boron instead of beryllium! Sorry!!!

Should've wrote [/sarcasm] at the end.

I say, if pirate stopped you - it's your fault. Pay or die.

Essentially, this.

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[William Frederick Cody]

Why not? It's the trader's fault that he's so stupid to be pirated again, in the same system, by the same pirate.

In doubt, you better pay..

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[Govedo13]

Excellent! The "get escorts" argument. Always helpful, always right.

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How is a trader or miner being "too greedy" when they are looking out for their credits? How is this not in RP?

Oh joy.

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So it is traders/miners fault.....Question Answered I guess.

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I don't see the problem if the trader/miner uses the same route/mining spot over and over - it's their fault.

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[silverleaf]

Would have been different if someone was targeting another person and stalking across known space, but to fellow traders out there, how about ensuring system is clear before heading straight in? Do you really think you can avoid the camp in a chokepoint system with no other way round? Or you can hop in a fighter and try blowing him to smithereens, but chances are you will fail against a gang.

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