The Big Ones, their amount and a possible solution

[hypermauler]

I do have a question: What do you consider a capital ship in your proposal?

Let me clarify: Beyond the obvious Battleship grade, are the cruisers included and are the gunboat included?

Oh, and by the way I approve the idea, even if that cost me some of my ships,
because ''of the already said billion time''.

One thing to consider, granted unoficial faction should have a minimum of allowed capital ships right, since it represent a portion of a faction, it would be wrong to give them the averaze joe right.




On a side note, I believe, its part of discovery, and thats the kind of decision where most have to agree with ( which I doubt).
By the way,, aren't cap something new players wish, I mean its something attractive, and until they are more permanent member, they gotta enjoy the game by some ways,.

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[Feldspar]

look at it from the 'lolwut' perspective. would you be willing to deprive the pride and joy of an eager new player who just bought a shiny new cap that he takes immeasurable pride in so you can make the game more realistic?

I do agree that in some situations caps are overused and can cause lolwutish behavior, I think the same can be said about fighters... talk about overused, and even lolwuts are using them! how lame is that? maybe we should just make all ships SRP only.

would you give a 7 year old control of a nuclear submarine (metaphor for caps)? hell no - that's unrealistic!

what about a million dollar military jet fighter (metaphor for fighters)? yes - it contributes to realism

is our goal to create a mod that accurately reflects realism? then cut out jump gates, trade lanes, docking rings, hell space combat at all is unrealistic... lets play for fun.

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[casero]

Also from what I've seen, most of the KNF/BAF fights in Leeds are with capital ships, due to the fact KNF is nearly dead.

No, they are done with capital ships, because it's the only way to get BAF attention without having to run to skype and yell at them to get to leeds. Anyone with access to their emergency channel can tell you if the channel gets bumped when I go there with my fighter, or when [KNF]IKN-Edo logs on, or lately Jarek_KNF.
And when we go with fighters... well... let's say that you don't see many indies on -fighters- to fight you back.

(This is proven, because in .84 we, the Outcasts, beat down every indie cap that didn't register for approval, and the playerbase did not suffer for it at all. The same applies for other factions who did this in .84)

Not all the factions did that, and people who got their ships destroyed just switched to another faction or renamed their ships. Granted, many learned, many stayed the same, many -stay- the same.

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

This is all very funny. I'll just have to repeat some points and actually agree with Dab!

Trying to be 'anonymus' only further proves even you have little faith in your idea, why not just come on your main and say it? Because you know it will be shot down/disliked by the majority of the community.

If you put this measure in (highly doubt it as Igiss will one-hit-KO all of you with his mighty broken vodka bottle) You WILL lose 30-50% of your playerbase. And you will NOT be getting it back.

Ever. Not even if you call little johnny from down the street to try out this 'new' 'fun' 'exiting' game called Freelancer with the BEST graphics in the entire universe.

Why not just implement what JihadJoe had said, I dont have the original quote but he said something like if they get sanctioned due to a cap related offense (like shooting at a transport, or shooting without notification... etc etc) they get warnings/sanctioned and eventually (faster than Megavolt) they'll be starflead.

Oh right, and not everyone think's ganking is bad. In fact, its not even a rule! How about that! Sounds like you're pushing your 'morallity' [directed to noone in particular, just saying] on other people. Just. Like. Religion.

Now crucify me.

[Valinor]

To add something more, i want to play the game, i want to roleplay my capital ship in game, i don't want to be forced to come on the forum to write a bio, officer names and so on (you want to know the bio? When you meet in game, you'll know it).


And i would like to quote again what Dab and snoozzzer said, because i agree with them.

You have problems with some indies? Nothing deny you the right to report that to the admins and to use the FR5, right?

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[tansytansey]

Far too much beurocracy in this idea.

Remember that our admins are unpaid and overworked. They do not need more work on top of that. They have lives and they have jobs, this is supposed to be their fun retreat? They're already martyrs for the community, lets try not to make their lives a living hell.

Further more, the majority of the 'problems' with capital ships are just percieved problems. They aren't really problems, people just like to complain out of envy or spite or whatever.

Capital Ships are not a problem. And this is not a solution.

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[DarthBindo]

Adjucator
Good to know you are completely unable to read a entire thread.
Two of the authors have come out.
At a good portion of you.
Good to know so many of you are incapable of responding thoughtfully to what appears to be a very well-crafted idea, one that specifically invites discussion.

FACTIONLANCER DO NOT WANT

Isnt a response.
Its a cop out to prevent having to explain yourself.

Now that my rage has subsided (and yes that was me being angry), onto the topic.
(Forumlolwuts, this is how you craft a response. Take it from a English teacher, kay?)
Introduction
I have to agree with Jameson and the others about bringing back stronger faction command rights.
Thesis:
Almost every faction in the game represents a government of one form or another.
it simply makes sense, that these factions have command over those of "lower rank", and be able to severely punish them.
Background/problem
Now, lets look more in depth, shall we?
The issues i am seeing brought up here are these: Lolwut caps, freedom to own caps, Faction rights, Independent rights, and capspam.
Specifically, the problem is lolwut caps causing problems, with some proposing a restriction on independents as a whole.
I think we can all agree that A) Lolwuts need to be curtailed, and taught. B)Factions can't run everything, and C)Independents should still be under the control of Factions.
As it stands now, the only control on Lolwut caps is the money. (il believe)
Factions have power only over those that break vanilla rp.
Independents have the power to completely screw over factions rp. (SEE ANARCHISTS AND THE MUDD FP1 INCIDENT FOR ADMINS SAKE)
I think it can also be agreed that Factions need to be able to curtail the excesses of independents, at their discretion, while still allowing they to be...well...independent.
Add to this the fact that almost all lolwuts are independents and presto.
It becomes one issue.
Factions Vs. Independents.
Potential solution
I think that the best course of action would not be to require paperwork for everybody, but rather give recourse to factions to punish transgressors even more severely than fr5. Sort of like a starfleastrip fr5.
Where a faction leader could petition the admins to have a lolwut stripped of their factions capital with enough evidence of lolwuttery and misuse of caps, regardless of any rulebreaking. That way the rule doesnt have to be remembered to play well, only remembered if things go wrong.
Also, i submit that i believe that faction players should have the ability to straightout give orders to indies.
But thats a whole different issue.
Conclusion
I say again, almost every faction in the game represents a government of one form or another.
It simply makes sense, that these factions have command over those of "lower rank", and be able to severely punish them.
We dont have to regulate the non lolwuts. they can go do their thing. We only have to punish the ones who step over the line.
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[Not Espi]

Ashes, I might sound like and envious prick here, but basically - matter of fact, I am envious of it, so np - I would love to see Corsair Guard ID being similar to the old Molly / Rogue Guard ID's in terms of ship restriction. As well as Jameson would probably like to see the Outcast one not allowing anything bigger than a gunboat.

That was what I was originally after, but it was simply pushing it too far. Or was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hPcqbeqL5E

[DarthBindo]

A Question although this may not be the right place, it however, is most certainly relevant, especially in relation to Ashes's post.
Do the Admins with all knowing power and the right to go over sanctions and rule our fair server have to be the same ones who do the grunt paperwork of non-critical things like SRPs and such?
Does it HAVE to be the faction leader who does ALL of the paperwork for the entire faction?
Cant anybody here delegate tasks?
I am sure there are plenty of people who would be willing to take on extra tasks and feel like they are contributing, and can be trusted with a small modicum of power, subject to Real Admin/faction leader oversight.
It takes a lot less time to check someone elses work than to do the work yourself.
EDIT:This is not a shameless personal plug so Ezio de la Francesca can become Elder Montoya's personal secretary.
I totally hate paperwork. Yup. H-A-T-E it. Also, i do not understand sarcasm, or the concept of an oddly specific denial.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Not Espi]

it's a trust thing. would you trust me with such a task if you were and admin? would i trust you? i am clearly biased on this issue. i'm not denying that. it makes my skin crawl when i see 7 legates in one place. corsairs - the faction that can't feed itself but somehow finds resources to build and maintain several dozen ships that have the size of a small moon.

rail.

so now that you know - would you trust me with such a task, being an admin? same can apply to everyone else here. of course one can try to be neutral, but were just men and women with our own little flaws and opinions . thats why not everyone would have to vote in the proposed system. some would see the good stuff in it and give a thumb up. and just those few are enough.