You guys have some issues with metagaming and respecting server rules.
How come that once I find a 5ker to pirate, a WSC bomber instantly logs and enters in the same group as the trader, even more, he literally comes to support the trader by saying only: "engage". Further more, I have been shadowlogged by your gunboats, inside bretonia space. Make your mind straight pal, I am not agreeing with what you did for a random trader.
(07-16-2017, 12:16 PM)=Sharky= Wrote: You guys have some issues with metagaming and respecting server rules.
How come that once I find a 5ker to pirate, a WSC bomber instantly logs and enters in the same group as the trader, even more, he literally comes to support the trader by saying only: "engage". Further more, I have been shadowlogged by your gunboats, inside bretonia space. Make your mind straight pal, I am not agreeing with what you did for a random trader.
(07-16-2017, 12:16 PM)=Sharky= Wrote: You guys have some issues with metagaming and respecting server rules.
How come that once I find a 5ker to pirate, a WSC bomber instantly logs and enters in the same group as the trader, even more, he literally comes to support the trader by saying only: "engage". Further more, I have been shadowlogged by your gunboats, inside bretonia space. Make your mind straight pal, I am not agreeing with what you did for a random trader.
Whait What explain better?
Lemme rephrase better:
I do piracy in Omega-3, I am on a Pilgrim Liner, after 30minutes of waiting, I find a Shetland 5ker carrying Aluminium Ore. I demand the cargo, the trader completely refuses. I demand again, he refuses. I started losing my patience there, and in the end of the interaction, I started opening fire. After 2 minutes, in the middle of the fight, a WSC bomber named [WSC]-V.F-knezmario1 or something similar, appears out of nowhere, saying only one single word " engage" followed by him opening fire. Once I killed the trader and your friend, I deduced he was shadowlogging, since he insta logged after the trader got attacked.
After the fight was over, I headed to Souhampton to sell the ore, on the way there, guess what I find, same player, but with a gunboat. Ordering me to stop(fun fact, Freelancers have no authority to do orders). What I saw there was pure metagaming, since the character inRP couldn't have known about the incident in Omega-3, since there were no survivors except me. That thing is called metagaming.
There is a clear rule about engagement, which states you need to roleplay before engaging. Saying only "halt" or "Engaging" is not enough, thus, leading to engaging without role play. Do you want anything else?
(07-16-2017, 12:16 PM)=Sharky= Wrote: You guys have some issues with metagaming and respecting server rules.
How come that once I find a 5ker to pirate, a WSC bomber instantly logs and enters in the same group as the trader, even more, he literally comes to support the trader by saying only: "engage". Further more, I have been shadowlogged by your gunboats, inside bretonia space. Make your mind straight pal, I am not agreeing with what you did for a random trader.
Whait What explain better?
Lemme rephrase better:
I do piracy in Omega-3, I am on a Pilgrim Liner, after 30minutes of waiting, I find a Shetland 5ker carrying Aluminium Ore. I demand the cargo, the trader completely refuses. I demand again, he refuses. I started losing my patience there, and in the end of the interaction, I started opening fire. After 2 minutes, in the middle of the fight, a WSC bomber named [WSC]-V.F-knezmario1 or something similar, appears out of nowhere, saying only one single word " engage" followed by him opening fire. Once I killed the trader and your friend, I deduced he was shadowlogging, since he insta logged after the trader got attacked.
After the fight was over, I headed to Souhampton to sell the ore, on the way there, guess what I find, same player, but with a gunboat. Ordering me to stop(fun fact, Freelancers have no authority to do orders). What I saw there was pure metagaming, since the character inRP couldn't have known about the incident in Omega-3, since there were no survivors except me. That thing is called metagaming.
There is a clear rule about engagement, which states you need to roleplay before engaging. Saying only "halt" or "Engaging" is not enough, thus, leading to engaging without role play. Do you want anything else?
Yea i gotcha what you want to say, i will talk to him and punish him for that i see he didnt even RP to engage just write Engage and attack i will talk to him and punish him for that thanks for that info sir.
(07-16-2017, 12:16 PM)=Sharky= Wrote: You guys have some issues with metagaming and respecting server rules.
How come that once I find a 5ker to pirate, a WSC bomber instantly logs and enters in the same group as the trader, even more, he literally comes to support the trader by saying only: "engage". Further more, I have been shadowlogged by your gunboats, inside bretonia space. Make your mind straight pal, I am not agreeing with what you did for a random trader.
Whait What explain better?
Lemme rephrase better:
I do piracy in Omega-3, I am on a Pilgrim Liner, after 30minutes of waiting, I find a Shetland 5ker carrying Aluminium Ore. I demand the cargo, the trader completely refuses. I demand again, he refuses. I started losing my patience there, and in the end of the interaction, I started opening fire. After 2 minutes, in the middle of the fight, a WSC bomber named [WSC]-V.F-knezmario1 or something similar, appears out of nowhere, saying only one single word " engage" followed by him opening fire. Once I killed the trader and your friend, I deduced he was shadowlogging, since he insta logged after the trader got attacked.
After the fight was over, I headed to Souhampton to sell the ore, on the way there, guess what I find, same player, but with a gunboat. Ordering me to stop(fun fact, Freelancers have no authority to do orders). What I saw there was pure metagaming, since the character inRP couldn't have known about the incident in Omega-3, since there were no survivors except me. That thing is called metagaming.
There is a clear rule about engagement, which states you need to roleplay before engaging. Saying only "halt" or "Engaging" is not enough, thus, leading to engaging without role play. Do you want anything else?
Hey man i got to quote you "After the fight was over, I headed to Souhampton to sell the ore, on the way there, guess what I find, same player, but with a gunboat." that wasn't same player it was other man i talk to him and he didnt change to Gunboat, i wll talk to other player and i will punish him too.
First of all, don't let anything demotivate you. Take your time and enjoy playing freelancer as much as you did. It might have been too early for officialdom, yet remember - it's just a game, which is meant to be a source of entertainment for it's players. Hang around, try to improve your english a bit and enjoy this piece of pixels we all call our home
So you biting off more than you can chew in-RP caused you to OoRPly disband the faction? Am I hearing this right?
Here's a tip: Space is dangerous. You're gonna get shot at regardless.
When the Courbe I was flying with demanded the 5 million fine that set this whole mess in motion, that was an RP consequence of admitting to supply Bretonians, whomever they may be. Then you *cough* violated your ID lines *cough* to engage GRN assisting the BAF with no payment publicly offered. I even offered to pay you to assist us against the Bretonians.
[05.07.2017 19:44:50] [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes: Five million says you can back me up, WSC boys. Furthermore, with the RP clearly directed at CR and BAF, this line here is questionable at best
[05.07.2017 19:48:58] =CR=Nighthammer: Dont let Mary escape!
[05.07.2017 19:49:00] =CR=Blitz: tautology
[05.07.2017 19:49:06] =CR=Nighthammer: Weapons Hot!
[05.07.2017 19:49:13] [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes: Let's dance
[05.07.2017 19:49:13] [RN]-RNS-Conquerant: assisting mary
[05.07.2017 19:49:18] [WSC]-VF.Federal: Engaging
[05.07.2017 19:49:25] [WSC]-V.F.Wiggin: roger that This is beyond [WSC]; this is about how well you expect to personally do on the server. I understand you were mildly upset over a 5 million fine, but bringing 4 snubs to assist another 3 snubs against 2 snubs is NOT COOL. Oh, also the two of you, knezmario and someone else, who engaged without roleplay. I know this because he was a Sunrider shooting at my face.
[05.07.2017 19:56:52] Death: [WSC]-V.F.knezmario1 was put out of action by [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes (Gun). In short, [WSC] needs a lot of work to be successful.
You could simply become Gallic vassals. Be all "Yeah, we want to join the winning team of the Kingdom of Gallia", and we'll welcome you with open arms. We're not on some lolwut crusade to ruin everyone's fun; we're here to prosecute our claim on all the space in our ZOI.
If this appears harsh and judgemental, I'm sorry, but simply disbanding the faction is about the worst thing you can do. If you disband now, almost on the eve of a promised fight, it looks like you're simply disbanding to doj RP consequences, which is the equivalent of remaking your ship to avoid a FR5 as an indie. If you want to ever get near official faction status, you'll have to accept that what you do has consequences. In the case of [RN] gunning for you, when your boss says to me "We supply Bretonians," I hear "We support your mortal enemies, however indirectly, and have nothing to offer you."
tl;dr Your members need to brush up on the rules and you should keep [WSC] around because it now has enemies aplenty, in stark contrast to its situation a few weeks ago. Or you could become a Gallic vassal. That's always fun RP.
We are the Gauls. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
(07-19-2017, 09:42 PM)Exodite Asmodai Wrote: So you biting off more than you can chew in-RP caused you to OoRPly disband the faction? Am I hearing this right?
Here's a tip: Space is dangerous. You're gonna get shot at regardless.
When the Courbe I was flying with demanded the 5 million fine that set this whole mess in motion, that was an RP consequence of admitting to supply Bretonians, whomever they may be. Then you *cough* violated your ID lines *cough* to engage GRN assisting the BAF with no payment publicly offered. I even offered to pay you to assist us against the Bretonians.
[05.07.2017 19:44:50] [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes: Five million says you can back me up, WSC boys. Furthermore, with the RP clearly directed at CR and BAF, this line here is questionable at best
[05.07.2017 19:48:58] =CR=Nighthammer: Dont let Mary escape!
[05.07.2017 19:49:00] =CR=Blitz: tautology
[05.07.2017 19:49:06] =CR=Nighthammer: Weapons Hot!
[05.07.2017 19:49:13] [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes: Let's dance
[05.07.2017 19:49:13] [RN]-RNS-Conquerant: assisting mary
[05.07.2017 19:49:18] [WSC]-VF.Federal: Engaging
[05.07.2017 19:49:25] [WSC]-V.F.Wiggin: roger that This is beyond [WSC]; this is about how well you expect to personally do on the server. I understand you were mildly upset over a 5 million fine, but bringing 4 snubs to assist another 3 snubs against 2 snubs is NOT COOL. Oh, also the two of you, knezmario and someone else, who engaged without roleplay. I know this because he was a Sunrider shooting at my face.
[05.07.2017 19:56:52] Death: [WSC]-V.F.knezmario1 was put out of action by [RN]-Mary-Anne.Reyes (Gun). In short, [WSC] needs a lot of work to be successful.
You could simply become Gallic vassals. Be all "Yeah, we want to join the winning team of the Kingdom of Gallia", and we'll welcome you with open arms. We're not on some lolwut crusade to ruin everyone's fun; we're here to prosecute our claim on all the space in our ZOI.
If this appears harsh and judgemental, I'm sorry, but simply disbanding the faction is about the worst thing you can do. If you disband now, almost on the eve of a promised fight, it looks like you're simply disbanding to doj RP consequences, which is the equivalent of remaking your ship to avoid a FR5 as an indie. If you want to ever get near official faction status, you'll have to accept that what you do has consequences. In the case of [RN] gunning for you, when your boss says to me "We supply Bretonians," I hear "We support your mortal enemies, however indirectly, and have nothing to offer you."
tl;dr Your members need to brush up on the rules and you should keep [WSC] around because it now has enemies aplenty, in stark contrast to its situation a few weeks ago. Or you could become a Gallic vassal. That's always fun RP.
We are the Gauls. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
Okey i disbanded faction because story and all stuff wasnt so good we are stsrting new more better it is in progress and about rp i never saw RN guy rp with us when he aproach and you telling us we are not good in rp and you guys dont even use it whanna se real rp come to skype and lets rp.
Okay so, lemme get this right. You made a faction gathered ONLY by newbies, not even ONE veteran at least. You made a lore that was more or less crapped(which could have been repaired easely), and you lie to us? Really?
I am sorry for giving this hostile feedback, though I have nothing personal with you.
But you guys either correct your members, or kick them out. Choose which aide you choose? Smuggling, or legal trading? You can't have both.
If you can't ask for support, if you can't correct your members and truly punish them(I have told you about knezmario and that GB, nothing has changed, each interaction was a complete FAIL for them, and a loss of time for me trying to show them how stuff works), accept the bad feedbacks and transform them in a way to IMPROVE you(not to return fire in some lame way). If you can't do any of these, you should not be a faction at all. I understand a faction doing one, two, three or ten mistakes...but really? Persisting in same mistakes worse and WORSE??? How literally incompetent can someone be? Not even a complete newbie does that. And I saw enough of newbies, which corrected their mistakes by good will or by force, but for you everything must be taken radical solutions?
Disbanding a faction was a VERY bad idea, instead of using the feedback to correct your faction.