(09-04-2017, 03:58 PM)Sici Wrote: Well, sorry, you asking them not to blame the admins. And then people are explaining why you are wrong.
My bad.
All right, then let me turn the question around on you. What exactly does blaming, 'meming' and otherwise harassing and mocking the Admin team accomplish?
Makes you feel satisfied for making an internet person feel bad, and hopefully makes the person you want to quit the admin/mod/dev team quit the admin/dev/mod team. To put it bluntly.
Yeah, that's what it does. But is that actually good for you? Doesn't that just damage the community? Isn't that inherently a bad thing that flies in the very face of being a community?
(09-04-2017, 04:04 PM)Snoflek Wrote: I think anyone that's been here for at least a week, especially those active on Skype, Discord and Teamspeak are aware of this.
They naturally getting some criticism on those platforms yes. Some of them get more, some less, depending on quite objective circumstances. Why would you call it harassment is beyond me.
(09-04-2017, 03:58 PM)Sici Wrote: Well, sorry, you asking them not to blame the admins. And then people are explaining why you are wrong.
My bad.
All right, then let me turn the question around on you. What exactly does blaming, 'meming' and otherwise harassing and mocking the Admin team accomplish?
Makes you feel satisfied for making an internet person feel bad, and hopefully makes the person you want to quit the admin/mod/dev team quit the admin/dev/mod team. To put it bluntly.
Yeah, that's what it does. But is that actually good for you? Doesn't that just damage the community? Isn't that inherently a bad thing that flies in the very face of being a community?
It is good for you, but its not good for people that actually care about this whole thing. Even keeping in mind that its damaging for the community or whatever you're still going to do it. You're questioning human nature here.
Just as staff members are holding us up to certain standard, we wish to hold them onto same-or-higher standard. We are all part of the same community and most of us want this game and players to succeed. But when facing stone wall that is staff via month long SRPs, controversial rule changes or sanctions/warnings/bans and seeing highest level of stubbornness or ignorance at times, it is natural to get disappointed and being humans, we make the mistake of venting off it on forums or other platforms to voice our opinions and in the process alienate staff even further.
If anything, I can calmly state that I have suffered just enough of admin bullcrap ( from my POV ) in regards to my past bans based on unconventional unwritten rules and how they compare towards bigger straight-forward offences of other members with much lighter sanctions. And while it is in the past the damage is done and is now part of me as as a player here.
I have been part of ID-rewrite-project few years ago. I believe it died off due to "supervisor" inactivity. Back then I had the time, motivation, experience and knowledge to do all that singlehanded but faced the challenge of even getting that admin to answer question once in a week. Two/three years later the same old IDs are there. And two bans later I lost any motivation to put more effort above my personal fun on server whereas before I would have given my 100% to make Disco tiny bit better in bigger perspective.
So all in all, I don;t know. Maybe if the staff wouldn't make such blunt mistakes there wouldn't be so much friction between different parts of same community. But at the same time if players would be socially responsible and reasonably friendly we wouldn't need controversial rule changes or sanctions.
WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY. Just be respectful to each other. And if someone violates you, be the better person and deal with it via proper ways.
I don't think anyone should ever stop trying to hold admins accountable for their actions.
You should have stopped your thread after the second line - this is just another thread in a long line of obsequious and oily non-posts that we've all seen too much of already.
If there is a problem with the way staff do things, the one thing you can say about the community is that they're generally very good at letting them know it. There are always the toadies and ingratiating sorts who will mindlessly +1 anything written by people with green or orange names, of course, but thankfully they usually seem to get bulldozed out of the way sooner rather than later. Furthermore, although I'm hardly paying as much attention to Disco as I used to these days, I can't for the life of me imagine why you'd bother to make a thread like this at the current time. This isn't 2015/16 (or whenever it was, I can't even remember) when the staff was rattling off bad decision after bad decision like a gatling gun - from what I've seem, staff criticism is actually pretty low at the minute.
I'm curious as to what you hoped to accomplish with this post beyond looking like an attention-seeker. All you've done is tread out the same old sh*t we've all seen tens of times out again in as many words as you can manage.
If all you want is +1s and a feeling of validation, I can point you to a couple of Flood threads which are very good for getting that five second dose of acknowledgement.
What I want is probably impossible. I'd like everyone to treat each other kindly and with the utmost respect, which is unlikely even in the best of cases.
What I believe there is a hope of though is over all improvement. People actually trying to get along better with each other, rather than falling back to memes, silence and backroom hatred toward others.
I'd like problems to be dealt with more honestly and openly. I'd like people to take blame and try and fix problems that they've contributed to.
I want us to come together as one community. This won't be achieved by blaming one person or another, but by everyone active doing their part to make this a place worth coming to.
Because at the end of the day, if all you take away from Discovery is rage, 'salt' and bruised feelings, is it even worth it?
(09-04-2017, 04:30 PM)Snoflek Wrote: What I want is probably impossible. I'd like everyone to treat each other kindly and with the utmost respect, which is unlikely even in the best of cases.
What I believe there is a hope of though is over all improvement. People actually trying to get along better with each other, rather than falling back to memes, silence and backroom hatred toward others.
I'd like problems to be dealt with more honestly and openly. I'd like people to take blame and try and fix problems that they've contributed to.
I want us to come together as one community. This won't be achieved by blaming one person or another, but by everyone active doing their part to make this a place worth coming to.
Because at the end of the day, if all you take away from Discovery is rage, 'salt' and bruised feelings, is it even worth it?
I'd like that very highly myself. But some people can't seem to let it go and continue their attacks cause they find it fun.
Even with being attacked myself, I still want this community to thrive, heck I'm paying $5 a month for the server to keep running. I could gladly use that small bit of money elsewhere in my tight budget as it is.
We can do better, for those involved, yet at the same time I have to agree with snak3. My motivation to help more was cut down massively after the controversial banning on my character images by an admin who was around for less than a month.
I want to play because K'Hara/Oracle OFL is back, we have RP about precursors, there is a couple of SRPs I could potentially do, there are new things on the horizon, and, finally, I've got my Spatial with maximum BRRRRRRT loadout.
I don't know if I care about the community or want to slap it for toxicomania. Some people are hell-bent on gnawing at each other's throats and putting sticks into wheels.
The only people I am opposed to among the staff are those who hamper the progress of Disco's development.
Those who gave their five cents to make Alley quit, actually. I didn't really speak about it recently, however, and all the outbursts happened shortly after she left so it's nearly irrelevant.