If New London falls, a new line will be drawn in Cambridge, if Cambridge falls, Sprague and even Gran Canaria next, if they fall, then it will go to ground, but Bretonia will cease to be a threat to Gallia in the wider picture. A puppet state may emerge, and Bretonian ships may be facing Liberty as a new Bretonian faction that colludes with Gallia. As for Liberty, if Gallia smashes New London and the liberty forces with it, tell me, why would Gallia stop with Bretonia? Liberty remains the biggest threat, with Kusari down, Bretonia down, and Rheinland not as big an issue. We would have a push into New York for a final showdown, potentially with Bretonian ships on both sides.
To answer other questions, the Queen will go into exile, not abdicate, look at WW2 British contingency plans for an invasion of the Isles, they will continue to run until there is nowhere to run to. Maybe the acting government in Bretonia will be a principality, or a vassal state, seeing as Gallia is an Absolute monarchy.
Corporations can decide their own fate, would kind of be a chore to split them in two, probably makes sense for them to become Gallia loyalist.
Corsairs have no role to play in occupied Bretonia, why would Gallia want a bunch of pirates overseeing what they would see as their territory, Corsairs should turn hostile to Gallia, its not like Gallia will give them Cambridge.
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The real question is - what if Bretonia wins?
If Bretonia wins - everything goes back to what it was before. Gallia becomes an isolated house ruled by either the current government or Council, pretty much making it as relevant as in 4.85. The other side (Council or GRN) vanishes or loses a lot of assets, doesn't matter much because the house would essentially be dead just like back in the day. You'd see a few corporations powertrading at best and that's the extent of it. Bretonia goes to what it was before, with Leeds, Edinburgh and Newcastle recaptured, Liberty goes to what it was before with California, Magellan and Cortez secured. Small factions like Gaians and Mollys probably go back to shooting Bretonia, same as they always have. Everything becomes stale and unexciting. The only region that would benefit from it gameplay-wise would be Taus, who'd experience the return of Bretonia as well as removal of GRN, making it no man's land again.
If Gallia wins, first we have to define what a "win" is. Make no mistake, Gallia already won relative to Bretonia. Bretonia's lands have been in a full scale war for almost 10 years, with multiple systems occupied, trade routes blocked, embargoes present and a whole planet, the heart of its industry, conquered. Even if Bretonia somehow wins, it's merely pushing back the aggressors. Gallia made a permanent stamp in Sirius' history, and it's quite a big one.
As for actual assets, I'd love to see Gallia taking over New London and Cambridge with Corsairs, then suing for peace and leaving Bretonia as a remnant house with Omega-49 (Bretonia would fully annex Gran Canaria in that case), Poole and Omega-3 as their core systems and Dublin with Omega-47 as relevant neighboring systems. I wouldn't even be opposed to a new jumphole being discovered leading to a system Bretonia will inhabit in the future, just like Order was saved when Toledo got destroyed (Omicron Mu was invented). They'd basically migrate and reorganize to conquer lost assets back one day. They would be forced to make treaties with the Red Alliance to survive, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it'd give them freedom and time to gather strength.
Then there's the question of inner Gallic conflicts - if Council wins and overthrows the government, Gallia (GRN) would in a way become Bretonia, and Council would become only Gallia with a little bit of Taus. Taus would be the new conflict zone between the two as GRN is now exiled in Bretonia (not really "exiled" since they own the place).
And finally Liberty - I don't see anything interesting happening with it. Not like anything ever will happen because of plot armor, they'd likely take back California with Magellan and Cortez up for debate. If they do win though, it'll be a huge eyes roll to majority of community, as Liberty happens to win *yet* another war with basically no losses. No, losing a border station doesn't count. Even when they were waging wars against 2 houses at opposite fronts (Gallia and Rheinland), they were fine and actually winning against Rheinland, so I don't expect Liberty to lose anything in this war.
All I'm trying to get at is that it'd be something cool and unique. Bretonia still lives, has a new place to be at. Gallia is exiled in Bretonia. Council takes control inside Gallia. That's my ideal scenario.
(12-27-2018, 11:29 AM)Querious Wrote: ceasefire with Liberty
That may happen
(12-27-2018, 11:29 AM)Querious Wrote: Crayterians, Council
No way, both we and council would rather throw every one of our people into burning core of a star naked rather than having a ceasefire with Gallia Royalists
(12-27-2018, 01:38 PM)Antonio Wrote: The real question is - what if Bretonia wins?
If Bretonia wins - everything goes back to what it was before. Gallia becomes an isolated house ruled by either the current government or Council, pretty much making it as relevant as in 4.85. The other side (Council or GRN) vanishes or loses a lot of assets, doesn't matter much because the house would essentially be dead just like back in the day. You'd see a few corporations powertrading at best and that's the extent of it. Bretonia goes to what it was before, with Leeds, Edinburgh and Newcastle recaptured, Liberty goes to what it was before with California, Magellan and Cortez secured. Small factions like Gaians and Mollys probably go back to shooting Bretonia, same as they always have. Everything becomes stale and unexciting. The only region that would benefit from it gameplay-wise would be Taus, who'd experience the return of Bretonia as well as removal of GRN, making it no man's land again.
If Gallia wins, first we have to define what a "win" is. Make no mistake, Gallia already won relative to Bretonia. Bretonia's lands have been in a full scale war for almost 10 years, with multiple systems occupied, trade routes blocked, embargoes present and a whole planet, the heart of its industry, conquered. Even if Bretonia somehow wins, it's merely pushing back the aggressors. Gallia made a permanent stamp in Sirius' history, and it's quite a big one.
As for actual assets, I'd love to see Gallia taking over New London and Cambridge with Corsairs, then suing for peace and leaving Bretonia as a remnant house with Omega-49 (Bretonia would fully annex Gran Canaria in that case), Poole and Omega-3 as their core systems and Dublin with Omega-47 as relevant neighboring systems. I wouldn't even be opposed to a new jumphole being discovered leading to a system Bretonia will inhabit in the future, just like Order was saved when Toledo got destroyed (Omicron Mu was invented). They'd basically migrate and reorganize to conquer lost assets back one day. They would be forced to make treaties with the Red Alliance to survive, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it'd give them freedom and time to gather strength.
Then there's the question of inner Gallic conflicts - if Council wins and overthrows the government, Gallia (GRN) would in a way become Bretonia, and Council would become only Gallia with a little bit of Taus. Taus would be the new conflict zone between the two as GRN is now exiled in Bretonia (not really "exiled" since they own the place).
And finally Liberty - I don't see anything interesting happening with it. Not like anything ever will happen because of plot armor, they'd likely take back California with Magellan and Cortez up for debate. If they do win though, it'll be a huge eyes roll to majority of community, as Liberty happens to win *yet* another war with basically no losses. No, losing a border station doesn't count. Even when they were waging wars against 2 houses at opposite fronts (Gallia and Rheinland), they were fine and actually winning against Rheinland, so I don't expect Liberty to lose anything in this war.
All I'm trying to get at is that it'd be something cool and unique. Bretonia still lives, has a new place to be at. Gallia is exiled in Bretonia. Council takes control inside Gallia. That's my ideal scenario.
Yeah basically I agree with this. I feel like we're at a critical point where the direction and setting of the mod could change drastically. We've been at point like this before, each time the (previous) Devs opted fot the boring outcomes that maintain the status quo.
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(12-27-2018, 01:50 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:
(12-27-2018, 01:38 PM)Antonio Wrote: The real question is - what if Bretonia wins?
If Bretonia wins - everything goes back to what it was before. Gallia becomes an isolated house ruled by either the current government or Council, pretty much making it as relevant as in 4.85. The other side (Council or GRN) vanishes or loses a lot of assets, doesn't matter much because the house would essentially be dead just like back in the day. You'd see a few corporations powertrading at best and that's the extent of it. Bretonia goes to what it was before, with Leeds, Edinburgh and Newcastle recaptured, Liberty goes to what it was before with California, Magellan and Cortez secured. Small factions like Gaians and Mollys probably go back to shooting Bretonia, same as they always have. Everything becomes stale and unexciting. The only region that would benefit from it gameplay-wise would be Taus, who'd experience the return of Bretonia as well as removal of GRN, making it no man's land again.
If Gallia wins, first we have to define what a "win" is. Make no mistake, Gallia already won relative to Bretonia. Bretonia's lands have been in a full scale war for almost 10 years, with multiple systems occupied, trade routes blocked, embargoes present and a whole planet, the heart of its industry, conquered. Even if Bretonia somehow wins, it's merely pushing back the aggressors. Gallia made a permanent stamp in Sirius' history, and it's quite a big one.
As for actual assets, I'd love to see Gallia taking over New London and Cambridge with Corsairs, then suing for peace and leaving Bretonia as a remnant house with Omega-49 (Bretonia would fully annex Gran Canaria in that case), Poole and Omega-3 as their core systems and Dublin with Omega-47 as relevant neighboring systems. I wouldn't even be opposed to a new jumphole being discovered leading to a system Bretonia will inhabit in the future, just like Order was saved when Toledo got destroyed (Omicron Mu was invented). They'd basically migrate and reorganize to conquer lost assets back one day. They would be forced to make treaties with the Red Alliance to survive, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it'd give them freedom and time to gather strength.
Then there's the question of inner Gallic conflicts - if Council wins and overthrows the government, Gallia (GRN) would in a way become Bretonia, and Council would become only Gallia with a little bit of Taus. Taus would be the new conflict zone between the two as GRN is now exiled in Bretonia (not really "exiled" since they own the place).
And finally Liberty - I don't see anything interesting happening with it. Not like anything ever will happen because of plot armor, they'd likely take back California with Magellan and Cortez up for debate. If they do win though, it'll be a huge eyes roll to majority of community, as Liberty happens to win *yet* another war with basically no losses. No, losing a border station doesn't count. Even when they were waging wars against 2 houses at opposite fronts (Gallia and Rheinland), they were fine and actually winning against Rheinland, so I don't expect Liberty to lose anything in this war.
All I'm trying to get at is that it'd be something cool and unique. Bretonia still lives, has a new place to be at. Gallia is exiled in Bretonia. Council takes control inside Gallia. That's my ideal scenario.
Yeah basically I agree with this. I feel like we're at a critical point where the direction and setting of the mod could change drastically. We've been at point like this before, each time the (previous) Devs opted fot the boring outcomes that maintain the status quo.
Sadly yes. Discovery Freelancer Stalemate 24/7. I hope it won't be the case anymore, making big changes that are well planned and benefit most, if not all sides in some way is not something devs should be afraid of.
Making big changes would be interesting but also create a lot of drama, since faction bias is pretty much rampant in our community.
The devs will need a a lot of courage to make these big changes, and the community will need to be properly informed and those
who have to sacrifice should receive some sort of equal reward to balance it out, perhaps new shiplines or something though I have no clue,
just brainstorming here.
I think the Devs are thinking about losing a large part of the Player Base if they do something quite serious.
Just think how your Player Bases would feel if they suddenly lost their favourite Playing Area. ie Core got relegated to some backwater place as a result of a Dev decision.
The Player Base is relatively low as it is and I could see it shrinking even more if something drastic is done.
It is always good when things happen to other people, as long as it doesn't happen/affect you adversely mentality is always strong in people.
People appear to take this Game very seriously, judging by a lot of the Posts over the years. Just look at what happens when certain Ships get nerfed etc.
It is a fine line that the Devs must walk.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
So Bretonia becomes something like the Kusari Exiles. Sounds interesting to be honest but I'd rather have Gallia somehow getting backstabbed somewhere in their home system and a disaster/catastrophy causing them to shrink hard and becoming a faction the size of Corsairs or Outcasts.
Speaking about a "fine line the dev must walk". Nobody cared when Gallia pushed into Taus and Leeds back then? Why all of a sudden now?