Quote:Population problem? Actually, slow but steady growth, we cannot bother. Those with money can always afford artificial insemination and even pregnancy in artificial womb. Given, that Maltese population is quite rich, this is not a problem to afford for a significant share of the population.
Is there anything left that you are going to game away from the Outcasts? It seems that you are rich beyond what people can imagine, are having a substantial military force at hand, are in absolute control over the Cardamine markets and its research and now you ruled out the one essential downside that Cardamine had.
I am genuinely curious what limit are you pushing?
I liked playing as an Outcast at first when I came around. It seems having a rich and interesting lore but you are making it harder by the day to like Malta.
Quote:Population problem? Actually, slow but steady growth, we cannot bother. Those with money can always afford artificial insemination and even pregnancy in artificial womb. Given, that Maltese population is quite rich, this is not a problem to afford for a significant share of the population.
Is there anything left that you are going to game away from the Outcasts? It seems that you are rich beyond what people can imagine, are having a substantial military force at hand, are in absolute control over the Cardamine markets and its research and now you ruled out the one essential downside that Cardamine had.
I am genuinely curious, what is the limit your are pushing?
I liked playing as an Outcast at first when I came around. It seems having a rich and interesting lore but you are making it harder by the day to like Malta.
Artificial insemination and artificial womb are quite readily available nowadays. To assume this tech is not available in a fancy future where every cheapest ship has access to miraculously assembling the damaged parts of the ship nanobots or communication based on quantum entanglement principle is quite silliy. Powergaming? Lol, I never stated that our population was booming as in Nigeria. I said it was steadily growing. If you are fine with math - take the simplest demographics formula (you can read up the basics here) and calculate the net growth of Maltese population, that has been more or less steady regardless pitfalls given that over 800 years, including first 400+ years of Maltese isolation the population grew to 480 million people. With negative or zero net population gain that would be impossible. Simple math, eh? Cardamine by lore does not make people infertile. It makes people LESS fertile. It does not negate the population growth. It just means that for a successful natural insemination Maltese might need 1000 sexual acts instead of, say, 10. Given longer Maltese life, liking of different kinds of catering for flesh and luxury, and income of slaves - not an issue at all.
Speaking of cardi. Well, as far as I know, both in vanialla and in Disco the sole producer of Cardamine are outcast. We barely RP the monopolisation, it is just given per se. If any other Maltese faction arises that trades Cardi - they will have their market share and would only facilitate their RP. Powerish? Yeah, sure.
Speaking of the fleet. The RP fleet of OC is on par with the Corsairs. Depending on the sources it is 7-9 battleships (Durandal). It is not as powerful as a house, surely, but compared to zoners I can use the figure of speech "grand armada" for how many BS inRP do zoners have? The matter is in comparison. Besides, in my comms I can use any figures of speech, regardless they are truth or not. That is called rhetorics.
Now, to your "liking of OC and RP". From my perspective, your RP wit hus or others from the very point of starting from here are barely coherent attempts at RPing a Chaotic Neutral char (or I have no idea hoiw such lack of any ense can be explained). Later, you went with RPing your little cardamine project with cringy stuff akin to "doens of prisoners to be slaughtered" for no scientific reason. You basically intended to do scientific RP without actually doing ANY science. Now, you want to grow Cardi somewhere outside of Malta thinking it would backfire Malta. There are two problems with that: 1) It would eventually only benefit Malta as the cardi consumer base would expand, hence, the market. 2) there is a reason why nobody can achieve inRP success in growing Cardi elsewhere, as it would really be a powergaming that would turn Malta in OP due to already existing industry of Cardi production that would quickly take the largest share of market. Addicted cannot live without Cardi save for Stabiline, so it would just mess up the whole diplomacy in sector. If that was possible, surely the infocard of Galicia Research Station would not say what it says and 100500 OC factions that have existed before would have surely RPed that. You want to continue that RP - you surely can, we won't obstruct. I just fyi want to point out that you wanted in your recent RP to infiltrate Soledad. Read the infopage thereof carefully - all electronics die there rather fast. The only possible way to get there - using shuttles from nearby station (or from our POB). In perspective, a space lift can be constructed but is not available atm. So you have very scarce options of getting planetside. Even if you do get there - get ready to be in information void as electronics die and you won't be able to communicate with the rest of your accomplices. To what I write all of this - before thinking of others' RP, please consider your own. I did not bash your attempts at doing sci RP without science, actually. I will not try to stop whatever you are trying to do with Soledad. But please, do mind the logic.
#Mr.Cardaminum
I was and am still genuinely curious what you will have left doing when you are finished creating an all-positive place, that was all. I do thank you though for your kind words and stones you were throwing at me. All for questioning your intentions and ideas and thoughts what you wish seeing at the end of your way for the Outcasts. You are a very nice and level-headed person who does handle a slice of doubt in others with very good empathy.
I honestly think someone just has a bit of an ego, and is just making themselves out to be bigger iRP than what they are.
Funny what happens when a faction leader becomes an OFL, and then suddenly thinks they have entitlements beyond what they are as a faction.
You're literally acting like Cardamine is the lifeblood of the game, and not just a small criminal underworld. Let's count the actual iRP users of Cardamine:
Lane Hackers, Rogues (Not all though, as per their RP), Chrysanthemums, Core (For research purposes, and this is very recent).
In reality, that doesn't leave a lot in the way of your monopoly profits. Even if all those were addicted, only really LH~ have the capital power to actually make you even a percentage of the money you claim iRP and ooRP to possess.
Also, difficulties with the birth rate, isn't strictly conception, it's the ability to hold onto the child during pregnancy. While I don't doubt that the population of Malta is large, the claims of 500 million still seem ambitious to me.
"It is not as powerful as a house, surely, but compared to zoners I can use the figure of speech "grand armada" for how many BS inRP do zoners have?"
Simple, look on our faction pages, and look at what we have as far as just our "Canis" fleet is. Should give you an indication. Given that we've kind of been fighting the nomads long enough and now have the capability through both Iridium, Azurite and general trading/business deals as well as private funding from benefactors.
In short, Cardamine isn't as much iRP profit as you would like to think it is. Now, Iridium on the other hand, which is what Velvet deals in, used pretty exclusively, even stated in the Armour Upgrade description. But hey, what do I know.
Either way, Garda, you're not as invincible as you want to make out the OCs to be. I can list all the ways in which factions are different, and will happily say my faction for example is not heavy on population or have a huge reach. The profits are reliant on buyers, which iRP, the OCs have very little.
I don’t think I’ve laughed like this at zoner players in a long time.
The OCs since vanilla are regarded as the most feared unlawful group in sirius. Not for their status numerically or their “profits” (which cardamine still gives them quite an abundance of since they are the main producers and distributors of the product that is only naturally grown on their home planet), but as indivduals in comparison to others. Taking cardamine once renders you addicted for life. However, cardamine also enables the senses and so far as we’ve seen makes them much more devious/smarter.
This is vanilla lore, now, ignoring the fact that the OCs have drastically superior weapons and craft by lore and ingame. As well as better pilots by lore and ingame. (Legion ftw) Numerically speaking the odds are still stacked against whatever zoner thinks they have a chance. A small freeport settlement in Tau-37 and... what else? Are the closest things to dreaming of harming any outcast asset by lore.
The outcasts have held back the nomads and corsairs for decades with less numerically than either. I would love to see how the outcasts lack the high ground in any zoner conflict.
I think its time to log the old rapier again, see how quickly this conflict turns into a cap only one.
(10-15-2019, 05:57 PM)Wesker Wrote: This is vanilla lore, now, ignoring the fact that the OCs have drastically superior weapons and craft by lore and ingame. As well as better pilots by lore and ingame.
Yes, I too enjoy seeing the Maltese Gubment calling big brother Bretonia for help. It certainly adds an element of ferocity, a bit like a screeching rat. This faction certainly represents something, but it's most assuredly not vanilla lore. I distinctly remember the Outcasts having more spine than this, but perhaps my memory is fuzzy at this point in my Discovery tenure.
You both are implying there's potential conventional warfare between the two. What's the point of this? It's like comparing LR assets and LN assets. You can spend a few dozen pages of the forums saying that
Quote: LN IS STRONGER REEEEE! YOU CANNOT FIGHT LN REEEEEE.
Can you all relax and stop projecting pixel powers, largely take from your headcanons.
@Wesker
QC 1ic told me, he's not the fan of OC vanilla lore, as much as I agree with you in what OCs are supposed to be. QC is having a different approach.