(04-26-2019, 11:34 AM)Timinator Wrote: Actually, there were 5GMG, and 3 KNF. more KNF and ikn logged and RHA was otw to rofflstomp us with ur kusarians
There was only one [RHA] online at the time, me, in a group with an indie battleship that was already there. You broke off from the fight and logged off the moment I logged in and most KNF weren't present or even online until after you had already left. (They ended up patrolling Kusari by the way)
The problem RM is having isn't being ganked. I logged on a couple of nights ago and your two online members died to a single indie Hessian before I even managed to cruise from Kaiserslautern to the nearest trade lane. Most fights I have been involved with since joining the faction have been close to even numbers. I can only think of one or two instances where numbers were majorly imbalanced and we are often times (slightly) outnumbered.
And don't forget, as soon as one side starts bringing gunboats or a ton of caps numbers go out the window. The asymmetrical balance of caps make a perfectly even fight almost impossible to define, let alone achieve.
You can try to spin like you are taking some great moral standpoint all you like but in reality you just don't like losing and aren't willing to do anything about it. Kicking a member out of your faction for criticizing your lack of coordination during a fight is all the proof of that anyone needs.
This reply is so filled up with wrong informations and harassment that i will just ignore this lolwuttery here from now on.
My 2 cents:
I have seen ganking from both sides really. Both equal to blame, but I wouldn't use the word blame really, as "ganking" is just part of this game.
If anything can be done, though only suggestive as it is, it's growing mutual respect between the factions and trying to balance things out, and make the game enjoyable for both sides, so that both sides enjoy upcoming fights, and actually look forward to interactions, be it PvP focused or RP focused. So it's up to both of your groups to talk things through, rather than having this dissected here.
While so called "ganking" is part of the game mechanics such as Solaris GBs piling on snubcrafts are considered ganking to some, but in reality they have the tactical advantage using the equipment and shipclasses to their advantage, while properly fit bombers and other shipclasses negate the Solaris GBs etc. so it all comes down to tactics and coordination in the end of the day.
(04-26-2019, 11:34 AM)Timinator Wrote: Actually, there were 5GMG, and 3 KNF. more KNF and ikn logged and RHA was otw to rofflstomp us with ur kusarians
There was only one [RHA] online at the time, me, in a group with an indie battleship that was already there. You broke off from the fight and logged off the moment I logged in and most KNF weren't present or even online until after you had already left. (They ended up patrolling Kusari by the way)
The problem RM is having isn't being ganked. I logged on a couple of nights ago and your two online members died to a single indie Hessian before I even managed to cruise from Kaiserslautern to the nearest trade lane. Most fights I have been involved with since joining the faction have been close to even numbers. I can only think of one or two instances where numbers were majorly imbalanced and we are often times (slightly) outnumbered.
And don't forget, as soon as one side starts bringing gunboats or a ton of caps numbers go out the window. The asymmetrical balance of caps make a perfectly even fight almost impossible to define, let alone achieve.
You can try to spin like you are taking some great moral standpoint all you like but in reality you just don't like losing and aren't willing to do anything about it. Kicking a member out of your faction for criticizing your lack of coordination during a fight is all the proof of that anyone needs.
This reply is so filled up with wrong informations and harassment that i will just ignore this lolwuttery here from now on.
I am that indie battleship Loken was in group with. Once i have showed up in Frankfurt - you have immediately switched to a Bismark, two snubcraft and two gunboats have showed at Mannheim, the snubcraft maintained pursuit all the way up to Dresden jump hole, trying to disrupt my engines.
When they failed - they immediately broke off.
Quite a shameful display of obsession of an easy blue, let's be honest and acknowledge you'd abuse your heavier armor and armaments and cruise on me using the CD advantage.
You simply have no right to complain while maintaining such conduct. Address your own issues before pointing fingers to the others.
Peace, being the distant dream it is, comes inevitably, and goes hand in hand with justice.
Cursed be the war.
(04-26-2019, 11:34 AM)Timinator Wrote: Actually, there were 5GMG, and 3 KNF. more KNF and ikn logged and RHA was otw to rofflstomp us with ur kusarians
Incorrect. There were 5 GMG and 8 RM. One of us got killed by the RM battleship and when things just started getting too tedious to deal with, especially with the snubs actively hugging and the GB and BS not letting up, we started moving away or at least trying to bait fighters into the field. But even this was becoming pointless, so we decided to keep some fighters back and maybe get a few bombers to counter all the heavy asset spam. Hessians and IKN probably decided to log at this point, perhaps taking notice of all the pew pew in Frankfurt and wanting a slice of the fun. Honestly, we didn't have a huge problem with the gunboat being there, we were hurting your snubs effectively enough that it felt necessary to keep the fight balance even. The battleship and the gunships after that though? That's when it became too much for us.
(04-26-2019, 12:28 PM)Exe Wrote: This reply is so filled up with wrong informations and harassment that i will just ignore this lolwuttery here from now on.
Your inability to even process a legitimate complaint and at least address it without dismissing it as harassment is astonishing. I wonder how far you'll get as a faction leader.
Nah, my free time is just too precious to waste it with nonsense like this here. Thats why i dont even mind. If you want a real conversation, PM me. But i wont feed this thing youre trying to do here.
While I really don't understand why the people that posted prior to me point fingers at each other instead of actually adding something constructive, here's my "Feedback":
First, I have to go back a bit to when I was new on Discovery. I joined around the time when Wesker got banned. With that in mind, RHA was pretty much dead all over the time of him not being able to contribute anything to the game. That being said, I was mainly playing Rheinland at the time, being Kruger and some Military indies. Funnily enough, the first fight I had with RHA was in New Berlin, when they were attacking some Caps, and I went on my Kruger escort to assist. Being me, a complete noob at snub pvp, I didn't contribute much. But why is that important? Simply because I had a ton of fun in the fight, even if I died and we lost in the end.
When Wesker got unbanned, RHA suddenly jumped to the peak of the activity list and I was very surprised to be pirated for probably the first time ever in Rheinland borders. I asked what RHA was, and I was given answers that up to this day remind me of ooRP hatred that I've rarely faced even until this day - Over a year later. That being said, the asked people probably have not changed their mind regarding RHA even until this day, which to me is sad.
Fast forward to the past few months, I found myself playing against RHA a couple of times. None of the fights were entirely balanced, but that was from both sides. One time we had more people, another time RHA had more people. I still got my share of fun, even though I died every single time in those fights. I understand why people dislike ganking, but I do not understand that it's always RHA that is supposedly the main contributor of that attitude on the server. There's enough factions that do the same, and I doubt that there is a single player who can say that they haven't ganked before. It's just the way Freelancer is, really. Get over it, move on, don't be so mad because of things in the past.
This ooRP grudge that I've mentioned earlier has become all the more apparent to me when I tried to organize a raid of Corsairs into the Omegas - which to my surprise, only two people showed up (One only showing because they felt bad about me and the other person). Honestly, the fight we had wasn't the best, but that was not RHA's fault. Instead, there were other factions present (whom I will not mention here because it would simply stir up more drama than we need) and it ended up in us pretty much being ganked. My team-partners were obviously not satisfied with the result, saying that this was to be expected from RHA, and I think it somewhat is. But that doesn't need to be a bad thing.
Hessians and Coalition in general have a massive playerbase that far outnumbers most other playerbases, with Wesker being able to motivate his folk to log when there's need - an attitude that we really need in Discovery if we want to move onward and continue to have large-scale battles- so while it may be true that fights are unfair or uneven (From either side), at least you can always expect RHA to stand up and come after your ass if they happen to find you in Omega-54,52, or anywhere near their turf. That's a great thing, and I like that.
All of this being said, I first had mixed feelings about RHA when I joined first, but the longer I staid on the server the more I got to accept the playstyle of RHA and it's members, who tend to eat you up and leave nothing behind in a fight. With me leading Custodi now, having an active faction that I can raid pretty much at any given time and expect a solid (if not overwhelming) defense is a great thing, and something that more people should use to the advantage of their faction members or friends. After all, there's not so much to do in Discovery besides role-playing and PvP, and RHA can offer you both at most times.
(04-26-2019, 01:16 PM)Lucas Wrote: Instead, there were other factions present (whom I will not mention here because it would simply stir up more drama than we need) and it ended up in us pretty much being ganked. My team-partners were obviously not satisfied with the result, saying that this was to be expected from RHA, and I think it somewhat is. But that doesn't need to be a bad thing.
I get that you aren't directly blaming RHA yourself here, but to say that you were ganked during that encounter is disingenuous. The fight started as a 4 vs 2 in your favour, although there were other hostiles around that you could assume would join the fight on our side, so that's fine. They did, which means two more players joined our side and shortly after one of ours left making it effecitvely a 4 vs 3 at that point. I think one more coalition player turned up during the fight, who also ended up leaving shortly after. Their members even had the courtesy, without being prompted, to take a step back towards the end of the fight and leave Pepe to fight me one on one.
There were only ever two [RHA] members in the fight, one of whom actually left very early on, leaving just me. A solaris gunboat from another faction was was present (nothing to do with RHA) and that's the only thing during that fight that I could see there being a legitimate complaint about. I hate gunboats too. For the TBH members of your group to say that their displeasure at that encounter was the fault of [RHA] doesn't make any sense.
Also it was the corsairs that initiated hostilities against us, it's not like we jumped into an ongoing fight uninvited.
Not criticizing you personally by the way, Lucas. Your post was much fairer and well reasoned than most of the responses to this thread.
Also sorry if this is a mess, I'm typing on mobile right now.