From: arris, Junkers, Liberty, New York, C4, Rochester Base
To: =CR= Diplomatic Wing, Tau-44, [track proper]
My fellow CR representatives,
I have just been in contact with a CR representative codename Crossbow while visiting Yanagi base. I understand I have been misinformed while contacting IMG diplomatic department with my trouble, and should forward this same request to you. As I understand IMG and =CR= have split politically, I cannot expect a single proposal to concern both parties. Forgive me for correcting myself this way, I have lived in the false belief CR and IMG are a single entity.
As of now, the situation has grown more dire, and less than hour ago three Keepers invaded Sigma-13 on a rampage of death and horror. I feel it is of extreme urgency that I am provided the vessel requested here, and as IMG has failed to respond me for seven hours, I can only deduct they cannot fully value the great opportunity presented to them. I require a most urgent answer, and it feels only natural, that if you approve, I will immediately make the necessary efforts to close down the agreement with you, and withdraw it from IMG and their amateur sales department.
The original request, modified for the use of CR, is represented below:
Today, during my exploration endeavours in Omicron Kappa I confronted a Nomad military convoy consisting of a full-blown Nomad battleship, a Nomad gunboat, and a Nomad fighter wing. Needless to say I fear the Nomads are on the move, and the normal vessels available to our use, like the Pirate Transport provide highly inadequate defensive technology. This turn of events makes me - suffice to say - highly uneasy concerning deep space exploration and wreck mapping, our main income outside civilized Sirius space.
Hereby, I would like to place an order for one (1) Spatial Space Exploration Vessel, deliverable to mutual neutral grounds at Leeds, Dublin, for the standard IMG tariff of $4.180.000. I understand you have a disagreement with the BAF, and if the vessel is impossible to be obtained from Leeds through normal means, I can naturally retrieve the vessel from another location of your choosing, unless you are willing to smuggle it to Leeds.
I am aware that regardless of our neutral stance, IMG has - due to those of lesser morals among the Junkers - some fears about the use of IMG equipment. Namely, using IMG vessels counter to the aims and ideals of IMG. Let me assure you, the Spatial is only used for deep space exploration, and occasional escort duties. Logic dictates, there are vessels that of which cargo holds far exceed the usability of the Spatial among these questionable and condemnable endeavours.
I fully admit to occasionally having targeted Trader ID'd personnel under extreme situations, but must question the choice of those said traders to carry contraband, which harms pretty much anyone else but the said trader.
Our suspicions of each other are sometimes unfounded, but sometimes completely warranted. There is a small matter of me accidentally entering Tau-44 space - in a pirate transport and at that time unknowing it happens to be CR-owned space. Needless to say, CR destroying the unwanted vessel before I had time to answer their system transmissions caused me to face great financial losses and much grief. Therefore and having learned of this small episode, and to justify the purchase of the Spatial, I would like to negotiate further agreement and an offer of hospitability towards CR:
1.1 PROPOSAL OF CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP
I, arris, am prepared to sponsor CR business interests to the sum of $20.000.000, payable to the accountant of your choice. 1.2 PROPOSAL OF NON-HOSTILITY
The sponsorship contract includes arris not attempting to stop CR vessels, scan their cargo or make financial or material demands to them, with the sole exception of warranted suspicion CR vessel in question has kidnapped or enslaved Junkers, who by definition and ethics are family of mine, and I am family of theirs in spite of background. 1.3 PROPOSAL OF WITHDRAWAL AND HOSPITALITY
The sponsorship includes:
a) arris, vehicles in his convoy and the future group of [Ju-17] not entering Tau-44 space, using an IMG vessel or otherwise, unless invited to do so, and
b) arris, vehicles in his convoy and the future group of [Ju-17] not rendering aid to those engaging CR vessels, and in case of CR vessel destruction, attempting to pick up CR pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral IMG facility.
As this is a sponsorship contract between a corporate and private entities, in return:
2.1 PROPOSAL OF CR NON-HOSTILITY
CR will not attempt to stop vessels flown by arris, in his convoy or belonging to the future group of [Ju-17], scan their cargo, or make financial or material demands from them, with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved CR personnel, as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement. 2.2 PROPOSAL OF CR WITHDRAWAL AND HOSPITALITY
The sponsorship includes:
a) CR not rendering aid to those engaging vessels flown by arris, vessels in his convoy or belonging to the future group [Ju-17], and in case of vessel destruction, attempting to pick up said pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral, or Junker operated facility.
3.1 PROPOSAL OF CONTRACT SANCTIONS
a) Unjustified halting of vessels, cargo scanning including scanning under warranted suspicion, but proven unjustified during scan, and hostility is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $5.000.000, based on the judgement of the violated party.
b) Unjustified destruction of a vessel is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $10.000.000 in addition to the right to terminate contract without diplomatic consequences, based on the judgement of the violated party.
As you can see, this agreement would be most profitable to you. In addition to being a step in maximizing trade safety it includes mutual immunity, cease of all hostilities, and extending a helping hand to our shipwrecked pilots - perhaps more in the future. I also have confidence, this mutual show of respect and trust would eliminate some of our fears and increase our reputation towards eachother. If the contract is to both parties' satisfaction and our future relations evolve to a prosperous direction, I can well see us considering some more elaborate co-operation.
I am interested in all profitable business ventures, and hope you consider this the beginning of a possible beginning to a prosperous relationship and newfound friendship between me, my affiliates and the CR. I hope diplomatic channels are opened as soon as possible, as the fear of a full-scale Nomad invasion prevents me from continuing my deep space ventures leading to a substantial loss of profit at up to $400.000 per minute.
Edited: Minor clarifications. Deemed complete and pending CR response.
With Best Regards,
Sirius forum contact: arris
Sirius space transmissions: arris
From: Council of twelve (Q12) of the Colonial Remnant
To: Arris
We understand your concerns about a possible Nomad uprise, as it is a plague for the whole of sirius if it happens again. We would like to help you to a spatial exploration vessel, but we have to delay our answer on this matter , because there are some diplomatic consequenses for it and it has to be reviewed by the whole Q12 Council.
However if you are going to do explorations in such dangerous remote systems, i advise you to take a look at the Kusari explorer wich is better outfitted for that kind of work.. But you have to contact the Kusari govenment or the GMG for that. We will contact you when the q12 has made a desicion regarding the spatial exploration vessel.
About your Proposal:
Before I can Ask the Council of Twelve to review this treaty, the following points must be adjusted.
1.1 PROPOSAL OF CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP
I, arris, am prepared to sponsor CR business interests to the sum of $20.000.000, payable to the accountant of your choice. Remark: The Colonial Remnant only do business on the base of mutual respect and understanding and whatever political reasons there might be, and therefor we shal never ask for credits regarding these kind of treaties.
2.1 PROPOSAL OF CR NON-HOSTILITY
CR will not attempt to stop vessels flown by arris, in his convoy or belonging to the future group of [Ju-17], scan their cargo, or make financial or material demands from them, with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved CR personnel, as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement. remark: with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved inhabitants of Sirius , or other criminal activities in IMG/CR Zone of Influence. as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement.
2.2 PROPOSAL OF CR WITHDRAWAL AND HOSPITALITY
The sponsorship includes:
a) CR not rendering aid to those engaging vessels flown by arris, vessels in his convoy or belonging to the future group [Ju-17], and in case of vessel destruction, attempting to pick up said pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral, or Junker operated facility. Remark: CR not rendering aid in the moment of battle to those engaging vessels flown by arris, vessels in his convoy or belonging to the future group [Ju-17] , and in case of vessel destruction, attempting to pick up said pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral, or Junker operated facility.
3.1 PROPOSAL OF CONTRACT SANCTIONS
a) Unjustified halting of vessels, cargo scanning including scanning under warranted suspicion, but proven unjustified during scan, and hostility is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $5.000.000, based on the judgement of the violated party.
b) Unjustified destruction of a vessel is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $10.000.000 in addition to the right to terminate contract without diplomatic consequences, based on the judgement of the violated party. remark: a+b) a screenshot should be povided as evidence to both parties before any sanction is applied
If you are willing to make these adjustments to the treaty i can bring it into the Colonial Remnant Council of Twelve for a democratic vote.
On behalf of the Colonial Remnant :
Crossbow
Council member
Quote:We understand your concerns about a possible Nomad uprise, as it is a plague for the whole of sirius if it happens again. We would like to help you to a spatial exploration vessel, but we have to delay our answer on this matter , because there are some diplomatic consequenses for it and it has to be reviewed by the whole Q12 Council.
However if you are going to do explorations in such dangerous remote systems, i advise you to take a look at the Kusari explorer wich is better outfitted for that kind of work.
Unfortunately as of this moment, no Kusari equipment is for political reasons a valid opportunity for the Junkers. As I have great sympathy for our fellow affiliates, especially to the GMG, this is in my opinion a regrettable situation which I wish to change sometime in the future. However, this will require a lot of work, work which I have already begun with Universal Shipping and You. My aim is common tolerance and understanding among different peoples, and building foundations for respect and honor among Sirius for the better of all humankind. We all know, it is sorely missed in this vast space torn by bitterness, fear and suspicion.
As a transport vessel captain I am also highly suspicous of gunboat maneuverability in the face of a Nomad attack. Once again, the superior IMG technology would be more admissible, this time in the form of the IMG gunboat with it's hard-to-hit profile.
Quote:The Colonial Remnant only do business on the base of mutual respect and understanding and whatever political reasons there might be, and therefor we shal never ask for credits regarding these kind of treaties.
I apologize for possibly offending you and explain: all Junkers are a single entity and fiercely protect eachother, as can be understood of a tribe feared, despised, abused, or doubted by the majority of Sirius dwellers. Only a small portion of us are succesful profiteers. Most Junker families are lesser ones, purifying urbanized areas of space of human made scrap, a business venture which less than provides for them. We profiteers spend major sums to take care of our lesser families. Sharing of profit is the greatest and most benevolent gift a Junker could give - or an entity to recieve from a Junker.
Quote:2.1 PROPOSAL OF CR NON-HOSTILITY
CR will not attempt to stop vessels flown by arris, in his convoy or belonging to the future group of [Ju-17], scan their cargo, or make financial or material demands from them, with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved CR personnel, as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement. remark: with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved inhabitants of Sirius , or other criminal activities in IMG/CR Zone of Influence. as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement.
You ask for much, as for the aforementioned reasons hostilities among Junkers and less honorary factions cannot always be avoided. I am confident that one day we would be able to guarantee the safety of all inhabitants of Sirius, but for the moment we must start somewhere. I beg you to take the first step with me.
I am willing to extend the non-hostility agreement to concern the whole of IMG regardless of your political troubles, but must ask for reason otherwise. The CR/Junker proposal is but a first step: Proposing non-hostility towards other factions without having anything to bargain with would put us at a great disadvantage. We would have already promised non-hostility towards everyone, and everyone could just continue to be hostile based on a whim, unless we offered even more. These are big steps, and unfortunately even our wells aren't bottomless.
What comes to your further remark, my aim is to reach such treaties and such leverage, that at some point of time the Border and Independent worlds would become a safe place to live and profit. However, different factions require different leverage. I find myself uneasy with your suggestive remark, as we are forced to give a lot to even gain a little. Including such clauses to a general treaty would imply us unlawful faction, which we are not. Rather, like the Zoners, we are the ambassadors between various lawful and unlawful factions.
I hope you understand, that approving such clauses would endanger your own vessels, as the Junkers would lose methods which provide leverage towards those factions that hunt you (say, the Outcasts). However, I am willing to extend my proposal so, that no activities considered criminal by CR or IMG, produced by arris etc. happen in the vicinity or at CR/IMG facilities.
I'm also sure we both agree procuring arrested entities, commonly considered criminals by all House factions, to Falkland base at Tau-37 does not constitute a crime.
Once again I implore you to understand my aims. We must start somewhere, and I am willing to start with you. However, we Junkers are highly skilled when it comes to business, and you are asking for ten coins in return of one. Making extensive allowanses towards you would only mean, I'm sure you are aware of this yourselves, a third party would take advantage of it and our mutual endeavours would be rendered futile. Furthermore, the applied law changes from system to system, and as such the treaty with your proposed changes would become terminatable the instant it is undersigned.
If we are able to begin the arduous task of mutual understanding, with time, I'm confident you will see common piracy and widespread criminal activities in the Tau sector decrease. However, the means by which this will happen is not always to the liking of you, or me, for that matter. I hope you show the same trust in my capabilities and understanding of your delicate situation, as I show in yours.
I'd like you to implore this: the CR is not welcome to Bretonnia and effectively cut off from IMG facilities there, am I right? Perhaps you are already supplied with your specialized machinery by the GMG, but the Junkers could easily provide it for you in order to improve the quality of life and work conditions throughout the Tau systems. In the eyes of some factions this would constitute a crime. In the eyes of others it would not. In my eyes I save one of my families from starving, and do something for the better of mankind to boot. In a situation like this, even the IMG would have more orders for their products, and BAF would recieve more funding to stop it, so everyone would win. The matter of "crime", in reality, is only selfish faction politics.
Quote:2.2 PROPOSAL OF CR WITHDRAWAL AND HOSPITALITY
The sponsorship includes:
a) CR not rendering aid to those engaging vessels flown by arris, vessels in his convoy or belonging to the future group [Ju-17], and in case of vessel destruction, attempting to pick up said pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral, or Junker operated facility. Remark: CR not rendering aid in the moment of battle to those engaging vessels flown by arris, vessels in his convoy or belonging to the future group [Ju-17] , and in case of vessel destruction, attempting to pick up said pilots and deliver them to the safety of nearest neutral, or Junker operated facility.
This is approvable and permissible, I salute you for your wise clarification. If the same wording for both parties applies, I agree. There was never any attempt to break e.g. made alliances, simply to gain an inch towards peaceful conduct among us two - and through our example, spread it among the Border and Independent Worlds. Like I have said, we have to start somewhere.
Quote:3.1 PROPOSAL OF CONTRACT SANCTIONS
a) Unjustified halting of vessels, cargo scanning including scanning under warranted suspicion, but proven unjustified during scan, and hostility is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $5.000.000, based on the judgement of the violated party.
b) Unjustified destruction of a vessel is a contract violation finable up to damage to existing material in addition to $10.000.000 in addition to the right to terminate contract without diplomatic consequences, based on the judgement of the violated party. remark: a+b) a screenshot should be povided as evidence to both parties before any sanction is applied
If you are willing to make these adjustments to the treaty i can bring it into the Colonial Remnant Council of Twelve for a democratic vote.
As I am an independent entrepreneur, I have not yet opened a definitive diplomatic channel on the Discovery forums. I do, however watch it closely. Your addition is warranted and approved and I am always available for communication, even to my enemies. After all, optimism dictates even an enemy is nothing but a future affiliate you don't yet see eye to eye with.
Quote:On behalf of the Colonial Remnant :
Crossbow
Council member
From: Council of twelve (Q12) of the Colonial Remnant
To: Arris
this is what we proposeto get a workable treaty:
2.1 PROPOSAL OF CR NON-HOSTILITY
CR will not attempt to stop vessels flown by arris, in his convoy or belonging to the future group of [Ju-17], scan their cargo, or make financial or material demands from them, with the sole exception of warranted suspicion of the vessel in question having kidnapped or enslaved CR personnel, as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement. Remark: with the sole exception that no activities considered criminal by CR or IMG, produced by arris etc. happen in the vicinity or at CR/IMG facilities. CR has the right to scan ships in img zone of influence to uphold the treaty. as these are corporate assets and violate the sponsorship agreement.
the abillity to scan ships should be a two way arrangement . There is no goal for a treaty, if it cant be uphold.
Quote:I am willing to extend the non-hostility agreement to concern the whole of IMG regardless of your political troubles, but must ask for reason otherwise. The CR/Junker proposal is but a first step: Proposing non-hostility towards other factions without having anything to bargain with would put us at a great disadvantage. We would have already promised non-hostility towards everyone, and everyone could just continue to be hostile based on a whim, unless we offered even more. These are big steps, and unfortunately even our wells aren't bottomless.
This treaty is between CR and JU-17 and since its a small step we should not involve other factions. Also i apologize for the misunderstanding, but since its a treaty all do's and dont's schould be clear. We never intended to suggest that you or your adversaries are unlawfull.
Quote:I'm also sure we both agree procuring arrested entities, commonly considered criminals by all House factions, to Falkland base at Tau-37 does not constitute a crime.
please clarify that , because i do not understand your point at this
Quote:If we are able to begin the arduous task of mutual understanding, with time, I'm confident you will see common piracy and widespread criminal activities in the Tau sector decrease. However, the means by which this will happen is not always to the liking of you, or me, for that matter. I hope you show the same trust in my capabilities and understanding of your delicate situation, as I show in yours.
I can only agree to this wise words
Quote:I'd like you to implore this: the CR is not welcome to Bretonnia and effectively cut off from IMG facilities there, am I right? Perhaps you are already supplied with your specialized machinery by the GMG, but the Junkers could easily provide it for you in order to improve the quality of life and work conditions throughout the Tau systems. In the eyes of some factions this would constitute a crime. In the eyes of others it would not. In my eyes I save one of my families from starving, and do something for the better of mankind to boot. In a situation like this, even the IMG would have more orders for their products, and BAF would recieve more funding to stop it, so everyone would win. The matter of "crime", in reality, is only selfish faction politics.
Although it sounds interesting , this is a matter for after the treaty is signed. We will negotiate this later.
On behalf of the Colonial Remnant :
Crossbow
Council member
The more we share viewpoints, the more I feel we begin understanding each other. I believe it truly is possible with people with differing ideals and lifestyles to work for mutual benefit.
Let us write the agreement from scratch, as I think it wasn't adequately written until both our goals were properly visualized. I also think dividing common terms to two different places complicates matters too much. Your worries are addressed after the proposal. Please review and comment.
TREATY OF NON-HOSTILITY AND TRUCE BETWEEN CR AND ARRIS
1. PURPOSE AND AIM
1.1. The purpose of this treaty is, within the Tau sectors
a) Produce a peaceful and regular presence in Tau among trustworthy and respectful parties
b) Provide new opportunities of trade and influence
b) Limit and eventually cease unauthorized and hostile activity among any third parties, either by mitigating their hostile attitude towards the participants of this treaty, encouraging their participation in it, or by attempting to remove their presence completely
2. PARTICIPANTS
2.1. This treaty includes two groups as parties
a) The other party is the faction and it's members of Colonial Remnant. Hereby written "CR".
b) The other party is the Junker arris, his direct sub-ordinates (amounting to no more than 5 specifically named Junker entities, pending mutual approval, none of which will be proposed at this time), and those in convoy with arris or his sub-ordinates. Hereby written "arris"
c) The treaty as of now excludes any other group, be that an ally, another Junker, or otherwise.
2. MUTUAL WITHDRAWAL
2.1. Both parties will respect each others' immunity and avoid conflicting situations
a) CR will grant arris uninterrupted right of passage through systems affected by CR Zone of Influence. Hereby written ZOI
b) CR will not demand stoppage, scan or demand cargo, or engage arris
c) Pending threat of CR ZOI violations unless official business deemed lawful by both parties is presented, CR will first and foremost advice and request arris to cancel the threat
d) arris will recognize total CR authority within their ZOI at, but not limited to, Tau systems and avoid CR zones and operatives unless requested to do so, or unless on official business deemed lawful by both parties, pending presentation before approach
e) arris will not demand stoppage, scan or demand cargo, or engage CR
f) arris will heed and immediately attempt to fulfill all advice and requests of CR personnel pending course change or presence within CR controlled areas
3. MUTUAL NON-HOSTILITY AND LIMITED AID
a) CR will not help any entities during their engagement on arris' vessels
b) CR will attempt to pick up ejected arris' pilots, and release them to the nearest neutral (i.e. Freeport) or Junker facility
c) arris will not help any entities during their engagement on CR vessels
b) arris will attempt to pick up ejected CR pilots, and release them to the nearest neutral (i.e. Freeport) or CR facility
e) Unless conflicting alliance treaty or force majeure so prevents, rendering military aid to treaty participant in said engagements, and advicing nearby friendly or neutral entities to act according to the treaty is of mutual interest. Politics or other reasons so dictating, it is, however, not mandatory
f) The participants to the treaty have complete and total rights of self preservation and defence, when dealing with allies of the said parties. The single exclusion to this, any ejected entities belonging to either CR and IMG, or Junkers, are to be released at the nearest neutral (ie. Freeport) or faction facility.
4. LIABILITY, CHANGE AND TERMINATION OF TREATY
4.1. Both parties approve the existence of other and non-intrusive, peaceful conduct of business, unless provided terms are deliberately broken
a) All deliberate attempts to break terms contained within the treaty justify, but do not necessitate immediate cancelling of the said treaty by wronged party
b) The party breaking treaty terms is liable for all damages caused, assessed in mutual diplomatic negotiations
c) The treaty is open for any proposed changes, pending mutual agreement
I know remembering five different entities without a faction/group tag is troublesome, for this reason I will either create a group and tag ourselves, or we can agree on a secret passphrase through PM transmission.
Quote:the abillity to scan ships should be a two way arrangement . There is no goal for a treaty, if it cant be uphold.
True, and quite contradictory, as the definite purpose of the treaty is to eliminate suspicion and the need to scan cargo. Thus the limitations and assurances within this new treaty. If the aim is to create a civilian policed no-fire-zone full of new business opportunities, such "safety clauses" would only conflict against their aim.
I have no more chance to prevent you from e.g. scanning or demanding cargo, as you have in preventing me. But that would by definition mean the treaty is not respected, not that the treaty would prevent such possibilities. And if the treaty is not respected it's a useless treaty. I am quite sure we aim at a soup, both of us have to (and are willing to) eat together.
Quote:This treaty is between CR and JU-17 and since its a small step we should not involve other factions. Also i apologize for the misunderstanding, but since its a treaty all do's and dont's schould be clear. We never intended to suggest that you or your adversaries are unlawfull.
I think we attempted to complicate matters too far, making them susceptible to nitpicking. The treaty itself should be clear on all counts: "I shouldn't, so you shouldn't either". I hope this newly written draft is more suitable to both our standards.
Quote:
Quote:I'm also sure we both agree procuring arrested entities, commonly considered criminals by all House factions, to Falkland base at Tau-37 does not constitute a crime.
please clarify that , because i do not understand your point at this
I were left under the impression, that you fear I would use Tau for purposes of kidnap and enslavement. I wouldn't. I am by oath of blood required to help all fellow Junkers within reason. The only thing I ever wanted, was gaining assurance from you they will be treated as civilians and released to neutral care (and pending punishment according to our Junker rule) so conflict in our customs would not render our mutual attempts futile.
In return, I offer the same degree of trust in your judicial methods, and would never consider any IMG entities my captives, should unlikely hostilities arise.
However, consider certain neighbouring factions that you are not quite friendly with. It is a truth not said aloud, that our contacts and methods are needed among this faction to fund their bitter war, and we need the business opportunity to provide for our families and bases, which suffer daily damage among the gas and debris fields. Here we have two needs and two solutions, which create stability and mutual understanding.
Now, most unlawful factions have a very loose hierarchy, and especially the young and lively among them sometimes forget mutually agreed conducts. If I were to suffer damage, I wouldn't consider releasing the captives to your Falkland base slavery, because a) we would have a treaty and b) the damages must be recouped.
Furthermore, that right there is a lever and an advantage. I could easily release the said captives to their faction representatives, if only.. ah, certain areas of Tau would be a little more peaceful in return. I am in the power to do this, because your neighbours and us need each other. But I have additional leverage, understood by the said neighbours much better than the diplomacy we use here. See where I'm going?
I believe these were the only clarifications you requested. I invite you again to read the new proposal throughly, and comment on any possible disagreements.
From: Council of twelve (Q12) of the Colonial Remnant
To: Arris
The complete and rewritten treaty is now clear on all counts, however there are two things that we must have in the treaty:
1. the abililty for both sides to scan ships ( and that does not include demanding cargo)
Quote:QUOTEthe abillity to scan ships should be a two way arrangement . There is no goal for a treaty, if it cant be uphold.
True, and quite contradictory, as the definite purpose of the treaty is to eliminate suspicion and the need to scan cargo. Thus the limitations and assurances within this new treaty. If the aim is to create a civilian policed no-fire-zone full of new business opportunities, such "safety clauses" would only conflict against their aim.
I have no more chance to prevent you from e.g. scanning or demanding cargo, as you have in preventing me. But that would by definition mean the treaty is not respected, not that the treaty would prevent such possibilities. And if the treaty is not respected it's a useless treaty. I am quite sure we aim at a soup, both of us have to (and are willing to) eat together.
You note that one goal of the treaty is to eliminate suspicion. There is no simpeler way to that than to allow both sides to scan the ships . Scanning the ships is not our goal , but we and you should be able to check if the treaty is still valid.
We the Colonial Remnant have no objection of beeing scanned or even halted for a scan (exept in hostile areas like sigma13 can be), the reason is that we have nothing to hide. That is exact the same reason why we want to have the permission to scan your ships. Since you should have nothing to hide from us aswell.
2. Both sides must have a faction tag in the agreement so it would be clear to what ships the treaty applies.
These two points are the only ones that keep me from forwarding the treaty to the Q12 for a vote. Please consider our point of view, we are no police faction, but the slave trading to OC territory via the IMG/CR zone of influence is against everything we stand for and does damage to our cause. Therefor we need to be able to scan your ships.
On behalf of the Colonial Remnant :
Crossbow
Council member
I'm sorry, solar flares constantly disrupt my communications. I will retire for a small coffee break and wait for the situation to pass. I will then retry my answer, first with special formatting and then without.
In the meanwhile, short summary: I agree to both your requests to the extent, that I have begun a new unofficial faction. Your request of scanning cargo (concerning suspected slave trade), is approved and extended to you demanding the release of said slaves and engaging upon refusal does not break the terms of the treaty. My faction has an added clause "does not slave trade", and future faction members are informed such endeavours within your space, and endangering our newfound trust and co-operation is not tolerated by you, or by us.
Inform the council of the situation, and please bear with me, I will attempt to open full comm channels and represent the rewritten draft in 2 hours.
From: arris
To: Council of twelve (Q12) of the Colonial Remnant
Dear Colleagues,
I can well understand your delicate situation and fears and assure you, slave trading within CR ZOI is not a business we have the slightest interest in. We do not have anything to hide as such, but you do understand we operate all over Sirius, and actions welcomed by one faction are denounced by another, while business, survival and politics require we deal with both.
Acknowledging this I hope you use the method hereby allowed from you only with due and thorough consideration, and keep your findings between our factions, so as to not endanger our operations or the safety of our families elsewhere in Sirius. You also have full right to demand such cargo and engage if refused, as long as our factions' neutrality is honored. I will also make sure my future affiliates are aware of this agreed upon detail, and any attempts to dishonor or endanger our mutual trust will lead to severe punishment or possible banishment within our faction.
Faction tags are a necessity for simplicity and ease of operations, and I agree on this as well. Hereby both your requests are deemed completely justified and simple negligence on our behalf, and naturally allowed with a warm heart.
I hereby proclaim the birth of an unofficial faction called Independent Junkers' Union of 817 A.S., tagged hereby JU17. I propose the contents of the treaty to be edited according to following:
- All references towards arris shall be hereby rewritten JU17 and concern the new faction, thus 2.1.c will also remove reference to other Junkers, as they are as any other ally.
- new term 2.1.f JU17 will not use Tau systems for slave trade.
- new exclusion 2.1.h In warranted suspicion of slave trade or enslaving CR, IMG or Junkers, demanding stoppage and scanning cargo is allowed, as are the possible consequences of demanding slave cargo or engaging upon refusal. None of these actions break the terms of the treaty.
"Warranted suspicion" is of course a term suspect to abuse, but I'm certain you (and we) use such forceful methods in extreme cases only, and in the future prove the whole clause is not even required.
I have full confidence in you and am willing to give to your use any method you require in order to prevent this questionable business from being carried out within your ZOI. As you can see, the rewritten treaty will also include a solemn promise of JU17 not even considering such endeavours.
The complete treaty in it's corrected form is represented below. I hope you give it due consideration, honor JU17 with your hospitality, and let us both welcome each other in an operation, that in the future shows the House factions how uncivilized and unsecure their primitive methods have made their systems, and how prosperous proper resolve can be.
TREATY OF NON-HOSTILITY AND TRUCE BETWEEN CR AND JU17
1. PURPOSE AND AIM
1.1. The purpose of this treaty is, within the Tau sectors
a) Produce a peaceful and regular presence in Tau among trustworthy and respectful parties
b) Provide new opportunities of trade and influence
b) Limit and eventually cease unauthorized and hostile activity among any third parties, either by mitigating their hostile attitude towards the participants of this treaty, encouraging their participation in it, or by attempting to remove their presence completely
2. PARTICIPANTS
2.1. This treaty includes two groups as parties
a) The other party is the faction and it's members of Colonial Remnant. Hereby written "CR".
b) The other party is the faction and it's members of Independent Junkers' Union of 817 A.S. Hereby written "JU17"
c) The treaty as of now excludes any other group, be that an ally, or otherwise.
2. MUTUAL WITHDRAWAL
2.1. Both parties will respect each others' immunity and avoid conflicting situations
a) CR will grant JU17 uninterrupted right of passage through systems affected by CR Zone of Influence. Hereby written ZOI
b) CR will not demand stoppage, scan or demand cargo, or engage JU17
c) Pending threat of CR ZOI violations unless official business deemed lawful by both parties is presented, CR will first and foremost advice and request JU17 to cancel the threat
d) JU17 will recognize total CR authority within their ZOI at, but not limited to, Tau systems and avoid CR zones and operatives unless requested to do so, or unless on official business deemed lawful by both parties, pending presentation before approach
e) JU17 will not demand stoppage, scan or demand cargo, or engage CR
f) JU17 will not use Tau systems for slave trade
g) JU17 will heed and immediately attempt to fulfill all advice and requests of CR personnel pending course change or presence within CR controlled areas
h) In warranted suspicion of slave trade or enslaving CR, IMG or Junkers, demanding stoppage and scanning cargo is allowed, as are the possible consequences of demanding slave cargo or engaging upon refusal. None of these actions break the terms of the treaty.
3. MUTUAL NON-HOSTILITY AND LIMITED AID
a) CR will not help any entities during their engagement on JU17 vessels
b) CR will attempt to pick up ejected JU17 pilots, and release them to the nearest neutral (i.e. Freeport) or Junker facility
c) JU17 will not help any entities during their engagement on CR vessels
b) JU17 will attempt to pick up ejected CR pilots, and release them to the nearest neutral (i.e. Freeport) or CR facility
e) Unless conflicting alliance treaty or force majeure so prevents, rendering military aid to treaty participant in said engagements, and advicing nearby friendly or neutral entities to act according to the treaty is of mutual interest. Politics or other reasons so dictating, it is, however, not mandatory
f) The participants to the treaty have complete and total rights of self preservation and defence, when dealing with allies of the said parties. The single exclusion to this, any ejected entities belonging to either CR and IMG, or Junkers, are to be released at the nearest neutral (ie. Freeport) or faction facility.
4. LIABILITY, CHANGE AND TERMINATION OF TREATY
4.1. Both parties approve the existence of other and non-intrusive, peaceful conduct of business, unless provided terms are deliberately broken
a) All deliberate attempts to break terms contained within the treaty justify, but do not necessitate immediate cancelling of the said treaty by wronged party
b) The party breaking treaty terms is liable for all damages caused, assessed in mutual diplomatic negotiations
c) The treaty is open for any proposed changes, pending mutual agreement
Unless you have any other requests of negotiation or clarification, I propose this draft is now complete and to both parties' best interests. I submit it to the honorary consideration of our friends the Colonial Remnants, and surrender myself to your grace.