Gammu Artificial Intelligence is not the bedrock for AI roleplay within the mod, as way before GAI were ever really a thing, people were roleplaying AI, and people still roleplay AI outside of GAI today, Gammu Artificial Intelligence is an alien race that is distrusted by all humans, and they pretty much always get shot as they refuse to follow orders from lawful entities, scan people, interfere with ship systems, and pirates kill everyone, including GAI, It makes sense that only the most neutral of the neutral would allow Gammu AI to dock on their bases, IE Freelancer and Zoner Freeports.
This rephack is a much needed change to stop a lot of the roleplay breaking things Gammu Artificial Intelligence players do, like dock on lawful bases when lawfuls tell them to leave their house. Yeah so you don't like it, but clearly you threw any actual logic to the wind and are arguing it's bad specifically from the point of view that it ruins your gameplay, without any thought given to how it affects others to interact with the faction itself.
And before someone claims I have a dog in the fight, all the characters I play shot AI before, and I will continue to shoot AI regardless of the change, it just stops whacky roleplay breaking actions from being done which actually benefits GAI, because now people can take them more seriously rather than knowing they can dock any moment on a base that would otherwise entirely refuse them docking access as the skeptical human race would and the AI on board the station would due to Gammu being an unknown entity to them.
(08-25-2020, 11:17 AM)Kauket Wrote: You're still aliens. You can still gain docking rights via diplomacy, so just do that?? That's what we did with the previous AI factions and they can dock on our stations.
The whole idea is that AI can be roleplayed in different ways, that means there will never be a unified OF, especially now that the ID has been nerfed to oblivion - I wouldn't be surprised if all the players just gave up. And tell me, who benefits from this - disrupting the gameplay and effort put in, allowed by mistake or not.
90% of the factions that exist can't dock on Gammu bases so why should they allow the Gammu AI to dock on theirs?
Gammu AI 3 bases
Entire sirius minus zoner freelancer ===>do the math
(08-25-2020, 11:37 AM)Sniper Wrote: Honestly, what harm has been done that demands a putting a sledge hammer to it. Let sleeping dog lie. It was working.
Ask yourself. Has anything been harmed with the way it was? No. Was anyone disadvantaged? No. Did anyone care? No.
And why are the powers that be so reluctant to right a wrong?
Just my opinion, but I think there is always something else to the little things that happen here. What seems like a generic change is likely to target something specific. Any events coming up with the AI ID? Possible sieges? Or, anyone flee to an Order/Core base or Ennibeck Freeport? Just takes fleeing from one dev or someone that knows one and *poof* the whole game changes around you. No one cares until they're gonna lose a blue and then its suddenly time to 'fix' it.
I learned the hard way that some 'players' here can make changes to suit themselves, and they will quietly change the whole game to win while acting like the players were in the wrong.
I don't get it, who's "winning" here? Indies will still bring cruisers to houses for one time trips, as indies do.
PvP players will still PvP (but why when you have Nomad ID with way better ships).
It just totally shafts existing active players with no benefit no anybody
I very much doubt this was intentional to screw someone. Just went like "look 0.55 one way not reciprocated" technical change
Furthering my point, GAI have a history of collecting data, killing humans in fringe worlds and allying with nomads for some reason, Cryer got told to piss off a ton just for doing a quick survey on blood types by most people, some even said it was classified information, so take a possible enemy scout, just sitting there collecting data on a police officer. You think that given their history people aren't going to respond negatively to that? Just like with any collective or group, one of your members screws up, you all look bad,If you wanna change the rephack, do roleplay with people so that they no longer look at you with suspicion and immediately enter a defensive state when GAI arrive.
That's one of the main problems in this mod that has persisted through the years, instead of roleplaying to change something, people do discord diplomacy, or whine on the forums to get their way instead of actually moving to roleplay. So things happen without people being on the same page and communication issues develop within the staff.
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It does benefit people. It benefits everyone from not seeing alien ID'd ships oorply docking on stations. No one can dock on AI stations, AI can't dock on theirs.
It's not that hard to understand. Just roleplay your diplomacy and stop acting like a spoilt brat because the ID's rephacks were broken for a long time. Literally everyone else has to roleplay theirs.
(08-25-2020, 11:17 AM)Kauket Wrote: You're still aliens. You can still gain docking rights via diplomacy, so just do that?? That's what we did with the previous AI factions and they can dock on our stations.
The whole idea is that AI can be roleplayed in different ways, that means there will never be a unified OF, especially now that the ID has been nerfed to oblivion - I wouldn't be surprised if all the players just gave up. And tell me, who benefits from this - disrupting the gameplay and effort put in, allowed by mistake or not.
90% of the factions that exist can't dock on Gammu bases so why should they allow the Gammu AI to dock on theirs?
Gammu AI 3 bases
Entire sirius minus zoner freelancer ===>do the math
As I asked already, what exactly will be the problem?
(08-25-2020, 11:44 AM)Lumik8 Wrote: Honest question - what harm is done by the no-dock rephack actually? I mean, AIs and especially GAIs are not supposed to be traders anyway as far as I understood, and what I see here and there people mostly claim they play them for roleplay interactions in-game or on forums. How is that affected by the limited docking ability?
Not to mention that as other said, you will have chance to RP out access to some bases with their owning factions. Also, previous state was seriously broken if AIs/GAIs were allowed to dock even on unlawful bases, especially for example Xenos, a faction which shoot even majority of humans, so unknown living robots would get shreded before they would get anywhere near them (not to mention that inRP most of those bases are well hidden).
(08-25-2020, 11:17 AM)Kauket Wrote: You're still aliens. You can still gain docking rights via diplomacy, so just do that?? That's what we did with the previous AI factions and they can dock on our stations.
The whole idea is that AI can be roleplayed in different ways, that means there will never be a unified OF, especially now that the ID has been nerfed to oblivion - I wouldn't be surprised if all the players just gave up. And tell me, who benefits from this - disrupting the gameplay and effort put in, allowed by mistake or not.
90% of the factions that exist can't dock on Gammu bases so why should they allow the Gammu AI to dock on theirs?
Gammu AI 3 bases
Entire sirius minus zoner freelancer ===>do the math
It's not about on how many bases someone can dock and not dock. It's about the RP reason. If the said faction doesn't allow me to dock my ships on their bases, why should I allow them to dock on mine? There are enough freeports you guys can park your ships on scattered around Sirius, even inside house borders.
I have to actually agree with the opossing forces - While i dislike the change personally i can't do anything but agree with the fact you should independantly Roleplay for access! It's only fair that you use RP to your advantage in this situation!
Though i'd quite happily give any human a suicide tour on Planet Gammu if you love severe radiation poisoning!!
I flew a GAI drone for over three years. In all that time I could land at most bases. Most reps were neutral to the point we could not do missions, but we could land. I mapped a significant amount of Sirius. For three years and then some.
For over three years the Rephack allowed docking. For over a year now I've been Rping the Daoine Saorise based on the ID info and the background lore of the GAI.
In those three years The Collective, the Harvesters, AI indies etc operated under this level of access at that time. No one complained about the AI Rep.
It was the norm, standard. For over three years no one was concerned about it, no one raised their hackles, no one actually cared. It was GAI's normal default rep.
Over two months ago I reported a server bug which was fixed. It seems this stimulated the reaction by Snakthree and others just a few days ago.