Players Banned: Kauket, Hopewell

[Wildkins]

@Kauket and @Hopewell have been banned for:

1.1 - Discovery is an English-language roleplaying server. ... Metagaming and powergaming are strictly forbidden.

2.0 - Every ship must have one ID equipped, and play in a way that represents the role of that ID. Your ID explains what you can do and where. Some IDs have a 'Zone of Influence' (ZOI) where extra actions are permitted. All IDs have a ZOI in systems containing an NPC station of the same affiliation.
2.3 - All IDs can... Demand Cerulite Crystals, Chirodebris, Cryo-Organisms, and Organic Capacitors from non-Allies.

Consequences:

Both of you are long-standing members of the community, and one of you an active member of the staff (development) team. So I'll preface this with the obvious statement - you should both know better.

@Kauket, you attacked a fellow Technocracy ship with no in-roleplay justification beyond being suspicious, which you only were because of metagamed or otherwise OORP knowledge you had about the player behind the character. Without judicious roleplay justification such an act is blatantly against the rules, specifically 2.0 and 2.3. Of course, you did this because you believed the person was actually supplying a base hostile to Technocracy with Uncharted materials, and was using a Technocracy alt to slip past your embargo.

Which is exactly what you were doing, @Hopewell. You created a Technocracy character with the explicit purpose of smuggling out Uncharted materials to your POBs (or for other purposes). You did this because you knew that @Kauket and Auxesia as a whole were keeping a tight rein on Earhart activities at the time, and you would likely be pirated by any ship that wasn't explicitly allied to the Technocracy / Auxesia.

As such, you'll both be taking a month off of the server.

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[Kauket]

evidence pls

[Kauket]

ok I was given the date for reference.

Respectfully I find it a little silly to get a month ban - the same length for someone who was doing an exploit. where someone knew the risk of doing that to bypass someone. I didn't know for sure if he was supplying an unfriendly POB. That's why I questioned him.

And when he entered, he said he was going for organics in my PM. Turns out when he left, he didn't even have any on him. Didn't even have a mining laser equipped.


I got sus of him because I saw him flying from below plane going to on plane
(there was another dude in system hiding off plane I was hunting who looted stuff, and said dude had other friends on ships come in to engage and fail, so yes I did get a feeling this was their plan B for failing to pvp me. I didn't screenshot in time of initially seeing it being off plane, but if he was coming from the gate, he would have come from the right side).

I saw that he certainly did not have any organic capacitors on him. I would have let him leave if he had some (he still has space for SOME after hauling. ) and thought it would have been fair game. It just didn't add up on the OORP side or inRP.

He was given several chances, both in the inrp circumstances and OORP to explain where is he going, what base is he supplying. Had he PM'd me afterwards and been upfront - if it was truly a neutral base because I started wondering if it was one of the bases in Coronado, I would have given it back. He did not attempt to reach a resolution in PMs, as suggested in the VR template. I waited online, I was flying back for a good 20 minutes anyway. There was no reach out. Nothing.


But during the interaction; when you refuse to answer, say your destination is classified, and refuse a reach of trust (I asked to carry it for him to the base to check if he's sincere - Cause I thought it was sus. Turns out I was right, huh?) Constantly trying to cruise away without answering. I did stop firing at one point to get them to give a final answer and they had plenty of time to respond, but they ultimately didn't want to.

I don't have many screenshots or clips, basically those two screenshots, but I do have a random few secs of the PM and conversation (or therelack of)


him mentioning he was there for organics


Yeah, yeah, I could have used FR1 which would have validated this encounter even further but I didn't get time to tag. Not sure it would have changed much here, I'm guessing the VR would have gone through anyway. I wasn't expecting that to happen nor could I put it on.


Didn't make mention of any names of the bases there, nor do we know of any other pobs in Inverness. Didn't even make any effort to roleplay his way out. He was just constantly trying to cruise away without a word. Yup, that's sus. Definitely an RP motive. I wasn't relentlessly shredding him without pause. So he certainly had time to respond. No effort was made to even give a reply beyond a half arsed effort to leave without a word after saying classified or 'maybe Inverness'. Feels like a bit of a double standard in the community to say you're allowed to RP with others and sus them out if you feel like something doesn't look quite right.

you attacked a fellow Technocracy ship with no in-roleplay justification beyond being suspicious, which you only were because of metagamed or otherwise OORP knowledge you had about the player behind the character.

I didn't know who it was, I only vaguely guessed it was a 'genre' of this community's playerbase based from what suspicious PMs I had nagging me to stop playing because they wanted to get things (lmao!). Not sure if that even matters anyway? It doesn't matter who came through, or who held it, I was there for it, not anyone else. This is completely irrelevant.


Sure I was little blood thirsty, because I had to deal with people bringing alts to try and kill me already, but there was most certainly a chance given to the player, I was still skeptical. And they had more than enough opportunity to type something back.



Why even punish anyone at this point, just let them take the L and give a A+ for effort and slap on the back of the head for trying to exploit rather than a harsh ban lmao.

There's no precedence being set here beyond... It's okay to use an alt throwaway with no RP, no effort at all, because you're immune to repercussion and no one can do anything about it and they'll still gain the Material Condition. Because at the worst they lose a few credits for being OORP or time off the server.

Or the other example being set here is that we're going to ban players over a lack of communication.

[Hopewell]

Greetings to the whole team. Let’s see what this constituted.

Well, you’re saying that I made the character to provide a hostile POB, which has not been proven, in Kauket’s own words. You’re pretending to know what I was thinking or about doing as if you were omniscients. Are you? I don’t think so. How could you know? You can’t because you didn’t do your research right, because if you did, you would have found a Technocracy character from the Kansas Scientific Data camp over three years ago. I did, at that time, when Kauket destroyed my Civilian Explorer GB ship twice. I used it to check for characters suspected of being Bowex enemies in the system. At that time I was Lider Bowex, before I ceded leadership to St.Denis. So I think you should discard this question, if you want to continue to be believed as able to judge, which I ask, if this was done by only one Admin, that the others check and do not fall into disrepute in the eyes of this community that we love so much. I’m 64 years old and I’m not used to lying.

Second point about: You also said "You created a Technocracy character with the explicit purpose of smuggling Unexplored materials into your POBs (or for other purposes)." This has never been against the rules, and people do it all the time for all factions. As far as I understand, no exotic material is earned for a specific Faction, ID, caste or system of any house except that it was very favorable to Liberty for having direct access and also Omicron Deep through Omicron Minor. Therefore, this question also falls apart, because there is nothing against mining, collecting, transporting to wherever it is.

Now, let’s talk about interpretation in the ingame game.Do not exist in the annals of our laws that oblige an personnage to reveal his intentions, even to a hostile character. Of course, in the case of the hostile, the weather is clouded and can have deadly consequences, but it is impossible, by the laws of DiscoveryGC, to have your ship destroyed by an impersonation of the same ID and IFF, without penalty, because of this law here:
2.8 - All IDs can:
Claim rewards for kills within their Zone of Influence on bounty boards.
Attack Nomads and Wild ID ships within their own Zone of Influence.
Attack Nomads and Wild ID ships to defend allied or neutral ships outside their own Zone of Influence.
Attack others to defend allied ships within their own Zone of Influence.
Attack others in self-defence.
Defend ships of the same affiliation anywhere except in cruisers or above outside of ZOI.
Have ZoI in Earhart
Can pirate any NON ALLIED players for the following resources: Cerulite Crystals, Chirodebris, Cryo-Organisms, Dark Matter Cores, and Organic Capacitors whilst in Uncharted Systems.


Can pirate any NON ALLIED players for the following resources: Cerulite Crystals, Chirodebris, Cryo-Organisms, Dark Matter Cores, and Organic Capacitors whilst in Uncharted Systems.
2.9 - The following definitions apply to all IDs:
"Alien(s)" - AI, Nomad, Vagrant, or Wild ID ships.
"Allies" - Ships of the same non-Generic affiliation or ID; Ships defined as your ID's allies on the in-game faction rep sheet; Ships working under a valid escort contract; or Ships you are currently flying in group with.


"Allies" - Ships of the same non-Generic affiliation or ID; Ships defined as your ID's allies on the in-game faction rep sheet; Ships working under a valid escort contract; or Ships you are currently flying in group with.
*2.6 - Every character must have only one type of ID equipped and must play according to the role and restrictions of that ID. Additional restrictions may be highlighted in red on ship, commodity, and equipment infocards. If ID restrictions and allowances conflict with the server rules, the ID overrides the rules (except 2.8 and 3.4).

Therefore, this statement stands out as true. " You attacked a Technocracy ship without any game justification other than being suspicious, which you were only because of the metagame knowledge or otherwise OORP you had about the player behind the character."

Finally, here’s my reason for exiting the system with nothing: My impersonation flew to Uncharted 5 only to collect a weapon called BEOWULF in Caracal Wrek and another material called Dark Matter Core. That day I did not find the BEOWULF, because some other character had already picked up and so I just had the Dark Matter Core, which surely the friend Kauket must have collected. That is the truth and only the truth to be proven in the way that anyone in the Administration wants to verify.

And as for the English language, when I joined this community I did not know anything about English, but advised by several friends here I started with Duo Lingo, but I still can not fly and at the same time type as quickly as I read. Therefore, when I am in a group at the event, I read the leader’s commands very well, but I prefer, after the proper greetings to Role in Play, to shoot and if possible to contribute to the team that I am victorious. And I went even further in learning to read English writing; now I’m preparing for a college, not languages, of course. I haven’t decided what to do due to my age, but I get there.

That's why I'm asking you to unban me from this sanction. I even ask that you not penalize Kauket. I'm sure he'll think more carefully from now on, as will I. But if, in any way, other than that unreasonable, I have offended someone in the community, please forgive me, out of charity.

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[Wildkins]

I have placed down the full relevant chat logs used for this sanction below, with the involved characters (@Hopewell as -/.\-Sistemaq, @Kauket as Night.Train) highlighted and chat colored to reflect private vs local chat. First, though, I would like to engage with some claims from both of you:

First.

So I think you should discard this question, if you want to continue to be believed as able to judge, which I ask, if this was done by only one Admin, that the others check and do not fall into disrepute in the eyes of this community that we love so much. I’m 64 years old and I’m not used to lying.

The decision to sanction was a unanimous staff decision, with all active admins and moderators agreeing to move forward. The sentence was more split between duration of bans and/or deleting assets, but ended up at a one-month ban.

Your ship, -/.\-Sistemaq, was originally named Scar.Face before being renamed on the 1st of February. Scar.Face was created as an Auxesia restart on the 17th of January, 2024. The only interaction Sistemaq has had on the server was on the 5th of February - this incident - and two separate instances of changing prices on Secret Valley Workshop on the 1st and 6th of February. I think it's rather fair of me to say that the ship was created with the express purpose of funneling materials out of the Uncharteds to bypass Auxesia embargos and was used to supply a BMM installation.

And when he entered, he said he was going for organics in my PM. Turns out when he left, he didn't even have any on him. Didn't even have a mining laser equipped.

The problem with this is that you gained this knowledge from an OORP interaction. Specifically:

05/02/2024 18:17:41 Night.Train->-/.\-Sistemaq: // just an FYI the codeguns + core were likely looted, not so sure about the asteroid
05/02/2024 18:18:46 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: i just need Organic
05/02/2024 18:19:10 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: Thanks to your info

So then acting off of those suspicions in-roleplay makes no sense. Night.Train had no knowledge of the fact that this ship said they were going for one material, but came out with another. You said Salutations, they responded hey, and the next interaction was you seeing them with the DMC and saying:

05/02/2024 18:36:28 Night.Train->unch05: Where are you headed, pilot?
05/02/2024 18:37:28 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: Top Secret is my way, my friend, maybe Inverness
05/02/2024 18:37:38 Night.Train->unch05: That is not a sufficient answer.
05/02/2024 18:38:06 Night.Train->unch05: Surrender it.
05/02/2024 18:38:21 Night.Train->unch05: Vague answers are not sufficient.

Yeah, yeah, I could have used FR1 which would have validated this encounter even further but I didn't get time to tag. Not sure it would have changed much here, I'm guessing the VR would have gone through anyway. I wasn't expecting that to happen nor could I put it on.

Second point about: You also said "You created a Technocracy character with the explicit purpose of smuggling Unexplored materials into your POBs (or for other purposes)." This has never been against the rules, and people do it all the time for all factions. As far as I understand, no exotic material is earned for a specific Faction, ID, caste or system of any house except that it was very favorable to Liberty for having direct access and also Omicron Deep through Omicron Minor. Therefore, this question also falls apart, because there is nothing against mining, collecting, transporting to wherever it is.

Let me be extremely clear here: there is a reason you were both sanctioned.

@Kauket, if in some hypothetical world you had evidence from prior interaction that a particular character was using their Technocracy status to sneak Uncharted materials out of Earhart for a hostile third party, you could absolutely confront them and engage them. You didn't have that here, by your own admission. You had a hunch (which was later proven correct) based on the relatively easy assumption that people would stoop to hiding behind a friendly ID to sneak out materials for themselves. But it could've just as easily been that it was a newer player, or one that was confused. Maybe they were going in for organics and then saw the DMC was available, and ran to go stash it before coming back. Maybe they were confused why a friendly player was suddenly demanding to know where they were going, and to hold their item that they know is valuable. It's a much, much better idea to let us sort these things out for this reason.

@Hopewell, again in a vacuum there is nothing wrong with gathering materials as any faction under the sun, Technocracy included. The 'charge' here however is metagaming - you knew, based on the chat logs below, that @Kauket was keeping anybody from getting materials out of the Uncharteds. So you brought in a Technocracy alt with the explicit purpose of gathering those materials, knowing that @Kauket wouldn't dare shoot an allied ship. You even knew that grabbing your friend's BEOWULF and smuggling it out would be OORP and sanctionable, but for some reason you didn't expand that to your own efforts to sneak out with uncharted materials to your POB. Under no circumstances does it make any RP sense that a Technocracy ship would go into the Uncharteds and loot Dark Matter Cores and BEOWULFs to stock a BMM POB.

There's no precedence being set here beyond... It's okay to use an alt throwaway with no RP, no effort at all, because you're immune to repercussion and no one can do anything about it and they'll still gain the Material Condition. Because at the worst they lose a few credits for being OORP or time off the server.

The one-month ban was chosen out of the interest of fairness and the expectation that as veteran players, you'll both learn to do better in the respective ways you went wrong in this. The other option floated around was removing substantial portions of both of your uncharted materials, but this was the preferred action for a number of reasons. I have no qualms with zeroing out POB cargo storage instead.

05/02/2024 18:14:14 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: Nova, this my ship is Auxo no worries with me
05/02/2024 18:14:27 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: Damn
05/02/2024 18:14:32 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: hahaha
05/02/2024 18:14:43 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: was hoping you's kill Night Train
05/02/2024 18:15:00 Biggs->Patol.71th: thats Hopewell in Earhart
05/02/2024 18:15:22 Biggs->Patol.71th: he's in a Aux char
05/02/2024 18:15:34 Biggs->Patol.71th: come to help his mate
05/02/2024 18:15:38 Patol.71th->-/.\-Sistemaq: coming
05/02/2024 18:16:35 Patol.71th->Biggs: he ws red too ?
05/02/2024 18:16:36 Night.Train->unch05: Salutations.
05/02/2024 18:16:46 Biggs->Patol.71th: he's an Aux yes
05/02/2024 18:16:53 -/.\-Sistemaq->unch05: hey
05/02/2024 18:17:02 Patol.71th->Biggs: he helps night train what the ***** ?
05/02/2024 18:17:14 Biggs->Patol.71th: he just killed my chance of escape
05/02/2024 18:17:41 Night.Train->-/.\-Sistemaq: // just an FYI the codeguns + core were likely looted, not so sure about the asteroid
05/02/2024 18:17:49 Patol.71th->Biggs: wait Hopewell come to help Night train .
05/02/2024 18:17:57 Biggs->Patol.71th: i don't know
05/02/2024 18:18:07 Patol.71th->Biggs: just when i told him to be carefull ?
05/02/2024 18:18:09 Biggs->Patol.71th: but it's looking kinds weird
05/02/2024 18:18:19 Patol.71th->Biggs: you sure it him ?
05/02/2024 18:18:36 Biggs->Patol.71th: yes, he just said not to worry about him being Aux
05/02/2024 18:18:46 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: i just need Organic
05/02/2024 18:18:52 Patol.71th->Biggs: taking the dakmatter ?
05/02/2024 18:19:01 Night.Train->unch05: Another day.
05/02/2024 18:19:02 Biggs->Patol.71th: not sure
05/02/2024 18:19:04 Night.Train->unch05: Another corporate underdog.
05/02/2024 18:19:10 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: Thanks to your info
05/02/2024 18:19:11 Night.Train->unch05: Let's deal with you promptly.
05/02/2024 18:19:22 Night.Train->unch05: Weapons up.
05/02/2024 18:19:26 Patol.71th->unch05: Enemy on scanners target his ship and blow it up Crew !
05/02/2024 18:19:27 Night.Train->unch05: Pray we have mercy.
05/02/2024 18:20:07 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: what do you have in your hold?
05/02/2024 18:20:18 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: *howl*
05/02/2024 18:20:38 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: organic?
05/02/2024 18:21:00 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: no, Beowulf, 5 hours this gimp been waiting at the jh for me
05/02/2024 18:21:15 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: 5 damn hours!!!
05/02/2024 18:22:42 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: give me the BEO and i1ll take i away
05/02/2024 18:23:10 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: no, that would be oorp and sanctionable.
05/02/2024 18:23:17 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: he can't shoot me
05/02/2024 18:23:50 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i destroy you then
05/02/2024 18:23:53 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: you think, Staff can do as they please, their LN kill my LSF!
05/02/2024 18:25:03 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: log something else & kill the *****.

[05.02.2024 18:25:54] Player Death: Patol.71th perished at Night.Train's hands (100%) , total 60750
[05.02.2024 18:25:54] NOTICE: Death charname=Patol.71th killername=Night.Train system=unch05

05/02/2024 18:25:56 Night.Train->unch05: Whoops.
05/02/2024 18:26:00 Patol.71th->Biggs: haha BHa
05/02/2024 18:26:17 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: Moon death?
05/02/2024 18:26:34 Biggs->Patol.71th: and what would my starflier do, haha
05/02/2024 18:26:43 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: yes
05/02/2024 18:26:45 Patol.71th->Biggs: is hopewell taking the gun ?
05/02/2024 18:26:48 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: twice now
05/02/2024 18:26:54 Biggs->Patol.71th: no
05/02/2024 18:27:03 Patol.71th->Biggs: so why he is there ?
05/02/2024 18:27:10 Patol.71th->Biggs: to spy ?
05/02/2024 18:27:23 Biggs->Patol.71th: asked by gimpo?
05/02/2024 18:27:28 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: server restart new?
05/02/2024 18:27:38 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: 5 hours ago
05/02/2024 18:27:49 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i have DMC
05/02/2024 18:28:09 Patol.71th->Biggs: more mines lost
05/02/2024 18:28:15 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: so he left it, they must have too many now
05/02/2024 18:28:56 Patol.71th->Biggs: the 2 shield are saving him
05/02/2024 18:29:10 Patol.71th->Biggs: now we know why that ship have 2
05/02/2024 18:29:11 Biggs->Patol.71th: bummer
05/02/2024 18:29:15 Patol.71th->Biggs: Intened
05/02/2024 18:29:26 Patol.71th->Biggs: going for dinner
05/02/2024 18:29:30 Biggs->Patol.71th: and why it's now sold on Aux bases
05/02/2024 18:29:40 Patol.71th->Biggs: next hour round 2
05/02/2024 18:29:59 Patol.71th->Biggs: slowly drain him mood haha
05/02/2024 18:30:07 Patol.71th->Biggs: later
05/02/2024 18:30:08 Biggs->Patol.71th: 5h 30m is the record now
05/02/2024 18:30:12 Biggs->Patol.71th: later
05/02/2024 18:30:42 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i'll be back with Witefield
05/02/2024 18:31:16 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: all this just to deny me a damn gun
05/02/2024 18:33:47 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: want me to destroy you and save BEO?
05/02/2024 18:34:06 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: no, he'll kill or report you for oorp
05/02/2024 18:34:43 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: he's reading everything we say.
05/02/2024 18:35:19 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: Ok.... nope, then
05/02/2024 18:35:53 Night.Train->unch05: Where are you headed?
05/02/2024 18:35:56 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: DMC on me
05/02/2024 18:36:03 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: when it gets sick, it'll have me kicked from the server anyway.
05/02/2024 18:36:19 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: and BEOWULF?
05/02/2024 18:36:24 Night.Train->-/.\-Sistemaq: it was looted already.
05/02/2024 18:36:25 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: bad loser
05/02/2024 18:36:28 Night.Train->unch05: Where are you headed, pilot?
05/02/2024 18:37:05 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: is it still at the jh?
05/02/2024 18:37:28 -/.\-Sistemaq->Night.Train: Top Secret is my way, my friend, maybe Inverness
05/02/2024 18:37:38 Night.Train->unch05: That is not a sufficient answer.
05/02/2024 18:38:06 Night.Train->unch05: Surrender it.
05/02/2024 18:38:21 Night.Train->unch05: Vague answers are not sufficient.
05/02/2024 18:38:32 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: why you shot me?
05/02/2024 18:38:55 Night.Train->hi10: If Inverness is truly your destination, then you will have no problem with me securing it and taking it there.
05/02/2024 18:39:36 Night.Train->hi10: So I will reiterate:
05/02/2024 18:39:37 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: he disrrupted me .. prepare to way
05/02/2024 18:39:38 Night.Train->hi10: Surrender it.
05/02/2024 18:39:59 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: he can't thats oorp & sanctionable
05/02/2024 18:39:59 Night.Train->hi10: Attempting to run? Refusing to talk?
05/02/2024 18:40:12 Night.Train->hi10: All the signs of a suspicious individual. 'Top Secret' - There are no secrets among us.
05/02/2024 18:40:18 -/.\-Sistemaq->hi10: i don't why do you mean this
05/02/2024 18:40:19 Night.Train->hi10: Proceeding to detain individual.
05/02/2024 18:42:14 Night.Train->hi10: Last chance, where were you headed?
05/02/2024 18:43:08 Night.Train->hi10: Empty minds, empty words, of a false pilot.
05/02/2024 18:43:11 Night.Train->hi10: Die, traitor.

[05.02.2024 18:43:19] Player Death: -/.\-Sistemaq died to Night.Train (100%) , total 249469
[05.02.2024 18:43:19] NOTICE: Death charname=-/.\-Sistemaq killername=Night.Train system=hi10

05/02/2024 18:43:46 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: file a VR against him for breaking the rules
05/02/2024 18:44:28 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: thats bang out of order.
05/02/2024 18:45:49 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i print all. He destroyed Auxo too
05/02/2024 18:46:13 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: they think they're protected by Admin, maybe they are.
05/02/2024 18:46:35 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: or is that an Admin?
05/02/2024 18:46:50 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: either way, file a report.
05/02/2024 18:47:19 Biggs->-/.\-Sistemaq: well, thats up to you but they'll keep getting away with it
05/02/2024 18:47:20 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i do
05/02/2024 18:47:31 -/.\-Sistemaq->Biggs: i'll report it
05/02/2024 18:48:41 Biggs->The.White.Whale: he just killed Hopewell
05/02/2024 18:49:11 The.White.Whale->Biggs: he is killing the same ID ?
05/02/2024 18:49:15 Biggs->The.White.Whale: yes
05/02/2024 18:49:21 The.White.Whale->Biggs: report
05/02/2024 18:49:57 Night.Train->-/.\-Sistemaq: // Why would you make an alt of a faction char to supply a hostile base though?
05/02/2024 18:50:03 Biggs->The.White.Whale: Hopey says he's taking the screens
05/02/2024 18:50:11 The.White.Whale->Biggs: what was hopwell doing there anyways with same ID ?
05/02/2024 18:50:24 Biggs->The.White.Whale: he was going for the DMC
05/02/2024 18:50:29 Biggs->The.White.Whale: it was still there
05/02/2024 18:50:35 The.White.Whale->Biggs: good report him
05/02/2024 18:50:43 Biggs->The.White.Whale: he had it in his hold
05/02/2024 18:50:58 Biggs->The.White.Whale: so gimpo left it as they got too many
05/02/2024 18:51:13 The.White.Whale->Biggs: with screan as proof

[Kauket]

. But it could've just as easily been that it was a newer player, or one that was confused. Maybe they were going in for organics and then saw the DMC was available, and ran to go stash it before coming back. Maybe they were confused why a friendly player was suddenly demanding to know where they were going, and to hold their item that they know is valuable. It's a much, much better idea to let us sort these things out for this reason.

That's why I said I had doubts and questioned. As you saw in the logs, I did reach out. Most new players who are confused would respond, or even retort with such a claim in PM. Or at the very least, rage? There was nothing on Discord either.

Yeah, that's OORP info with the PMs. But let's be honest, the moment I realised he was likely using an alt to bypass restrictions - when he was coming from below plane - that's when I became immediately sus as fuck. (It was already far gone from RP because they didn't come here to RP anyway to be honest). Not that there was much effort to try and talk it out from their end.

And obviously I came there to loot the wrecks. But the other dude got there first, as I discovered. That's why I was camping. But, seeing the wrecks HP being depleted, could you insinuate that silly game mechanic is inRP despite it existing in the game? I knew it was taken, I was obviously there to loot both of them it myself. And I knew there was another ship in the area somewhere. We were there for hours.

You can't say they didn't have any opportunity to talk either, so if they were sincere and innocent there was a chance to resolve this. Even after they were blasted, I had PM'd them. I baited with a provocative question because I wanted them to talk instead of being silent. There was no elaboration, no attempt to talk. No response. I would have given it back if it was someone who was genuinely confused. No effort was made to PM despite being online for at least 20 mins more or so.

You can't say this was in deliberate malicion when an effort is made to talk. All they had to do was talk or reply. I certainly had some doubts incase my hunch was wrong. Because I thought this MIGHT have gone to CSA pob in Coronado when I saw a ship swap to a thing there. I wasn't certain.



I honest to god - think both of these bans are redundant and silly. Someone tried to cheat - refused to talk, but failed by trial of fire. And I got banned for forgetting to tag a ship and having deductive reasoning to suspect something is wrong. Draconian and crude by being a vigilante and letting him live with his failed effort, yes, but the L was already there. A lesson to learn at least.


Though it's still incredibly humoring to me that you're considering what I did was about as bad as someone willingly intending to exploit/cheat to be honest?? It's excessive.

[Wildkins]

And I got banned for forgetting to tag a ship and having deductive reasoning to suspect something is wrong.

No, you were banned for breaking ID rules and metagaming. If your ship was tagged A/)-Night.Train, you'd still be banned. If you thought "hey, I think this person switched to an allied ship to try and sneak stuff past me", and sent that in as a VR, you wouldn't be. It's about that simple.

[Kauket]

Faction Right 1. Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction, however, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and second in command(s) of the faction. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances).

Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, this right can only be used if the faction leader of each make a unified decision to exercise it.

No. You can absolutely question them. There's plenty of valid RP surrounding it, it's a dangerous object and you'd absolutely want to make sure it's going somewhere safe. This is canon RP to watch over alien goods.

Can you consider wrecks as a part of the inRP environment despite it being in the game mechanic? Because that was obviously the main instigator here. The biggest hint of something being wrong.

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[Wildkins]

We're getting into the weeds of a circumstance that didn't happen - you weren't tagged, and if you had suddenly run off between encounters to tag your months-old untagged ship just to FR1 an indie, that would also be extremely wack in itself. You witnessed a potential rule violation, and you broke ID lines to solve it rather than taking it to a VR like a staff member should.

Unless either of you have some new exculpatory evidence to bring up, the ban stands and the discussion has run its course.

[Kauket]

I don't know if the server is logging it but the character is not months old. It's deleted after every run and remade just before restart, hence why I said I didn't have time to tag. It is a relevant detail, I had no one around to help transfer the ID and was lower on cash to keep burning through 400k-300k restarts constantly (tagging costs 100k) - not to mention the 180 battery jump.

Personally I'm content with simply with them living with a failed attempt rather than try to get someone else banned.

Regardless. There was still an effort made to talk, and none on the other end in any case. Disappointing that you're assuming the worst here. Ridiculous.

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