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The Republic of Liberty Laws Wrote:IV. Non-violent crimes.
In addition to the most common crimes as outlined above, it is illegal to commit the following in Liberty:
Impersonating an officer.
This is defined as falsely claiming to be part of any branch of the Liberty forces and acting in a manner which would vindicate such a claim.
Fleeing from an officer when stopped.
This is defined as fleeing any officer when he or she is attempting to question you. If an officer stops you using a cruise disruptor, that is an expression of his or her will to stop you. Ignoring this is a crime.
The reality is that if you complied with a simple "stop" demand, which every lawful does any time he wants to interact with a fleeing target, you wouldn't have gotten shot in the first place. Why you didn't stop is beyond me, but you can't blame anyone except yourself. Had you stopped we could've had a conversation with words rather than guns. Roleplay has consequences.
As for the fight itself, it was hardly a fight if it lasted 10 seconds before the mortar hit.
The Republic of Liberty Laws Wrote:IV. Non-violent crimes.
In addition to the most common crimes as outlined above, it is illegal to commit the following in Liberty:
Impersonating an officer.
This is defined as falsely claiming to be part of any branch of the Liberty forces and acting in a manner which would vindicate such a claim.
Fleeing from an officer when stopped.
This is defined as fleeing any officer when he or she is attempting to question you. If an officer stops you using a cruise disruptor, that is an expression of his or her will to stop you. Ignoring this is a crime.
The reality is that if you complied with a simple "stop" demand, which every lawful does any time he wants to interact with a fleeing target, you wouldn't have gotten shot in the first place. Why you didn't stop is beyond me, but you can't blame anyone except yourself. Had you stopped we could've had a conversation with words rather than guns. Roleplay has consequences.
As for the fight itself, it was hardly a fight if it lasted 10 seconds before the mortar hit.
Liberty primary fleets in the past held themselves to a standard where they went after ships in ships that had a chance of resisting, should they choose. I was a Freelancer pissing around in New York bored, I wasn't going anywhere. Instead of switching, the choice to harass a snub in a capital ship was made. I'm well aware of what I got shot for; I just don't expect that from primary fleets. So ya held me there until an appropriate ship arrived to shoot me, cool. It did, and.. instead of letting us have it out, kept shooting.
If you don't hold yourselves to the high standard I'm used to and came to admire from the Liberty primary fleets to offset the mess that is LNS-, fair enough and that's unfortunate. I'll shed a tear for memories of better days.
I would like to ask why your people are targeting traders of a faction fighting alongside Liberty against Gallia under the pretext that they are a "foreign military", when their IFF no longer says "Crayter Military" (which was done by devs without asking =CR= as far as I know) but "Crayter Republic" again, they're flying transports, and don't even have guns.
And why they take a "4 mil or die" approach to RP when it clearly makes no sense IRP.
And why they're refusing to say who they are when attempted to talk to about it ingame.
[19.09.2018 03:55:20] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Cut your engines at once.
[19.09.2018 03:55:46] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You didn't have to fire CDs at us...
[19.09.2018 03:55:58] =LSF=Grosse.lle: You are in violation of Liberty law, so yes I did.
[19.09.2018 03:56:11] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: And how's that?
[19.09.2018 03:57:02] =LSF=Grosse.lle: You are not supposed to be in Liberty. Foreign military is not permitted.
[19.09.2018 03:57:12] =LSF=Grosse.lle: This has been discussed with your higher ups repeatedly.
[19.09.2018 03:57:31] Tip: Are you new to our server? Introduce yourself on our forums in the Welcome Section @Discoverygc.com
[19.09.2018 03:57:36] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: It's also pointed out that we're not a military vessel.
[19.09.2018 03:57:45] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: What make you think we are?
[19.09.2018 03:58:06] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Your leadership was informed before that even your transports are considered as military vessels.
[19.09.2018 03:58:46] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: It was a misunderstanding based on a faulty IFF signal, which has since been fixed.
[19.09.2018 03:59:01] =LSF=Grosse.lle: It was not.
[19.09.2018 03:59:15] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Yes it was. Observe our IFF.
[19.09.2018 03:59:20] =LSF=Grosse.lle: You are to pay a fine of four million credits and depart Liberty space.
[19.09.2018 04:00:15] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: How about this. I refuse to pay your fine, and demand that this be settled before a court of law.
[19.09.2018 04:01:00] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: We have full authority to issue sentencing.
[19.09.2018 04:01:30] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Have you ever heard about separation of powers?
[19.09.2018 04:01:52] =LSF=Grosse.lle: You were informed that your vessels were permitted into our space under escort only.
[19.09.2018 04:01:53] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Won't even ask what your "sentencing" is going to be.
[19.09.2018 04:02:25] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Oh gods.
[19.09.2018 04:02:49] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Please forward the payment and then you will be escorted out.
[19.09.2018 04:03:00] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Fine. Arrest me or something, but I'm not going to play along with this idiocy about a fine and your "sentencing".
[19.09.2018 04:03:28] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: It is advised that you pay the fine..
[19.09.2018 04:03:40] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: Dont sit here and waste our time. I dont have much of it these days.
[19.09.2018 04:03:45] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: We are not a military vessel. Therefore, your actions are not according to the law.
[19.09.2018 04:04:07] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Then dont waste your time with this nonsense. You started this.
[19.09.2018 04:04:52] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You're behaving as little more than a pirate now.
[19.09.2018 04:05:08] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: So... I won't pay you a bribe.
[19.09.2018 04:05:23] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You dont like it, you take it to hte courts.
[19.09.2018 04:05:27] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: Refusing to pay the fine will result in destruction of your vessel, your escape pod will be tractored and then I will haul you
[19.09.2018 04:05:34] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: prison. Chose wisely.
[19.09.2018 04:05:54] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You're outside of the law, you idiot.
[19.09.2018 04:06:27] =LSF=Grosse.lle: You understand that failing to pay the required fine is also against the law, correct?
[19.09.2018 04:06:56] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: If you're going to declare us a military ship, I might aswell declare you a nomad.
[19.09.2018 04:07:23] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You're not enforcing the law. You're robbing an innocent trader.
[19.09.2018 04:07:33] Liberty.One: Patterson: Good evening
[19.09.2018 04:08:13] =LSF=Grosse.lle: I'd highly suggest you to pay the fine and accept our escort.
[19.09.2018 04:08:26] =LSF=Grosse.lle: If you refuse your vessel will be disabled and taken into custody.
[19.09.2018 04:08:31] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: I highly suggest you start obeying your own laws.
[19.09.2018 04:09:01] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: We're not a military vessel, no matter how much you would like to see 4 million credits enter your pocket.
[19.09.2018 04:09:55] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: So I will tell you again... arrest us and take this to court.
[19.09.2018 04:10:12] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: We will not submit to your unlawful piracy attempt.
[19.09.2018 04:10:25] Liberty.One: Patterson: can i inquire about whats going on?
[19.09.2018 04:10:43] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: This idiot thinks we're a military vessel.
[19.09.2018 04:11:12] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: And has decided to ask for 4 million credit, under threat of destroying our ship.
[19.09.2018 04:11:20] Liberty.One: Patterson: According to liberty laws, military vessel is classified as cruiser, battlecruiser, battleships and dread
[19.09.2018 04:11:24] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: That's what's going on.
[19.09.2018 04:11:47] Liberty.One: Patterson: All our allies can fly within liberty with gunboats and smallers vessel with no problem
[19.09.2018 04:12:11] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: The Crayter Republic has never been Labled allies of the Republic of Liberty.
[19.09.2018 04:12:15] Liberty.One: Patterson: All the first mentionned need approbation from liberty officials before entering our space
[19.09.2018 04:12:32] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Yes, hence the issue here.
[19.09.2018 04:12:42] Liberty.One: Patterson: I suggest you read the treaties and those who fight against Gauls are concidered allied or neutral
[19.09.2018 04:12:54] Liberty.One: Patterson: And this ships isnt a military vessel
[19.09.2018 04:12:54] Coffee.Coop: Good day Agents.
[19.09.2018 04:13:00] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Neither has Rheinland and Kusari. Are you pirating their traders for 4 million?
[19.09.2018 04:13:19] Coffee.Coop: Would you look at that.
[19.09.2018 04:13:33] Coffee.Coop: What is Foreign Military doing in our space?
[19.09.2018 04:13:36] Liberty.One: Patterson: Requesting money from honest trader would be concidered piracy within liberty even from you LSF its low
[19.09.2018 04:14:00] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Great. I'm surrounded by idiots.
[19.09.2018 04:14:18] =LSF=Grosse.lle: This is your /last/ warning. Please submit the requested fine and then leave Liberty space.
[19.09.2018 04:14:21] Coffee.Coop: Do not insult the law enforcement.
[19.09.2018 04:14:23] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: We are a trade ship, not a military ship.
[19.09.2018 04:14:44] Liberty.One: Patterson: this ship is totally legal to fly within liberty
[19.09.2018 04:14:54] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Law enforcement that's unable to understand the law...
[19.09.2018 04:14:54] Coffee.Coop: Agents, have you notified this individual that he's breaking the law?
[19.09.2018 04:15:09] =LSF=Grosse.lle: We have.
[19.09.2018 04:15:19] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: We're not breaking the law.
[19.09.2018 04:15:20] Liberty.One: Patterson: thats why i didnt joined the LSF nor the police... they are idiots that dont even know liberty's laws
[19.09.2018 04:15:28] Coffee.Coop: Good. Did he pay the fine?
[19.09.2018 04:15:34] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: He is refusing.
[19.09.2018 04:15:38] Liberty.One: Patterson: And they dont even know about treaties
[19.09.2018 04:15:53] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: I am running out of patience, Pay the fine Now.
[19.09.2018 04:16:12] Death: Incrediborg was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[19.09.2018 04:16:21] Liberty.One: Patterson: LSF be aware attacking this ship will be reported to Liberty governement as well the 1st and 5th fleet
[19.09.2018 04:16:26] Coffee.Coop: *takes a look at his watch*
[19.09.2018 04:16:29] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Well these idiots are obviously in cahoots with each other. Everything you say is being documented.
[19.09.2018 04:16:46] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: No, we will not submit to your unlawful demands.
[19.09.2018 04:16:53] Death: ScreenSlaver was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[19.09.2018 04:16:57] Coffee.Coop: Agents.
[19.09.2018 04:16:58] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: If you dont like it, arrest us and take it to the courts.
[19.09.2018 04:16:58] Liberty.One: Patterson: Not to mention thats what you about to do would be concidered as an act of war regarding the treaty we got --
[19.09.2018 04:17:03] Liberty.One: with the republic
[19.09.2018 04:17:19] Coffee.Coop: Patty, you're tired, go to sleep.
[19.09.2018 04:17:46] Tip: Be careful when picking out the ID for your character. Generic IDs offer much more freedom, but are severely limited in terms of combat as well as the size of ship these characters can pilot.
[19.09.2018 04:18:14] Liberty.One: Patterson: you pilots should really get back either to academy or get new jobs
[19.09.2018 04:18:39] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: This is clearly an attempt of corrupt individuals trying to rob us, and to sour diplomatic relations for their agendas.
[19.09.2018 04:19:03] Coffee.Coop: It is simple, you're violating the law, you either pay or...
[19.09.2018 04:19:20] Liberty.One: Patterson: there is no law being broken right now
[19.09.2018 04:19:25] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: The liberty government will hear of this. And no, we are not violating hte law.
[19.09.2018 04:19:42] Coffee.Coop: On the contrary, this one is breaking the Liberty Law, period.
[19.09.2018 04:19:51] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: And even if we were, there are other ways to deal with it than "4 mil or die".
[19.09.2018 04:20:10] Liberty.One: Patterson: Section 3 . 2 state that foreign warship arent allowed in liberty only if they are cruisers and bigger ships
[19.09.2018 04:20:10] Coffee.Coop: You had your chance, you blew it.
[19.09.2018 04:20:20] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Which law are we breaking, "Coffee.Shop"?
[19.09.2018 04:21:00] Coffee.Coop: You hold right there.
[19.09.2018 04:21:13] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Yeah, read up on your own laws, you idiot.
[19.09.2018 04:21:27] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: I'Ve got time.
[19.09.2018 04:21:44] Liberty.One: Patterson: And Republic are our allies via the treaty of Curacao signed in 821 by the way
[19.09.2018 04:22:00] Coffee.Coop: No, they're not our allies.
[19.09.2018 04:22:14] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: And even if we weren't you allies, this ship is still not a military ship.
[19.09.2018 04:22:35] Liberty.One: Patterson: exactly
[19.09.2018 04:22:37] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Rheinland isnt your allies, and I dont see you stopping their traders.
[19.09.2018 04:22:44] Coffee.Coop: The Republic of Liberty restricted CR vessels from entering our space.
[19.09.2018 04:23:01] Liberty.One: Patterson: actually CR are welcome in liberty *laughs*
[19.09.2018 04:23:05] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: Military ships. Not civilian ships.
[19.09.2018 04:23:17] Liberty.One: Patterson: The crayter republic even help us reppel gaul attacks in California
[19.09.2018 04:23:23] Death: No-MaD_76 was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[19.09.2018 04:23:36] Liberty.One: Patterson: And Atlas vessel class isnt a military ship
[19.09.2018 04:23:44] Coffee.Coop: Patty why don't you join the CR if you like them so much?
[19.09.2018 04:23:58] Liberty.One: Patterson: why dont you join the rogues since you liek to steal honest people6
[19.09.2018 04:24:07] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Right.
[19.09.2018 04:24:11] Coffee.Coop: Relax Patty.
[19.09.2018 04:24:15] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: What is this childish behavior, "Coffee.Shop"? DId your dad let you fly his ship?
[19.09.2018 04:24:29] Coffee.Coop: Keep insulting me and you'll regret it.
[19.09.2018 04:24:33] =LSF=Grosse.lle: For refusing to comply with lawful orders force will now be used against you. Aim for the engines.
[19.09.2018 04:24:45] =LSF=Ft.Campbell: Missles Away, Disabling your ship due to the refusal to pay the fine. You had your chances.
[19.09.2018 04:24:48] =LSF=Grosse.lle: Fire when ready.
[19.09.2018 04:24:52] Liberty.One: Patterson: will engage the LSF
[19.09.2018 04:24:57] Coffee.Coop: *turns on the camera*
[19.09.2018 04:25:05] =CR=ISE-Ashanti: Fiona: You're breaking Liberty Law, LSF.
[19.09.2018 04:25:13] Liberty.One: PAttereson defendin the CR
[19.09.2018 04:25:14] Death: =CR=ISE-Ashanti was put out of action by =LSF=Ft.Campbell (Missile/Torpedo).
Regardless of the fancy name given to the faction, you are still a 'republic' with military capacity, and you are foreign. Navies, Republics, Socialist or Communist Constructs, Armed Forces, Militaries, Legions, Empires, and oddities with military capabilities can be treated as foreign militaries. CR itself has been treated in the past as a foreign military in Liberty before, this should be nothing new.
No warships except those in service within the ranks of the Liberty forces are permitted within the house of Liberty. Warships are classed as any ship of destroyer, cruiser, or larger.
Atlas is a transport so was clearly a legit trader
- The Republic of Liberty does not allow foreign militaries to access to its space for any reason.
- The Forces of Liberty will ask the entities to retreat from Liberty space once. Failure to comply with such will result in unconditional arrest or shooting down of said entities.
- The Forces of Liberty have the right to unconditionally arrest or shoot down any ship found to be operating within Liberty space under a Foreign Intelligence Agency.
This is pretty simple and does not define or discriminate against any class.