Mjonlir, no.
We separated because we disagreed on many points.
Only CR have continued as the old BSG, being official.
We are merely a group of fighters, acting in Tau space.
Unselie, that is an opinion.
Yes, you can't enjoy our RP, and that is ok.
I have nothing to answer to your comments, except that i disagree.
I personally don't know anything about BSG show.
Never watched it. Don't know what the 13 colonies are.
I just enjoy flying my Viper with other Vipers, RP-ing the way i like.
Believe me, i don't RP as Star Buck, or anything similar.
As i said, we have very little connections with the show, except the fact that we'r flying Vipers.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Only few explanations that i require from you.
Are we pvp-whorish because AW gunboat comes to Taus, attacks our Ensgin (who btw was like "WTF? Zoners attacking us???"), we come and kill it?
Give me one example of BSG's PVP whoring.
What would you say if i said that AW are Capship whores?
Is that good RP? Yes, it is from scratch, but i don't see capital ships only as a good RP.
Only thing less then a GB that i have seen with AW ID were 2 bombers.
One of them was RM bomber armed with Tizonas (while AW were in war with TBH).
Is that good RP? I mean, it is from scratch.
Or AW allying with Outcasts? Yup.
Anyway, this thread isn't about AW RP. It is about BSG's.
I appreciate your comments, but i would like to see some arguments, not just pure talk.
Give me one example of BSG's pvp whoring.
We can attack Alpha alongside Corsairs even if they are neutral.
We just won't be able to group with them.
Also, i have already said that CR isn't the subject of this thread.
Thank you.
Apparently you don't fight AW that much. We have and use more fighters/bombers than capships. Only exception is Theta, where I will almost always use the Ableben as it is the system's defender and our flagship.
And examples of pvp whoring? Are you kidding me? Ask ANYONE who is in Alpha daily. You attack on a daily basis most of the time. Usually calling in as many Corsairs as you can when you start to lose. You said earlier that you've attacked Alpha once this week? I have seen 4 separate days where you've attacked. One of those days you attacked THREE TIMES. 4 of your people reengaged that day too, and one logged out IN ALPHA, which is system camping. There is your example. There is four of them a week for you.
Also, firing on an AW fighter in Delta before we were hostile, when we were still neutral. He was sitting there, you guys shot his shield, then shot the Eagle with cannonball missiles. He hadn't even moved. Now your complaining about US going into the Taus and firing on you? What did you expect? Also, we don't keep track of your members ranks. Do you think we care if a Viper is an Ensign or the bloody leader? No, we're gonna shoot it either way.
And during the first half of that TBH war, we were only hostile to TBH, not any of the other Corsair factions. And a few weeks after it began I ordered my people that they were not allowed to buy any more Tizonas, they could keep the ones they purchased prior to the war's start, but were not allowed to buy new ones. By your way, if a country bought a nuclear weapon from a country, then went to war with them, they should go sell that nuke rather than keep it or use it against them?
Also, we never allied Outcasts. We had one alliance with a Lane Hacker faction, and that had no bearing except with the Liberty factions. We did NOT go hostile, or even unfriendly to Corsairs because of it, and they did the same for us, as the HF were in Liberty. We NEVER allied an Outcast faction. Not once since I started this faction. We fought alongside them, yes. Because TBH was hostile to us, we worked with them. We were friendly, not ever allied. Right now we have ONE AW ship in Alpha, and its there only to fight TT and BSG.
If you count 2 Vipers going in Alpha as an attack, then i can't help you, really.
Also, about attack in Delta. What are you talking about?
That was the old BSG, we have nothing to do with that.
You simply choose to fight us with no reason.
We are a new "faction", we are no longer the old BSG.
We didn't declare war on you, you attacked us first.
And we will more then gladly be neutral to you.
If you refuse, I guess we are PVP whores, right?
We don't organize attacks on Alpha on daily bases.
Give me the names of the players that attacked on their own, and i will make sure they are grounded.
Give me the names of the players that attacked Alpha 3 times in 1 day.
Also, give me the names of folks who re-engaged, and i will report them to the admins myself.
We never called independent Corsairs to join us in attack.
We didn't ask the TBH to help us out either, recently.
Ask them if you don't trust me.
They call us sometimes when they need help, and we gladly respond.
IMG killing an Outcast isn't PVP whoring.
Outcast killing an IMG isn't PVP whoring.
I never said that Outcasts are PVP whores when they come with a Battleship, 3 Cruisers, 2 gunboats and 2,3 fighters/bombers to Tau-23, to attack 3-4 BSG members (which are in Vipers, btw).
Or did I? Show me.
You need to know the definition of PVP whoring first.
Here's an example of PVP whoring.
Player, Mercenary ID, Blood Dragon HF, attacks Corsair, then Outcast, then Bounty Hunter. That is PVP whoring
Please, as i said, keep this in boundaries.
AW isn't the subject, i am not going to comment on Your RP anymore.
And you stop doing that as well, StarButt as well.
Thank you.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Ok, ok guys, you are getting very close to flaming, time to calm down.
I would like to add some things in CR - BSG relations. First to mention none of them are officially Doom or Yngen aprooved. I am trying to show my view on the situation.
As Doom said, there was a big change in BSG, directing to creation of two BSG factions. Most of us were just sick of fighting and fighting over and over again, with no reasons or RP behind that, just because we used to fight, we should not stop fighting... Thats just wrong.
CR has its own goals, very different from BSG. We have very strict roleplay terms, all recruits have to pass a roleplay test,(thats why BSG has more recruits than we do:P) we are very far from having a simple "fighters+capships+traders army". The biggest problem I see about CR is that we are not very open to the community mostly because of the flaming that was here before. Trust me, all our not-ingame activity is not just writing fight reports here on disco forums.
Unselie, you are right about the 13 colonies thing. I am not gonna argue.
This is what I can say on it:
In the time of =BSG= / [CR] creation, which was more, than 1 - 1,5 years ago, when I even did not know such thing as FL exists, some guys formed up these two factions, that later connected together. In that times, BSG had more RP restrictions, than many other factions. The server changed and we came to the decision of changing our leadership and BSG tag to CR tag. Warhammer left disco. Mostly because of the way we did the change. He played Disco to have fun, to have some relax after work... He liked simple fighting, which was not enough for us. I feel sorry for booting him away like this, but its past now. We, CR have a lot of work to do. We want to become the best RP faction. We want to learn something from our mistakes. A fool is not someone who makes mistakes. A fool is someone who doesnt learn anything from his mistakes. Now, because our RP is ripped from a mindless TV serial, we have to throw all our work, memories, part of ourselves, behind us and start again?
We fly BSG ships, we use BSG ranks, we have BSG history, very similar to Solar system history. Thats everything BSG in our roleplay. From the momment the rag-tag fleet entered Omicron Delta, we have OUR RP. The stone changes. Dont judge what you see on the surface. Judge what is inside. Forget the past.
BSG is roleplaying its own way, CR too. We both are colonials, we fly similar ships. We have homes near. Thats everything we are the same in. It is not perfect, no doubt. But what it is, at least what I see it is: A roleplay not based on plain PvP or RP brought here before. We are original. As Jinx said, we are close to a 5th House. What I said here may not be easy to understand the way I meant it, but I hope you, community will tolerate what we keep secret or unclear for you.
(Sorry, Chopper and Starbutt for hijacking your thread. Anyone who would like to respond, please use PMs or keep it for yourself.)
(And sorry, Doom and Yngen for not staying just on our private forums as we all usually do and not speaking to any of you before posting here.)
Well there, Epholl, there was no need for you to repeat Doom's kind words.
I believe that the mystery around BSG-CR relations/differences is over.
No need to talk it over again.
Although i do not agree with you on few points, i will not start the discussion about it here.
Please, let this be the last post about CR in this thread.
I didn't call you a "simple capship/fighter/trader army", i just said that you are closer to a House then us.
You have a president, you have admirals, you have a real navy.
We don't. That's simple.
That being said, I am looking forward to even more constructive criticism, suggestions, problems, etc.
Thank you.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Here's my problem: (many of the faction leaders may have had the same experience)
Today, I reamed out a new player, who writes rather decent RP, for a huge, RP idea, about a group of aliens who jump in from void space, or some such. That person almost Left the Sever, because I was possibly overly critical. Now, I have trouble looking at him, who I blatantly attacked, and differentiating between him, and the CR/BSG (sorry that the CR had to enter the BSG's thread, but....history is everything)
My message was, and still is, essentially, These stories, while great, dont actually have a history in Sirius.
They aren't grounded in Sirius, and they have no real staying power, because they're lacking roots, even the illusion of roots...and, I have yet to see any of them incorporated into the global RP in any major way.
Honestly, in today's Discovery, the =BSG= would not exist. The admins wouldn't allow it. Of course, when the original =BSG= were formed, Roleplay was looser; their existence is now a moot point because they are indeed a decent and integral part of the community. There wouldn't be anybody in the Taus except independent traders without the =BSG=/=CR=. My big issue is being attacked for hauling Cardamine. The IMG are Neutral] to my trader, and they are not allowed to scan for cargo by their ID. They might fire on me if they were hostile, but they're not, and I have several =BSG=/=CR= players come after my train on a regular basis (you know who you are). Once that stops I won't have anything to complain about (and we can go right on back to shooting at each other ^_^).
Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
It's weird, because, that Trader earns credits for your Battleship(s), and I remember very well that those Battleships are hostile to IMG.
Yes, we wouldn't exist if we would apply now. And we did. And guess what?
We got rejected. So we'r staying unofficial. That doesn't mean we'r not existing, really;)
Anyway, thanks for criticism.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Quote:It's weird, because, that Trader earns credits for your Battleship(s), and I remember very well that those Battleships are hostile to IMG.
Well, that's an interesting thing...that Trader earns credits for your Battleship(s). Now you're discussing inter-character relationships, which is going out-of-roleplay and taking things to a personal attack on the player, not the character.
Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
' Wrote:It's weird, because, that Trader earns credits for your Battleship(s), and I remember very well that those Battleships are hostile to IMG.
Yes, but that trader is NOT those battleships, so you do not have a right to attack him. Technically, you'd be breaking rules, as your ID doesn't allow you to scan for cargo, demand cargo/money. So without those two reasons, rules forbid you to attack traders except in self defense or if they belong to an NPC or PC faction your hostile to..