The history fills in some of my earlier questions nicely.
One hint I might add: use your signature to link all the threads you have (since there are a number) for info, history and recruiting. It helps link all the threads together easily.
Other than that, I am going to try and find some inspiration for a character here and see if I can join you. My top priority however remains the QCP.
One question sprung to mind though the 'fragment of recording' I was curious as to what exactly is was meant to be showing?
Because I can see two separate image almost smashed together, just got me a slight by confused.
Because there are not ''latin ships'' in game and I have to hide some parts of the ship to make it look different from those in game. But I'll ask help to a friend who knows how to use photoshop well to fix better or modify the image:)
' Wrote:The history fills in some of my earlier questions nicely.
One hint I might add: use your signature to link all the threads you have (since there are a number) for info, history and recruiting. It helps link all the threads together easily.
Other than that, I am going to try and find some inspiration for a character here and see if I can join you. My top priority however remains the QCP.
Ok, I'll do a signature with links for the faction, thank you for the suggetion. Anyway, you are welcome to join the group ^^
Because of a recent Roman interest 'buzz' I decided to take another look over your stuff (brought to your by 'The Misplaced Legion'). And noticing a few of the new changes - most notably then ranking.
RANKS
Quote:The departments was formed by three categories:
Praetors, who patrolling and escort our vessels.
Equites, who commerce and export/import products.
Senators, who work as diplomats for the development of the faction.
My first question would be to do with the 'Praetors'. Since the Praetors were the commanders of the Roman Armys and so were not numerous in number. You might have got them confused with Praetorians, who were normally the personal guards of the Roman Senate / Emperor, they also acted as a type of patriotic Gestapo but that's away from the point. Due to that high status common escorts for them I feel would be a bit... below their station - with this due to their high status they would also not be a numerous group. Just a minor thought but wouldn't it be more appropriate to class them as 'Legionaries', with their direct officers being Centurions?
Second point being the name as Equites for traders. Looked it up and turns out that 'Mercator' is the latin word for Merchant/Trader. I personally think it sounds a bit more appropriate since equites were normally light-ish Roman cavalry used for scouting.
RANKS - Warrior Core Segements
One thing the Romans were certainly most well known for was their military and how that tied into the overall running of their Empire. Most in part to their command structure; Junior/Senior Centurions, Tribunes ect.
This as well as how it joins in with the senate and their powers. Since basically if you wanted to gain any power in the senate you had to serve in the army to prove yourself. With this in mind my suggestion would be a rank structure something like..
Auxiliary........................................................-
Legionary......................................................-
Junior Centurion.............................................-
Senior Centurion............................................Censor
Tribune.........................................................Tribune
Legate...........................................................Aedile
General.........................................................Promagistrate
....................................................................Questor
Consul..........................................................Consul
....................................................................Dictator(In Times of Crises)
I personally think it would shine through the thing that made the Romans what they were, Status. The connection between Senate and Military I think would play a big part, which mean also that one character can play multiple roles.
Were it to take this sort of turn I think personally, due to that fact that I am a crazy historical fan, I would find a interest in the faction. Since it opens the place for infighting, and internal alliances.
Just a thought on it thought your might want to know. Any thing else I find out i'll let you know, since I'm only really review your stuff segment by segment so I can put my best thoughts towards it.
A lot of good points here. Khassym has some plans for ranks and such going forward, but this will likely develop (if and) when we get enough people to make it worthwhile.
Roman ranks were definitely intertwined as you suggest, and get even more confusing than that. For instance, Dux was a non-formal title that an army commander could have, in addition to Praetors or Legatus who could be commanders. I'm no expert, but I think we could find a separate title for every faction member pretty easily :lol:
So yes, getting something workable is a good idea. For now my character (head of security/army) is simply a Legatus. Senior enough to get involved in the politics and such but still more military in discipline than say, consul.
I think the first step is to pick an era of the Roman legion to emulate...because the rank system changed a lot over time.
So assuming we go with Marian legions I would propose something such as this for the purely military side:
Legionary
Optio
Centurion
Pilus Prior
Primus Pilus (only ever 1 person can hold this rank)
Quote:I'm no expert, but I think we could find a separate title for every faction member pretty easily:lol:
Hah, same here. My whole knowledge of Romans only comes from the fact that my Dad is a huge fan of them and so my upbringing did involve far to many Roman documentary's. :sleep:
Quote:I think the first step is to pick an era of the Roman legion to emulate...because the rank system changed a lot over time.
I agree it's certainly depressing how true that statement is. Let alone the reforms in the military but the alterations of Senate - Emperor makes it a daunting task.
The real issue in my opinion, with regards to the rank structure, is that it all revolved around each individual legion. You'd have several grades of legionaries who had varying levels of minor power per ten or so men. And for every hundred you'd have a Centurion.
Because of that I think it would be to technical if their were varying ranks of legionary. Separating them into Auxiliary and Legionaries, while keeping the officers ranks more in depth would be the key to keeping it simple and concise. Like you've laid it out Legionary(Standard soldier), Optio(Centurions right hand/ modern day Lieutenant), and Onto the actually officer ranks.
Quote:So assuming we go with Marian legions I would propose something such as this for the purely military side:
With regards to Marian reforms I think would be a very effective date to start from, purely because it was such a notable change in the military meaning that the changes would likely be more definte. That and it makes gathering information on it a lot easier.
If we did go with this it would make more options for people joining as well since the Marian reforms were focused at allowing men who didn't own land to join the army.
Quote:Centurion
Pilus Prior
Primus Pilus (only ever 1 person can hold this rank)
One minor point which I'm a bit confused by you've classed the Centurion, Pilus Prior and the Primus Pilus as separate ranks. When Pilus Prior and the Primus Pilus were two of the separate sub-sections of the Centurions in a legion.
Quote:It's a start anyway.
Abosolutely - Rome wasn't built in a day - after all :D
10 Cohorts of 6 centuries (80 men) each, except the first cohort which was 12 centuries.
Each century was lead by a centurion aided by an optio.
The pilus prior were the senior centurion of each cohort, leading each cohort into battle (and also the leaders of each cohort's 1st century)
The Primus pilus was the leader of the 1st cohort and senior centurion for the entire legion. (also technically led the 1st century)
There were also primi ordines...but too much detail.
Anyway, I included these instead of "junior/senior" centurion. And it makes sense in freelancer terms as well.
Centurion -> century leader
Pilus Prior -> Cohort Leader (direct superior)
Primus Pilus -> Just that much more badass and only one person gets the title. This is something like a Lt. Colonel in modern armies.
Also, under Marian ranking I would reserve Auxillia, Decurio and Immunes for potential dedicated specialists. (LF or freighter pilots perhaps)
One thing I have yet to understand from Khassym is if the Nova Roma consider birthright for ranking, which may be important to consider.
Quote:One thing I have yet to understand from Khassym is if the Nova Roma consider birthright for ranking, which may be important to consider.
Well that's a interesting point because with the Romans what they did with foreign people who wanted to join the army was they placed them in the 'Auxiliary'. The agreement that after they had severed as an Auxiliary for twenty five or so years they would be given citizenship, which then meant they could either live as a citizen or join the army again as a legionary.
Minor issue with that is that most people will likely just play characters straight from citizenship. To combat this I would suggest that the Auxiliary act as the testing ranks for the Latium Legionaries, or if needed a rank such as recruits could be added, like so.
Military
Recruit - Natural Starting rank for all players
Legionary - Bulk of the Latium fighting force
Optio
Pilus Prior - Junior Centurion
Primus Pilus - Senior Centurion
Tribune
Praefectus
Legatus
Quote:Also, under Marian ranking I would reserve Auxillia, Decurio and Immunes for potential dedicated specialists. (LF or freighter pilots perhaps)
For Decurio, Immunes and other similar special ranks just above legionary. Although with regards to Auxiliary, that rank was more for the less valuable soldiers, those who could afford to be lost.
In one specific Roman battle I remember the General wasn't sure if an enemy had left the opposite side of a shallow river. So before he moved his legionaries across he sent his Auxiliaries so that his legionaries would not be in danger should the enemy still be there.
For that reason I don't think that their really any more of a special disposition but more that they are/will dispensable.