Unfortunately, until we have a few members, I can just make a simple structure of the ranks. However you are right on praetorians, so I will change prators with praetorians, but I will not add other military ranks, except ''legate'' because the military department in RP for now shall be limited to escort convoys and protect bases and it is only responsible to protect RoL and Zoners, or kill nomads to secure the systems where RoL live. So it will act only as a division of guard.
When we'll have more members and a possible active enemy, I'll will develop more the rank structure, or if there will be another opportunity to do it.
For the commercial department, I chose the rank of ''equites'' because in the Republican era it belonged to the rich side. Anyway I think I'll change it with mercator to give it more sense.
As an army has more ranks depending on its size, we will change the ranking structure depending of the number of members that we will have in the future. Anyway thanks both for the advices^^
' Wrote:Unfortunately, until we have a few members, I can just make a simple structure of the ranks.
The issue is that with no direct rankings system it makes your faction appear disorganised and because of this players will likely be hesitent to join a faction that does not firmly have it facts based out.
' Wrote:However you are right on praetorians, so I will change prators with praetorians, but I will not add other military ranks, except ''legate'' because the military department in RP for now shall be limited to escort convoys and protect bases and it is only responsible to protect RoL and Zoners, or kill nomads to secure the systems where RoL live. So it will act only as a division of guard.
Praetorians being an elite group of personal guards for the Emperor again possess the issue that they were a finite resource. There is also the fact that they were created to protect the Emperor not the senate, but thats a minor point that can really be altered to include the senate if needed.
By classing them as Praetorians it does also mean that they were the most elite men from Latium, which means that when you attempt to adjust your player base to the new system of ranking it would be difficult to do since you've class all your players as the most elite Latium has to offer.
' Wrote:When we'll have more members and a possible active enemy, I'll will develop more the rank structure, or if there will be another opportunity to do it.
For opening up your goals of expansion I have an RP idea that may work, just remember you've been taken advantage of by 'raiders', scum in their eyes. So it may perhaps be prudent to assume that some character will be feeling that in Sirius this attack, this raiding and pillaging, will happen once more to them. To that end, my character specifically - should I feel a sufficient interest to join, many of the survivors may be of them mind 'let's beat them too it', let's not given them a chance to take advantage of us.
And eventually their original goal might be to amass a sufficient force to one day return and take back Latium.
Since remember this is very like what happened with the Gauls in the early years of Rome, they came down and raided them when they were a defenceless bunch of little farming villages. So what did Rome do? It became much more critical, much more brutal - it transformed to a collection of farmer and senators to a well disciplined fighting force the likes of which the world had never seen.
Following that you'de likely be looking at as the Roman put it 'civilising' less civilised nations, which is pretty much anyone. Since remember the Greeks at that time were one of the most civilised nations of that time, both in living and fighting. Yet the Romans still viewed them as barbaric, and why? Because they needed a reason for their people to believe that they were fighting a just war and 'helping' those barbarians achieve a much better standard of life. So in their own eyes they weren't conquerors, they were freeing their opponents from their barbaric culture.
Any who apologies for the long winded speech, ancient history is something I have a bit of an interest in.
It's a good point with the Auxiliary...they weren't so much specialists as just non-Romans. (Although, after Marian all Italians were romans). In practice however, this meant that the Auxiliary fulfilled a number of specialist type roles (light infantry and cavalry for instance) that weren't part of normal legion doctrine.
It is also a good point that the ranking system probably needs to get done to attract people to join. So, time to keep refining this. I have no idea where to start with the senate and trade sides, but I'll look into it when I can.
As for the mentality....idealizing Ancient Rome is not necessarily the same as being Ancient Rome. I'd like to hear from Khassym on this, but I have envisioned a society with perhaps a few more modern values in terms of gender, citizenship and so on (e.g. my legatus character is female), while idealizing the structure and discipline of Rome, and rule by the people.
As for the military side, I can definitely see the Latins wanting harsh vengeance against both the Huns and the Nomads. I don't think this is a good reason to come into Sirius and start up as pirates or fighting everyone around. I would personally like to see the goals be much more centred on forming a stable colony and home while building back strength. Perhaps to carve a big hole out of the Nomads or to attempt travel back to Latium Vetus. If the fight with the nomads and use/selling of their technology goes on for a bit, we should find some enemies in some of the factions around the Omicrons quite naturally.
' Wrote:The issue is that with no direct rankings system it makes your faction appear disorganised and because of this players will likely be hesitent to join a faction that does not firmly have it facts based out.
Then I'll try to put on a more organized structure between the three departements.
' Wrote:Praetorians being an elite group of personal guards for the Emperor again possess the issue that they were a finite resource. There is also the fact that they were created to protect the Emperor not the senate, but thats a minor point that can really be altered to include the senate if needed.
By classing them as Praetorians it does also mean that they were the most elite men from Latium, which means that when you attempt to adjust your player base to the new system of ranking it would be difficult to do since you've class all your players as the most elite Latium has to offer.
We are refugees and having lost almost everything, we need to rebuild ourself from the foundations. Our goal is to reconstruct the old republic, so the first thing to do in the military side is build an army capable of defending the population remained. Although the Praetorians had to protect the emperor, in this case the most important thing is the population and to do that we need an elite group of soldiers, who can guarantee the safety of the population, precisely the Praetorians.
Logically, since we are few and not all people enrolled will have the necessary experience to be a praetorian guard, we will make a ranking structure in which a person begins as a simple soldier to become a praetorian, legate, etc. ...
' Wrote:For opening up your goals of expansion I have an RP idea that may work, just remember you've been taken advantage of by 'raiders', scum in their eyes. So it may perhaps be prudent to assume that some character will be feeling that in Sirius this attack, this raiding and pillaging, will happen once more to them. To that end, my character specifically - should I feel a sufficient interest to join, many of the survivors may be of them mind 'let's beat them too it', let's not given them a chance to take advantage of us.
And eventually their original goal might be to amass a sufficient force to one day return and take back Latium.
Since remember this is very like what happened with the Gauls in the early years of Rome, they came down and raided them when they were a defenceless bunch of little farming villages. So what did Rome do? It became much more critical, much more brutal - it transformed to a collection of farmer and senators to a well disciplined fighting force the likes of which the world had never seen..
This can be a good idea, but to amass a sufficient force, civilian technology is not enough. We have to access to all technologies that we can. So we need a strong diplomacy with other factions and a reason why they help us with the technology. Back in Latium to regain it can be a goal within our faction, but in diplomacy I do not know whether it can be a reason for zoners or other factions to give us their technology.
Instead re-establishing here a republic and then a new home, in my opinion in diplomacy can give more confidence to the other factions towards us.
So this goal could be the reason of a future conflict within the faction, between those who want to stay in Sirius and who wants to return in latium.
Even if after 5 years in space, the coordinates for Latium can be lost with the transports, unless they are found among the wrecks, or saved by someone.
Or also the memory of our collapse can be the reason because we want to amass a great force in order to ensure it does not happen to us again, transforming ourselves into a militarized and modern faction as in your example.
Quote:but to amass a sufficient force, civilian technology is not enough. We have to access to all technologies that we can.
That is absolutely true, one thing to remember about the Romans were that they were a group constantly evolving. When the Romans came to Africa they met Elephant's which terrified them. What did they do in response? They incorporated them into their military. When the Romans moved through Gaul it wasn't unknown for some Roman officers could be seen to use the weapons of their enemys (Although they would normally be altered in some way to make the edge of the blade duller while the tip sharper since Gallic warriors used the edge of their blade while the Romans used a thrusting motion with the tip of their Gladius). This would not only alow them a useful weapon but also as an insult to the enemy, using their own tools against them.
Following this idea it wouldn't impossible for the Latium legions to implore the use of opposing technologies, even nomad ones.
Quote:an elite group of soldiers
The issue isn't when you have an elite group, but arming all your soldiers to such a level would be expensive and extremely time consuming, as well as that it takes a certain type of person both in personal determination but also in strength of will. If the Roman legions could have replaced every single one of their legionaries with men who knew no fear I'm almost definite they would have.
Quote:but I have envisioned a society with perhaps a few more modern values in terms of gender, citizenship and so on (e.g. my legatus character is female), while idealizing the structure and discipline of Rome, and rule by the people.
I would in vision Latium ideals holding as much truth as they might have before, but I agree with some differences. Since at the moment the Latium legions do not likely have enough men around to fufil all their needs, so the only people they could turn to are the women.
Quote:I don't think this is a good reason to come into Sirius and start up as pirates or fighting everyone around
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Quote:So we need a strong diplomacy with other factions and a reason why they help us with the technology.
Well diplomacy wise you have to remember Rome never took on everyone at once. What they did was the used Alliances and treaties to break up a region. Like with Gaul they went with some of the tribes to conquer others but in the end they took control of Gaul, including those of their Allies. So diplomacy wise Rome used them to it's advantage it rarely ever gave any interest to it's neighbour unless it affected them/
' Wrote:I would in vision Latium ideals holding as much truth as they might have before, but I agree with some differences. Since at the moment the Latium legions do not likely have enough men around to fufil all their needs, so the only people they could turn to are the women.
Not really. The female character of Diomedes was already a praetorian in Latium.
Nova roma, the sect who founded the new colonies, wanted to revive the Latin-Roman ideology as a contrast to the corruption of the political system in Italy. But the people accepted this just because they saw the sect as their savior after escaping from the Solar system. So the Roman model has never been fully followed and for not go against the ideology of the present population, Nova Roma instituted a new model that contained both the ancient and modern ideology. We have to reconstruct that model and modify it if necessary to make it efficient. However, women could be soldiers already in Italy, so also in Latium and now.
''But people like you, who are dedicated to Roman models, are always welcome to remind Latin Roman ideology and their ancient values, so that they remain present in our model and not be swept away by modernity''
' Wrote:Not really. The female character of Diomedes was already a praetorian in Latium.
Nova roma, the sect who founded the new colonies, wanted to revive the Latin-Roman ideology as a contrast to the corruption of the political system in Italy. But the people accepted this just because they saw the sect as their savior after escaping from the Solar system. So the Roman model has never been fully followed and for not go against the ideology of the present population, Nova Roma instituted a new model that contained both the ancient and modern ideology. We have to reconstruct that model and modify it if necessary to make it efficient. However, women could be soldiers already in Italy, so also in Latium and now.
''But people like you, who are dedicated to Roman models, are always welcome to remind Latin Roman ideology and their ancient values, so that they remain present in our model and not be swept away by modernity''
Well of course it's a society evolved meaning that their will be differences. After all the Romans when they began hated monarchy's, or being lead by one man, yet by the end they were being lead by an Emperor, the very thing the hated when they began their initial conquest to becoming an Empire. So change is certainly common place for Rome.
As to admiration for them, the Roman's very in many ways extremely contradicting through their time as an Empire - and in my opinion that's one of the things that makes them as great as they are.
' Wrote:Ok, anyway tomorrow I'll make a new structure for ranks with your ideas.
Good idea, assuming it's straight forward enough I might put up an application for it, likely moving for the rank of Tribune(assuming that ranks there). So I'll be looking forward to the finished result.
One possible thought I came up with while writing my possible application was the language used.
Since the people of Latium would have been separate from Sirius for a great length of time surely their language would likely have evolved into something far different, Latin.
With this in mind, although it would be unrealistic because of the issues it might pose, it would open the way for 'translators', which the Romans used frequently - although soldiers often did learn the language of area they were assigned to for long periods of time.
I personally think it would just add a third field to it since it would emphases that separation.
I know it's not really possible due to the scale of it, but hey just though I'd throw it out there.