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' Wrote:Indeed... I thought you changed it already... do it and you are clean as a flower... ehm... *looks on Gurjivs picture*... maybe

nah, i was playing on ym gunship more than my bomber, which i took out today, to fight the capship (dessie). but yes, im going to be getting rid of it. im pretty much sick of all this lynching/complaining, so yeah..

' Wrote:rHe also had an Inferno equipped. Lawful mercenary? Yeah right. That is PVP whoring at best.

Most lawful factions exempt the Inferno, Battle Razor and Supernova from weapon restrictions

' Wrote:Robert, frankly the SA does not need to inform everyone, especially the lane hackers of the contracts we have with various mercs, with that said, we also do not care at all what weapons they use, that's within their own RP, I know for a fact he's got good RP for it all and permission for it. Again, the mercs that work for us do not need to inform anyone that they work for us. He has a contract with us for over 2 months. He does a damn good job and I told him to blow you up because I was not sure if I could engage you after dying to that destroyer. He has not done anything wrong and he actually did give you enough time to prepare as I was also in voice chat on skype with him at the time and I know what happened.

I'm talking as a LPI officer now..
I seem to remember one incident in which Proserpine[merc] was chased by ALL lawful forces in Liberty, especially LSF.
I also seem to remember that =LSF=Fluid fought him.
I don't know who won, but in either case - it's not easy to understand how he is trusted again.
The reason for this was Proserpine's assault on lawful forces. At least that's what I'm told.
Also, Kusari ship is a lawful ship.. But it's a Kusari ship.. Not very welcome in Liberty space..
I seem to remember 2 Freelancer ID-ed Rheinland GB's being chased out of Liberty.
Now, they never attacked any SA or LSF, and they were still chased out. I support that, don't get me wrong.
But how can you trust a mercenary who was an enemy of the Liberty at one point + he has Outcast weaponry + Kusari ship?
This part is critique for the SA/LSF, not you frozen, your is to come bellow..

I have nothing against you frozen, really, I just don't share your point of view.
My personal opinion is that Inferno is a no-no against hackers in any case.
It's cool that you don't take bounties against Outcasts, but it's hard to understand those Outcasts equipping you to fight their allies.
Not only to fight against their allies, but also to work for the Liberty Navy - which is an Outcast enemy.
Plus, Kusari and Outcasts are not really on friendly terms.. You have something of both.. One of them would not like it, so, which one is it?

For example, would RM trust a Mercenary ID-ed Avenger armed with Tizonas? No. They would escort him out.
And Liberty should really follow their example, if they want to have less people in Liberty.
If everyone is allowed - then NY will have 50 people in it all the time. That's bad.
Put a mercenary ban again. Say that any mercenary that doesn't fulfill the certain list is not welcome.
So, for example, Merc with Brettonian ship/weaponry would be allowed.
But not Kusari/Rheinland ship.
Also, not Outcast weaponry. Not Corsair weaponry. Lawful weaponry.

Frozen, if you said (for example) that you looted that Inferno from an ace Outcast pilot, it would make much more sense.
As it is, Outcasts gave you that inferno, and you'r working for SA.
Now, there is no reason for SA to trust you, there is no reason for Outcasts to trust you.
That's how I see it.

Also, don't take my post as flaming/bashing, take it as discussing, please.

SA has to carry bigger blame here, Mercenary less.

Quote:Most lawful factions exempt the Inferno, Battle Razor and Supernova from weapon restrictions

Cap ship Inferno - yes.
Fighter Inferno - no.

Quote:Most lawful factions exempt the Inferno, Battle Razor and Supernova from weapon restrictions

Perhaps, but RP-wise, incorrect, Carzor.

The Battle Razor, Capship Inferno, and Supernova are fine.

The torp slot Inferno, which is the one being talked about right now...is Outcast only. It is only sold on Outcast bases.

im not taking ure post in a bad way, chopper. but here are a few things;

when i fought liquid, we both came to a discussion. we both couldnt get each other, since we were fighting quite for a long time, without getting hits on each other's hulls. then, after a discussion with him, he invited all the present SA/LSF AND LPI present into a group with pros, where i made formal apology for assisting the HF and engaging the SA. i also made a the contract in FROMT of everyone, which EVERYONE agreed to, and i was allowed to continue to work in liberty, and that is my reason to be in liberty.

the rhienland gbs didnt have a freelancer id. they had rhienland police tag and ids. now, im NOT surprised they were chased out/killed, rhienland and liberty are on the brink of war. my merc is in a kusari bomber, and show me where it says, that kusari and liberty are unfriendly? and that MERCS, who are not LAWFULS, who work for themselves, cannot use kusari ships, and assist whoever they have to, as par contract?

as to the inferno incident, ive already said: i wasnt playing on my merc bomber much, infact rarely, so i didnt get a chance to change it. i WILL be changing it as soon as i get the chance. hell, im not even playing freelancer now, after this incident. its really gotten on my nerves that everytime someone dies, we have a complaint flying to high heavens, but hey. im not bothered now.

as to looting infernos from ace pilots... tell me, hasnt that excuse been said so many times, by nearly every person you see? wouldnt i get lynched for using that bug ridden excuse? sorry, but i wont use such a lame excuse, however it may seem to fit 'ure rp'.

the outcasts gave the the inferno, particlarly, the ROS, and since then (after the alaska incident), i have never taken any job against the ros. instead, i help them agains the corsairs, and whatnot (except the SA/LSF, obviously)

the outcasts AND the ros have reason to trust me, since i ASSIST them, whenever they require,and i DONT take contracts on THEM either.

now, as ive stated, im getting rid of the inferno anyway, even though i can use it, since im pretty much sick of this lynching i get everytime i get a kill, so, how bout this thread get locked, and we STOP having more bloody lynches like this in the future for getting killed eh?:dry:

(btw, chopper, if i come across as hostile to u, i didnt mean it. im just pissed off at the whole situation, hence for my anger)

Robert, admit you jumped to conclusions.
Frozen, admit your RP is a bit shady (buying Outcast guns and being friendly to them while in a lawful ship and shooting Outcast allies).

Everyone, go cool down. Leave the thread to die.

I've never agreed with Mercenaries using a mixture of weapons because they can.

This isn't against you particularly Gurjiv, as I have seen many many mercenaries do the same, or even worse. I once saw a guy with Krackens and Tizzies mixed together. I just shook my head and moved on, such was the ridiculousness of the loadout.

But I do not understand why mercenaries aren't under the same weapon restrictions as the rest of the community. As I see it, they can simply pick and mix what guns they want to use on their ships and say they looted it or whatever.

If my BHG character actually looted an Inferno fighter cannon off a stray Outcast player who was transporting it somewhere, I would be within my rights to mount it. As would a Rheinland Military character, or GMG character. But then I would get sanctioned for ooRP weaponry. I don't see why this should be different for mercenaries.

My concern isn't just with Proserpine, but with the mercenaries in General. Even most of the BHG players aswell, as it just gets worse as they are allowed capital ships. Surely, they too are within their rights to mount Corsair and Order guns, if they are sold on a BHG base (which they are) ? But no, there are many a sanction against that, so I would like to see the same being applied to Mercenaries in general.

well, since everyone ihas such a big problem with mercs in general, how does the option of removing the bloody id frmo the game altogether sound? cuz all i see is, as long as this id is here, people wont stop having a go at mercs, and quite frankly, i dont think i should have to explain EACH AND EVERY CHAR OF MINE, EVERYTIME I GET A KILL.

Ey chopper, I can't explain that incident better than Frozen did, where everyone chased Proserpine, but I was part of those few people that were there while the deal was made. As for trusting him, since when is trust required for cooperation? My character doesn't trust anyone except his closest friends, he'd never trust a merc, but he uses them. Why? Because they help when they get paid. Why does he use Proserpine? Because Proserpine has a contract with the SA and the LSF, saying that he'll work for us and never take jobs against us. That contract was made as said earlier after an incident in which Pros attacked some SA officers, including myself. Now, if Talon can forgive that in RP to Pros, for the sake of cooperation, why wouldn't others?

No, one RH GB was Freelancer ID-ed, the other one was Liberty Police ID-ed..
I know because I was there, on my LPI, in a convoy escorting drunk Eddy out.

Quote:and show me where it says, that kusari and liberty are unfriendly?

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Quote:Banned from Liberty (Entities which are banned from entering Liberty, but shall not be fired upon except in self defense)
Kusari State Police
Kusari Naval Forces
Rheinland Military
Rheinland Federal Police

It's a quote from Liberty Police diplomacy. And that diplomacy was made by one of the SA high officers, as far as I remember.
I think SA didn't update their diplomacy in a while and that's why their diplomacy isn't matching LPI's.
Of course, you are not KNF, but you are flying their ship.
And they are unfriendly, there are even news about Liberty judging Kusari's attack on Brettonia.
Many people can confirm this, I guess.
Kusari and Rheinland - First block.
Brettonia and Liberty - Second block.

Quote:as to looting infernos from ace pilots... tell me, hasnt that excuse been said so many times, by nearly every person you see? wouldnt i get lynched for using that bug ridden excuse? sorry, but i wont use such a lame excuse, however it may seem to fit 'ure rp'.

If you are going to be a lawful merc, with Outcast weaponry, then yes - this is a better 'excuse' for you.
It's still excuse, I agree, but at least it fits better. Because you would be hostile to OC and Lane Hackers.

I'm done here, I just wanted to state my piece of mind about the situation.
It's not only addressed to you, frozen, it's addressed to all Mercenaries in Liberty, and mainly SA which allows them to operate.

Quote:As for trusting him, since when is trust required for cooperation? My character doesn't trust anyone except his closest friends, he'd never trust a merc, but he uses them. Why? Because they help when they get paid.

Well, I can only guess that those RH GB's were chased out because they weren't trusted..
Or can you explain me? Why didn't you use them for your goals? They were, after all, helping lawful forces by killing unlawful ones.
Even better, they cost you nothing. They were doing it for free.
My point - that doesn't make it right.
It's all about trust.

Quote:That contract was made as said earlier after an incident in which Pros attacked some SA officers, including myself. Now, if Talon can forgive that in RP to Pros, for the sake of cooperation, why wouldn't others?

I have nothing against it.