Players Banned: Kauket, Hopewell

@Kauket and @Hopewell have been banned for:

Quote:1.1 - Discovery is an English-language roleplaying server. ... Metagaming and powergaming are strictly forbidden.

2.0 - Every ship must have one ID equipped, and play in a way that represents the role of that ID. Your ID explains what you can do and where. Some IDs have a 'Zone of Influence' (ZOI) where extra actions are permitted. All IDs have a ZOI in systems containing an NPC station of the same affiliation.
2.3 - All IDs can... Demand Cerulite Crystals, Chirodebris, Cryo-Organisms, and Organic Capacitors from non-Allies.

Consequences:

Both of you are long-standing members of the community, and one of you an active member of the staff (development) team. So I'll preface this with the obvious statement - you should both know better.

@Kauket, you attacked a fellow Technocracy ship with no in-roleplay justification beyond being suspicious, which you only were because of metagamed or otherwise OORP knowledge you had about the player behind the character. Without judicious roleplay justification such an act is blatantly against the rules, specifically 2.0 and 2.3. Of course, you did this because you believed the person was actually supplying a base hostile to Technocracy with Uncharted materials, and was using a Technocracy alt to slip past your embargo.

Which is exactly what you were doing, @Hopewell. You created a Technocracy character with the explicit purpose of smuggling out Uncharted materials to your POBs (or for other purposes). You did this because you knew that @Kauket and Auxesia as a whole were keeping a tight rein on Earhart activities at the time, and you would likely be pirated by any ship that wasn't explicitly allied to the Technocracy / Auxesia.

As such, you'll both be taking a month off of the server.

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ok I was given the date for reference.

Respectfully I find it a little silly to get a month ban - the same length for someone who was doing an exploit. where someone knew the risk of doing that to bypass someone. I didn't know for sure if he was supplying an unfriendly POB. That's why I questioned him.

And when he entered, he said he was going for organics in my PM. Turns out when he left, he didn't even have any on him. Didn't even have a mining laser equipped.

I got sus of him because I saw him flying from below plane going to on plane
(there was another dude in system hiding off plane I was hunting who looted stuff, and said dude had other friends on ships come in to engage and fail, so yes I did get a feeling this was their plan B for failing to pvp me. I didn't screenshot in time of initially seeing it being off plane, but if he was coming from the gate, he would have come from the right side).

I saw that he certainly did not have any organic capacitors on him. I would have let him leave if he had some (he still has space for SOME after hauling. ) and thought it would have been fair game. It just didn't add up on the OORP side or inRP.

He was given several chances, both in the inrp circumstances and OORP to explain where is he going, what base is he supplying. Had he PM'd me afterwards and been upfront - if it was truly a neutral base because I started wondering if it was one of the bases in Coronado, I would have given it back. He did not attempt to reach a resolution in PMs, as suggested in the VR template. I waited online, I was flying back for a good 20 minutes anyway. There was no reach out. Nothing.

But during the interaction; when you refuse to answer, say your destination is classified, and refuse a reach of trust (I asked to carry it for him to the base to check if he's sincere - Cause I thought it was sus. Turns out I was right, huh?) Constantly trying to cruise away without answering. I did stop firing at one point to get them to give a final answer and they had plenty of time to respond, but they ultimately didn't want to.

I don't have many screenshots or clips, basically those two screenshots, but I do have a random few secs of the PM and conversation (or therelack of)

him mentioning he was there for organics

Yeah, yeah, I could have used FR1 which would have validated this encounter even further but I didn't get time to tag. Not sure it would have changed much here, I'm guessing the VR would have gone through anyway. I wasn't expecting that to happen nor could I put it on.

Didn't make mention of any names of the bases there, nor do we know of any other pobs in Inverness. Didn't even make any effort to roleplay his way out. He was just constantly trying to cruise away without a word. Yup, that's sus. Definitely an RP motive. I wasn't relentlessly shredding him without pause. So he certainly had time to respond. No effort was made to even give a reply beyond a half arsed effort to leave without a word after saying classified or 'maybe Inverness'. Feels like a bit of a double standard in the community to say you're allowed to RP with others and sus them out if you feel like something doesn't look quite right.

Quote: you attacked a fellow Technocracy ship with no in-roleplay justification beyond being suspicious, which you only were because of metagamed or otherwise OORP knowledge you had about the player behind the character.

I didn't know who it was, I only vaguely guessed it was a 'genre' of this community's playerbase based from what suspicious PMs I had nagging me to stop playing because they wanted to get things (lmao!). Not sure if that even matters anyway? It doesn't matter who came through, or who held it, I was there for it, not anyone else. This is completely irrelevant.

Sure I was little blood thirsty, because I had to deal with people bringing alts to try and kill me already, but there was most certainly a chance given to the player, I was still skeptical. And they had more than enough opportunity to type something back.

Why even punish anyone at this point, just let them take the L and give a A+ for effort and slap on the back of the head for trying to exploit rather than a harsh ban lmao.

There's no precedence being set here beyond... It's okay to use an alt throwaway with no RP, no effort at all, because you're immune to repercussion and no one can do anything about it and they'll still gain the Material Condition. Because at the worst they lose a few credits for being OORP or time off the server.

Or the other example being set here is that we're going to ban players over a lack of communication.