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Canadian Systems - tansytansey - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:Puerto Rico is associated with the states. Canada isn't.Ageria has their mitts in Ontario pretty deep. Good luck trying to pry it from them. And the Liberty Rogues laid claim to Alberta long ago, and Yukon is the back door to Cassini, there's just no way you're going to get anything built that close to the Rogue Guard system. Ellesmere is the LSF Guard system and Qubec is heavily guarded by LN Battleships due to the war that will no doubt see the system turn into a war zone as a mid way point.
You missed the point though, it wasn't a matter of independence or soveriegnty, it was a matter of our patriotism precluding the majority of the population from moving with the American populations. I'm sorry you don't like that, but that is the reality of our national identity.
Secondly I wasn't suggesting they be aligned to Bretonia, reading helps, I know. I was suggesting they be moved to independent colonial systems in a small alliance. Trading partners and frontier workers. Something to appease both parties and cut down on the work, Liberty has no claim to them as it stands. People could walk in and establish a colony if they wanted to.
But then again, you probably think Canada is a frozen wasteland.
Seems to me Libertonians have a lot of claim in those systems, even if some of them do happen to be less than lawful.
Also,
Quote:it was a matter of our patriotism precluding the majority of the population from moving with the American populations.That was the point I was trying to get across. Your real-life bickerings mean nothing here in a space ship game. Get over them, at least while you're playing a game.
Canadian Systems - Niezck - 07-25-2009
Call me silly, but should the LR try to stop lawful construction in Alberta by moving forces from Cassini, wouldn't the lawful forces simply go "Oh, look, there they are!" and pummel you into space dust?
Canadian Systems - P*Funk - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:I suppose you're going to kick the Junkers out of Pureto Rico next huh?Puerto Rico might as well be in the US since its a protectorate. If you live there you actually vote in American elections. I have this die cast toy that says "Made in the USA (Puerto Rico)".
Canada is actually technically sovereign and it won't technically change anytime soon, unilateral continental economic Orwellian falsbergasting nightmare agreements aside.
Quote:Seriously, you're making a big deal out of a couple of names. How do you know the history of these systems? Who founded them and why? Maybe they were Canadian, maybe they were not. But one thing is certain, whoever discovered them was from Liberty. The systems a currently controled by Liberty, and whether that reflects real life or not, well, screw it.Yes, because up til now the naming convention has been to reflect control and lineage and now lets just break with the pattern after years of carefully crafting this mod as a sensible and correct extension of the original vanilla game.
Quote:On top of that, Bretonia has no claims to these systems anymore. Liberty has been in these systems for a while now and they're not just gonna hand them over. Changing them to Bretonian systems now makes no sense what so ever, we can't just change their ownership and pretend like it never happened either.So... creative writing of a new addition to the existing story line isn't possible? Apparently everyone thinks that actual work in this mod is a rech. I wonder how Disco got to this point if everything was too much work. Besides, they've already overhauled the economic system much to many people's chagrin, so why is anything else sacred?
Canadian Systems - Turkish - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:Ageria has their mitts in Ontario pretty deep. Good luck trying to pry it from them. And the Liberty Rogues laid claim to Alberta long ago, and Yukon is the back door to Cassini, there's just no way you're going to get anything built that close to the Rogue Guard system. Ellesmere is the LSF Guard system and Qubec is heavily guarded by LN Battleships due to the war that will no doubt see the system turn into a war zone as a mid way point.
Seems to me Libertonians have a lot of claim in those systems, even if some of them do happen to be less than lawful.
Also,
That was the point I was trying to get across. Your real-life bickerings mean nothing here in a space ship game. Get over them, at least while you're playing a game.
You're really not getting the point of this so I'll bow out, talk to me when you realize what it is that I'm saying.
Some points to remember, the Liberty Rogues do not own Alberta. It isn't your right to tell people what they can and cannot do. Freelancer is built on history, and this is not congruent with the national group in question.
Canadian Systems - Baltar - 07-25-2009
Please keep in mind that Disco is NOT based on the countries of Earth. They are more aligned along general categories. More groups of people rather than "patriotic" country attachments. Otherwise why don't we just rename Liberty to America. The systems with Canadian names and the systems with American names are NOT part of some Earth country. They are regional. So if you're claiming Quebec as your home system, it doesn't mean you are Canadian. Nor does claiming that you're from the Colorado system make you American. They are both Libertonian.
Canadian Systems - Benjamin - 07-25-2009
to conclude:
anything other than "Planet Sydney"
Canadian Systems - Magoo! - 07-25-2009
Yeah... Not gonna read eleven pages, but...
This thread and your point is moot. The systems were found near Liberty space, probably named by Liberty explorers, and then flooded with Liberty citizens.
Just because some rogue Libertonian man in a supplied and fueled ship flies through a jumphole and says "I dub thee, Ontario!" doesn't mean he'll turn around and say, "O Ms. Cariiiiina?"
So like Nighthawk said,
Quote:It's ludicrous to argue that the name of the system determines who controls it. The name of a system is given by the person or corporation who discovered the system first.And like Turkish said,
What's cold and icy and is near the US? I think that description fits the canadian systems quite well.
Quote:Epic gravedig.
Why are we arguing this?
Canadian Systems - Canadianguy - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:Please keep in mind that Disco is NOT based on the countries of Earth. They are more aligned along general categories. More groups of people rather than "patriotic" country attachments. Otherwise why don't we just rename Liberty to America. The systems with Canadian names and the systems with American names are NOT part of some Earth country. They are regional. So if you're claiming Quebec as your home system, it doesn't mean you are Canadian. Nor does claiming that you're from the Colorado system make you American. They are both Libertonian.
You know what, I think you are right. InRP, those who discovered these systems probabky don't know that Canada existed, nor the US or any other country in the world.
Canadian Systems - P*Funk - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:Please keep in mind that Disco is NOT based on the countries of Earth. They are more aligned along general categories. More groups of people rather than "patriotic" country attachments. Otherwise why don't we just rename Liberty to America.They didn't name them literally because thats boring. Its a game, its a new universe so they extrapolate the existing national balance that you see in the 20thC and apply it to a space game but give it slightly different national names because... well its what writers tend to do. Its saying this is like this but its not exactly. Its a new universe but the naming says that these are based on X origins.
But though the names of the houses aren't the same as in our world they are directly extrapolated from the US, Britain, Japan, and Germany. Their systems are all contained in the national borders of their present day equivalents and if you look at Bretonia you'll even see that Dublin sits just outside of her borders like she does today apros pos Ireland and the whole mess that happened there.
Furthermore the systems of government represent these nations, generally speaking as an incarnation from about 60 to 150 years ago. The Libertonians however are definitely representative of present day USA. The fact that every capital is named for the present day capitals says something.
The Houses are drawn across national lines. The only exception to this was the Hispania which was a grouping of Hispanic cultures, though I imagine if they'd made them a proper settled house that didn't fracture it would have ended up being Mexico.
EDIT. @Trackpad. I don't think you're right. We know where we all came from. The French have routinely had wars with the Germans for control of who Charlemagne belongs to, the historians are always trying to rewrite it. I know I came from Europe, I know that if I ever named a planet I'd likely name it Skye for where my scottish roots are. 800 years isn't that long really, there are family trees that go back that far.
Canadian Systems - tansytansey - 07-25-2009
' Wrote:You're really not getting the point of this so I'll bow out, talk to me when you realize what it is that I'm saying.When someone disagrees with your point it doesn't mean they don't understand it. I didn't miss your point, I simply think it's a trivial argument.
' Wrote:The systems with Canadian names and the systems with American names are NOT part of some Earth country. They are regional. So if you're claiming Quebec as your home system, it doesn't mean you are Canadian. Nor does claiming that you're from the Colorado system make you American. They are both Libertonian.I think this sums it up pretty nicely.