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RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Highland Laddie - 03-23-2015
Quote:Edit: I think i am going to make a Freelancer ID'd ship and CD your transport everywhere you go, just to remind you that you should hire me.
And that would be trolling and you could expect a report to be filed.
If you or Noms or whoever feels you HAVE been wronged by the Freelancer in question in this scenario, then file your own report instead of making another "we need change around here!!!" thread on the forums.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Mímir - 03-23-2015
Ok, so CD'ing you to remind you to hire the freelancer is trolling.
CD'ing the pirate for the same reason is totally sound roleplay.
Something doesn't add up.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Highland Laddie - 03-23-2015
(03-23-2015, 04:14 PM)Mímir Wrote: Ok, so CD'ing you to remind you to hire the freelancer is trolling.
CD'ing the pirate for the same reason is totally sound roleplay.
Something doesn't add up.
That's assuming he's CDing the pirate for the sole purpose of being hired, not to mention your example doesn't seem to match the situation in question in the first place.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Mímir - 03-23-2015
Well I'm just following your train of thought here.
(03-23-2015, 04:04 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Where was your backup there, solo-pirate? Hmm...guess you simply weren't prepared. Maybe YOU should hire the freelancer next time.
What I am getting at is that it is trollish behavior no matter what ID the dude you are CD'ing is on, lawful or non-lawful.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Gulryz - 03-23-2015
CDing is engagement, If you notice I think when we CD a NPC it turns Red
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Jack_Henderson - 03-23-2015
(03-23-2015, 04:49 PM)Devil Wrote: CDing is engagement, If you notice I think when we CD a NPC it turns Red
Please read the rules.
It will save you a few disappointing experiences.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Leppy - 03-23-2015
I swear I remember "cd spam = engagement" having been affirmed by green text in the past, but search seems completely unhelpful today.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Binski - 03-23-2015
Unfortunately it doesn't seem there is a rule to protect against CD spamming, and under 5 is usually enough to have great effect on a situation. Ironically CD'ing you made the Freelancer's potential services useless, why pay when you're already getting away for free? I'd say in that case there should have been confirmation from the trader first, seems like someone jumped the gun and then went away happy they at least messed with someone else. Way I see it is a FL gives a service to a trader, it shouldn't be for free, and demanding/asking for payment after the fact seems like the wrong order. If the trader didn't offer something for help in defense or getting away, it seems like something went wrong there. It may not have been an engagement outside of ID rules, but in a way it was the giving of a mercenary service prior to any confirmation or agreement that make a contract. I would like to finally see some clarification in the rules about CD spam, maybe something should be changed to cover ID's that don't allow for making demands like miner or freelancer. That would make it so generics couldn't be used for trolling. Freelancers firing CD's after contracts are established would be no problem. Basically any CD should sort of be accompanied by either a demand (to stop) or straight up engagement notice. Until you have reason for either, you don't really have a reason as a FL to use your CD against another player.
What he should have said was 'hey i'll cruise disrupt that pirate for a million credits' and even if the trader had said 'ya', he would have got what he needed for there to be no question. What the pirate then does about that...is a whole other story.
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - nOmnomnOm - 03-23-2015
Honestly we need green text again on this.
Plz greenz
RE: CD spamming = Engagement? - Garrett Jax - 03-23-2015
When is CD spamming considered trolling, or simply a legitimate tactic to stop an opponent from getting away? The first question I would ask is, does the player spamming CD's have a legitimate inRP reason to stop the player in accordance with their ID? For example, if a Freelancer ID'd player is CD spamming a target that they have no contract against, then that would be considered trolling. If a Pirate ID player is CD spamming a trader, then that is legit. If a Lawful player is CD spamming a cloaking hostile, that is legit. Basically, if a player has no RP reason to fire CD's at another, at the time he fires them, it is trolling.
Keep in mind that it is incredibly difficult for the Admins to verify that someone is getting CD spammed, unless there is video evidence. You basically have to be taking screenshots of the player's CD ammo and show him firing at your ship repeatedly.