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RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Enkidu - 03-12-2018
Speculating what a hypothetical Xeno official faction would do with a perk it would have to request (which is very tough without a dedicated Xeno playerbase anyway, fortunately XA is starting to make a comback), is putting the cart before the horse, don't you think?
Unioners only got official and perked the ID (and the Arbeiter) into an enormous success story because we had a few dedicated madmen who enjoyed playing bad IDs with bad ships just cuz', in revival of a group that'd already had a solid shot at the server back in 2014 days. Only once we made the ID git gud and showed up every day did recruitment and player retention take care of itself. We can't assume that's repeatable - waiting for some crazy players to come along and elevate a dead ID to playability after six months of grinding isn't very fair. Ultimately balance isn't the playerbase's job.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Goliath - 03-12-2018
I really do want to see Xeno Gunboats, really. Doesn't matter if we use 2 or 3 GBs at once. We clearly wouldn't overthrow the mighty Liberty with that skill. Let us also bring to the file that few people fly Gunboats (no offence)
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - LaWey - 03-12-2018
Everyone need GB in liberty, because antisnubs GB equialent of fighter wing in case of covering. Do effective fighter/bomber group capable get caps without losses very hard with small online. You need 2 bombers and 2 fighter minimum for keep things smooth. Lawfuls in liberty easy concentrate many players in one place.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - -Rax- - 03-12-2018
Yes. Giving the chance to defend in tought situations, facing enemies that mostly use Gb's and upper class, would make the fights more interesting. The server needs action anyways, doesn't help that the enemy team called X dock their ships in combat, self-nuke and planetdive.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Goliath - 03-12-2018
Lets hope the Xeno Family will evolve. Our hope stays strong and will never die.
Also Rax gets your men we're raiding Liberty.
-Leeeeoooooon
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Omi - 03-12-2018
Won't fix them and moves further towards homogenising the ID with the rest of the pirate ones.
They will still get utterly pounded out of existence the moment Lib lawfuls catch wind of them. Xenos are just an example of a faction whose back was broken long ago when the player count started taking a nosedive, and until someone with the balls, permissions, and necessary server or dev powers takes steps to overhaul things they will probably stay a niche faction at best.
If you're going to go this angle, just give them the LWB treatment and roll Hellfire into their place instead. Don't waste everyone's time rolling caps bit by bit into one of the few IDs with any semblance of uniqueness left.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Goliath - 03-12-2018
(03-12-2018, 04:38 PM)Omicega Wrote: Won't fix them and moves further towards homogenising the ID with the rest of the pirate ones.
They will still get utterly pounded out of existence the moment Lib lawfuls catch wind of them. Xenos are just an example of a faction whose back was broken long ago when the player count started taking a nosedive, and until someone with the balls, permissions, and necessary server or dev powers takes steps to overhaul things they will probably stay a niche faction at best.
If you're going to go this angle, just give them the LWB treatment and roll Hellfire into their place instead. Don't waste everyone's time rolling caps bit by bit into one of the few IDs with any semblance of uniqueness left.
Excuse me? Xenos are one of the best factions. Yet, underrated+underpowered. Playerbase can struggle all day long to kill it. Their ID only needs some tweaks here and there.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Omi - 03-12-2018
What are you talking about? They are objectively shit. Their tech is a joke, their ZOI is small (although it is Liberty), and their diplomacy is non-existent, save for one faction which almost totally eclipses them in what they can do.
I understand that you're attached to the concept of PvPing Liberty all day with your buddies, but I am not asking for your opinion, I'm just stating the fact that the NPC faction is in a sorry state.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Goliath - 03-12-2018
Their techcell is decent although they could use some updates, yes. But removing the faction totally is a literal idiotical choice. If you see they're bad and no one is playing them, then why are YOU not playing as a Xeno.
RE: Should Xenos be allowed to use gunboats? - Omi - 03-12-2018
I played as a Xeno for years. Their tech cell is not 'decent' unless Black Widows and Suntigers got an update since I last played, because they were piss-poor then and probably still are now.
Don't worry - even if the devs did axe the Xenos (which they won't, they'd no doubt rather turn them into Liberty Rogues v2), you could still use literally any other Liberty-based pirate faction to get your jollies.