(10-24-2024, 07:27 PM)jammi Wrote:

(10-24-2024, 06:34 PM)Synts Wrote: But as it was previously pointed out here, this exploit/bug appeared because someone from the staff team messed up. Of course now it's easy to swing the banhammer and blame it all on the players (you should have reported it, you should not have done it). But this fault is the same with the staff team, and I have not yet seen here that someone who made this exploit/bug possible has stepped up here and admitted it. I understand that these days you need to have big balls to look in the mirror and say: "Shiet, because of me now many players are getting shiet on their necks"
And I still don't understand how such a business could last 2 weeks, so there was no alarm about it anywhere?

To explain what had happened here, I was implementing a new system to generate prices for pilots. Basically, bases "produce" pilots of the same affiliation.

This means the automated price calculator will then set those pilots as their "base" value ($50), which will increase at a steady rate to other stations based on the amount of time it takes to fly to them. So a Liberty Navy Battleship very close to a Rogue base will buy them for very little, while a prison very far from the closest Rogue base will pay a lot more.

Commodities that we then want to use as a "price anchor" to create the above effect - but not actually allow to be sold to players - are then suppressed through a parameter in a second, separate file.

The issue here was threefold.

1) The Zoner pilots were set to produce, but I did not correctly apply the suppression parameter in commodities.ini. This meant players could buy Zoner Pilots from Bethlehem Station and a few other places. Normally this wouldn't be an issue, because the pricing calculator would scale prices at a steady 7csu (or whatever) so all you'd have is a standard non-HRC trade route with a silly looking commodity, however:

2) Valley Forge Station has serverside price overrides for pilot prices to help new players that are doing PVE and missions. This station buys pilots at $250. The pricing calculator can't see serverside price overrides and only takes account of information defined locally in the game files. Unfortunately:

3) One of the pilots types Valley Forge was buying was Zoner Pilots, because Militant NPCs did not have their own specific Pilot commodity and were also using Zoners.

This exploit occurred for just under 2 days, and was spotted when I was doing the work to implement Militant Pilots. I then noticed the obscenely high csu for the route on Darkstat, with several other people reporting it shortly after.

At that point, Admins urgently removed the Valley Forge prices, serverside disabled pilot sellpoints and began investigating who had been trading using this obvious exploit. At the point the exploit was discovered, several staff were outside Bethlehem when a barge jumped in, to attempt to trade more pilots and was Bastilled.

Over the last few weeks staff have been tracing cash transfers and server logs to determine who was involved in this activity, and the preliminary findings were that the majority were clustered as members of a particular faction. That led us to conclude one of them had probably spotted the issue, shared the news and told their friends to get on it while the going was good.

We've Bastilled several ships in order to prevent further money transfers that at least appeared to be intended to obfuscate how the money had been earned and where it was. We've offered this process to allow people to come clean and remove the exploited funds and assets. Given the names involved, most of them absolutely should have known better.

For my part, I am sorry for my oversight, mostly for the amount of grief I've caused server staff and the hours they've had to spend unpicking money transfers. We've made some changes to pre-emptively catch these kinds of issues going forward, including a revised QA process and pre-patch checklist.

Quote:This exploit occurred for just under 2 days, and was spotted when I was doing the work to implement Militant Pilots. I then noticed the obscenely high csu for the route on Darkstat, with several other people reporting it shortly after.

Quote: Valley Forge Station has serverside price overrides for pilot prices to help new players that are doing PVE and missions. This station buys pilots at $250.

Quote:Over the last few weeks staff have been tracing cash transfers and server logs to determine who was involved in this activity, and the preliminary findings were that the majority were clustered as members of a particular faction. That led us to conclude one of them had probably spotted the issue, shared the news and told their friends to get on it while the going was good.

(10-24-2024, 06:57 PM)Synts Wrote:

(10-24-2024, 06:55 PM)Fab Wrote:

(10-24-2024, 06:34 PM)Synts Wrote: But this fault is the same with the staff team

No. If I leave my phone on a table and I turn my back to it for a split second and someone snatches it, I don't owe anyone an apology. What do you expect? Say "Sorry, mr. thief, for tempting you with my carelessness, it is my fault for making you steal my phone because I made it easy to steal it"?

a banhammer swing is more than warranted.

You must be 10 years old to compare real life theft, and bug/exploit users in a video game.

(10-25-2024, 06:28 AM)Busy Miner Wrote: Wouldn't it simply be better to switch back to the original vanilla system of economy/commodities? All that fancy buy/sell price stuff is overcomplicating things now that the POBs have factories anyway, so there is no real need for that. And as it seems it is prone to errors. Better use your time and energy to flesh out the economy and create some real linear prices based on availability/demand/distance from producer. And I guess all that scripting is more power/server-hungry than the vanilla prices that are just written into each NPC base/planet.

(10-25-2024, 06:28 AM)Busy Miner Wrote: And as it seems it is prone to errors.

(10-25-2024, 10:48 AM)jammi Wrote: Explanation of how the economy currently works.

(10-25-2024, 10:02 AM)Voziloth Wrote: This thread is beyond the point of it's original topic it should be closed. As for the player attempting mental gymnasts you should be thankful for how it is handled by the admin team as they could have just purged your ships pobs posted on the sanction thread and be done with it.

Also returning the economy to vanilla? You do know that there is a whole House that did not exist in Vanilla not mentioning a bunch of bases and factions added by Discovery. You see why that is a impossible idea.

(10-27-2024, 04:45 PM)Darkseid667 Wrote: Are you actively trying to misunderstand the post? The vanilla system of trading commodities, that has been in use till the last major update is meant here.