(03-08-2017, 02:38 PM)Alley Wrote: God no, I'm not stupid enough to do that. I would have destroyed several factions by now if I went by this logic.
You don't necessarily have to be some roleplay god to understand when you are a faction member, you represent said faction and your actions directly affect it. Perhaps it is time to think a lil about it.

(03-08-2017, 02:05 PM)TickTack Wrote: If the LSF never FR5'd you then yes you are completely free to do so and they'd have nobody to blame BUT themselves, weather it's due to them being inactive or being too lazy the fault is entirely theirs... I don't consider it OORP at all, it's the lack of |PRIME's RP that lead to this all they had to do was file a request but because they were too lazy to go and tell the docking administrator not to let us dock they left themselves open to getting spied upon.

Also they're really incompetent... they're toasters with wires attached to a fan in case their processor overheats.

(03-08-2017, 01:56 PM)Vendetta Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 01:47 PM)Shaggy Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 02:29 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(03-07-2017, 08:35 PM)PRJKTLRD Wrote: Especially Auxesia. I remember when we wanted to trade that one Nomad Prototype and when guess who, asked to come and steal it. Just out of nowhere. You talk about "RP logic" but you don't think do your acts have some "logic"? Like, how you inRP knew of that? Asking OOC-ly doesen't justifies your acts though.



Nobody asked me really if I wanted that to happen. But they asked Foxglove. (against whom, I don't have anything bad to think regarding that)

We didn't ask. We were offered to interrupt a deal that was taking place in a system we used to base from. I'm pretty sure I clarified that for you already.

To reiterate the point of the original question however, it would be extremely unlikely for you to successfully conduct an operation on Wichita without us or the Legion catching wind, more-so the former as we've got an outpost planetside. Frankly, I don't have a problem with what you choose to do, but it will raise questions and those questions need to be asked at one point or another.

I'm not going to compare it to someone attempting to infiltrate Alaska or land on Schatten undetected, because it isn't the same thing or remotely close, but there is still that element of people - hostile people - operating in that area, that while you've been interrogating traffic for (which is pretty smart to do, by the way) won't yield a lot of answers, especially not for instance the location of our outpost there.

Now I'm acutely aware that this isn't what you're after, but what my concern and @"Auzari"'s concern is - would you/will you actively take into consideration the significant presence of people the Commune is effectively at war with being in the area? Additionally, how to you expect to successfully approach a location that's heavily monitored for traffic due to the faction operating the outpost (us) being extremely paranoid about the last time they were operating there? (Read the lore for reference of 'last time')

I dont want tl be too involved in feedback threads but you and Auzuri are both speaking ss if Auxesia had a NPC faction in the system and there is more of you inrp than there actually is which could also be seen as powergamey. Having claims without anything to back your claims up is weak but thank you for the feedback.

Discrediting the RP of an official faction because it doesn't have an NPC faction that it represents is a strawman argument afaik. The RP was done with other official factions, including a shared lab with the IRG.

Be that as it may, there's still the Xenos and HF in the system.

EDIT: And technically speaking by your logic, any faction that doesn't have an NPC faction representing it wouldn't matter.

So by that standard, the HF wouldn't have mattered when they were Lane Hackers, because they RP'd as a separate entity and not as actual Lane Hackers.

The IRG's RP wouldn't matter, because 99% of the Zoners are not IRG, and most Zoners aren't even part of the same group.

The Commune considers themselves to be a separate entity from the Outcasts. By that logic, since there's no Commune NPCs, they'd have no RP to back up their positions either. You're essentially saying that RP by factions not represented by NPCs is invalid. Would that technically mean that the CR's roleplay before they became NPCs was invalid, too? What about the Reapers of Sirius?

(03-08-2017, 10:50 AM)Etaphreven Wrote: My encounters with you were like this:

1. Your guys just circling around the miners in Penny, trying to chat them up. You know, the "We just wanna talk and drink" kind of RP, even with police around. Penny is pretty much the only* place I meet the Commune. You're there quite often and I have no idea why, as showing off your shiny ships to the newbies there and other traders, and cruising around to avoid conflict when the cops show up is "meh" at best.

2. *One exception is NY. I was in a Pirate Transport, fighting off a Navy Corvo, when one of your guys (Jack something, I think, can check logs) just drops out of the lane, sends me a group invite which I don't respond to as I'm Pirate ID, says "assisting friendly" or something like that and starts shooting at the Corvo as well. There was literally zero effort put into that.

All in all, I haven't seen anything that contributes to the in game roleplay environment from you. Not yet, at least. I understand you have some forum RP in place, but eh, in game it's like you don't exist. When I see you guys, I just don't care what you are (The Commune, Outcasts, etc). Your RP is so bland that I just see you as "generic hostiles". You're the first faction that makes me feel like that. Even the random LNSs in New York make me think once or twice about how I approach a situation. I won't comment on the forum RP as I have not read it and probably won't anyway, as I have no interest and it has zero relevance to the way you conduct yourselves in game.

Based on my experience with you guys so far, I can't see any reason for you to become official.

(03-08-2017, 03:50 PM)Shaggy Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 01:56 PM)Vendetta Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 01:47 PM)Shaggy Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 02:29 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(03-07-2017, 08:35 PM)PRJKTLRD Wrote: Especially Auxesia. I remember when we wanted to trade that one Nomad Prototype and when guess who, asked to come and steal it. Just out of nowhere. You talk about "RP logic" but you don't think do your acts have some "logic"? Like, how you inRP knew of that? Asking OOC-ly doesen't justifies your acts though.



Nobody asked me really if I wanted that to happen. But they asked Foxglove. (against whom, I don't have anything bad to think regarding that)

We didn't ask. We were offered to interrupt a deal that was taking place in a system we used to base from. I'm pretty sure I clarified that for you already.

To reiterate the point of the original question however, it would be extremely unlikely for you to successfully conduct an operation on Wichita without us or the Legion catching wind, more-so the former as we've got an outpost planetside. Frankly, I don't have a problem with what you choose to do, but it will raise questions and those questions need to be asked at one point or another.

I'm not going to compare it to someone attempting to infiltrate Alaska or land on Schatten undetected, because it isn't the same thing or remotely close, but there is still that element of people - hostile people - operating in that area, that while you've been interrogating traffic for (which is pretty smart to do, by the way) won't yield a lot of answers, especially not for instance the location of our outpost there.

Now I'm acutely aware that this isn't what you're after, but what my concern and @"Auzari"'s concern is - would you/will you actively take into consideration the significant presence of people the Commune is effectively at war with being in the area? Additionally, how to you expect to successfully approach a location that's heavily monitored for traffic due to the faction operating the outpost (us) being extremely paranoid about the last time they were operating there? (Read the lore for reference of 'last time')

I dont want tl be too involved in feedback threads but you and Auzuri are both speaking ss if Auxesia had a NPC faction in the system and there is more of you inrp than there actually is which could also be seen as powergamey. Having claims without anything to back your claims up is weak but thank you for the feedback.

Discrediting the RP of an official faction because it doesn't have an NPC faction that it represents is a strawman argument afaik. The RP was done with other official factions, including a shared lab with the IRG.

Be that as it may, there's still the Xenos and HF in the system.

EDIT: And technically speaking by your logic, any faction that doesn't have an NPC faction representing it wouldn't matter.

So by that standard, the HF wouldn't have mattered when they were Lane Hackers, because they RP'd as a separate entity and not as actual Lane Hackers.

The IRG's RP wouldn't matter, because 99% of the Zoners are not IRG, and most Zoners aren't even part of the same group.

The Commune considers themselves to be a separate entity from the Outcasts. By that logic, since there's no Commune NPCs, they'd have no RP to back up their positions either. You're essentially saying that RP by factions not represented by NPCs is invalid. Would that technically mean that the CR's roleplay before they became NPCs was invalid, too? What about the Reapers of Sirius?

It appears you are twisting my words to see what is most fitting for you to understand, I am not saying anything is invalid at all. What I am saying is that the way yourself and Auzuri wrote it, it would be the way for Auxesia to have "NPC Patrols" flying around the system which everyone knows inRP Auxesia are only a small -battlegroup- they don't have there own installation, they are still using there own but they do also have a few warships, Two osiris, one overlord and a battlecruiser if I am not mistaken (something along these lines) but these ships are all over sirius. So again inRP Auxesia is only a small group as well so they might have an installation on this planet but would being such a small faction in numbers help with your arguement considering Commune is small with less than 15 pilots inRP if I am not mistaken. I am not here to speak on a feedback thread, I have things to do.

Why are you bringing up factions such as LH, CR and RoS in a faction feedback thread of Commune? Why are you changing the topic dramatically. Please keep it on topic. Thank you.

(03-08-2017, 09:59 PM)Dave.Synk Wrote: Concepts and ideas can be usually interpreted quite often given the nature of an RP environment, especially when differential opinions do exist.

But since I've considered @Vendetta you being more cooperative than someone else from your faction, to show you that Commune is a good RP sport and rival inRPly, we and personally I will be responsible to do extensive RP regarding our way to reach the exact location of our interests. I need to clarify first of all that we are well aware about the nowadays status of the Kansas system, and we, under no circumstance, even claim to just barge there, descend, go, take out and leave, like nobody resides there.

We will take care of this RP planning to be very reasonable for both Commune and Auxesia, since they have a more stronger foothold on the planet. We will find a reasonable way to get to our isolated asset, but I can only expect a reasonable status from your side as well. We can even invite you to take part in this story we wish to create, if you consider this to be needed. Because, being put in a position of yours, it would, apparently look from the outside that we ignore the actual RP work and effort you've put to create your ground base and since I am all high with RP since I'm part of this community, it would be only fair and just to do it in a non-abusive and powergamey way.

Given the previous encounter in Pennsylvania, during that moment, given our pass and escape from the Liberty sector, we managed to pass over through Kansas, quickly enough to do a sweep scan, only to a certain area in which our presumed asset should be. Even ingame we didn't reside for too long, because we wanted to avoid any contact. That, taken as an inRP situation, we didn't want to stay too long so your forces to prepare and retaliate even more, because you had all the reasons to do so. I don't say we entered in a stealthy way, and I have to say, that personally I wasn't aware of the implications of the Auxesia's ground base on Wichita being so large. It would only be clearly that we had no reason to do anything, and several ships had no possible way to avoid your perimeter scans.

All that being said, we are aware of what difficulty would present the possibility to infiltrate on the surface of the planet to avoid said attention or to at least attract a minimum one.

If your side doesn't take an all-mighty impossible to penetrate stance, we will be more than interested to develop an extensive RP line to find a method to get there and get what we need.

RP Is flexible and so we are willing to become, so you and others would clear any concerns that have regarding that idea. The other matters, that I consider small, that have been posted, with minor ooRP approach of Jack Light, as I've seen a screenshot, those are not a real concern and can be easily corrected. When it comes with an RP big enough to affect another faction, I'm very interested to clear and find solutions.

I hope it clears many of your concerns mate.

PS: I need to mention for those unaware that the whole Commune RP doesn't orbitate around Wichita now, it's only a project that was presented by my character to the members of Commune, and does not represent the whole Commune Roleplay story/background as a whole. I am fully responsible for the Wichita story.