(03-08-2017, 02:38 PM)Alley Wrote: God no, I'm not stupid enough to do that. I would have destroyed several factions by now if I went by this logic.
You don't necessarily have to be some roleplay god to understand when you are a faction member, you represent said faction and your actions directly affect it. Perhaps it is time to think a lil about it.
Well Like I said Alley sometimes I don't get it right, this is pretty much the first time I've gone into in-depth RP so it's all pretty much unknown to me I am human and I do make mistakes sometimes but like I said I do hope you can forgive me.
(03-08-2017, 02:05 PM)TickTack Wrote: If the LSF never FR5'd you then yes you are completely free to do so and they'd have nobody to blame BUT themselves, weather it's due to them being inactive or being too lazy the fault is entirely theirs... I don't consider it OORP at all, it's the lack of |PRIME's RP that lead to this all they had to do was file a request but because they were too lazy to go and tell the docking administrator not to let us dock they left themselves open to getting spied upon.
Also they're really incompetent... they're toasters with wires attached to a fan in case their processor overheats.
"Lack of Prime's Roleplay?" Not speaking from an Auxesian perspective, just mine.
Sure, Prime hasn't done a vast amount of forum work lately (which will soon change), but if you look into what official AI has done over the last four years you'll find an extraordinary amount of RP depth.
This is the equivilent of docking on Dur Shurrikan because you have an IFF bug, and buying large quantities of liquid cardamine. No.
Gammu technology is completely incompatible with human technology without the consent of a Gammuian intelligence. They're only compatible one way. Consider how difficult it is for Humans to make Human/Nomad hybrid technology compared to the relative ease/effectiveness of Nomad-induced Human/Nomad hybrids - the same applies to Gammu for very solid InRp and Oorp reasons, main one is to make AI tech something rare and unique to people involved with the roleplay for it.
We've had this sort of thing in the past when Gammu displayed a Zoner IFF on the docking ring, whilst still being nominally the AI planet, selling AI ships and AI IDs. Various groups of Zoners attempted to claim the planet as their own and started blowing up AI ships until they adopted pseudo-subservience.
The AI docking ring is neutral to most because Gammuians have considerable freedom of personal affiliation and have for years. Docking, buying, and roleplaying with a faction asset in violation of OFL lore norms is a bit of a sour move, since it relies on the IFF system, which, whilst it exists INRP, its regulation occurs through the OORP request and sanction system. The current faction leader can't be active all the time.
Remember, the Gammuians are a -species-, not just a unified faction. It would be readily possible for multiple AI factions to exist at once with significantly different roleplay. Compare Vagrants and K'hara.
As for the AIs being "stupid toasters", this is an attitude that effectively dictates somebody else's lore to them. Please don't. They're a cojoined network of quantum polymorphic alien intelligences inhabiting the Gammuian intranet. They are sentient, they are self-aware. If somebody went around saying nomads are flying space calamari and the commune are a bunch of tentacle fetishists, wouldn't you be slightly indignant? Relax, calm down, and read the lores of others.
(03-07-2017, 08:35 PM)PRJKTLRD Wrote: Especially Auxesia. I remember when we wanted to trade that one Nomad Prototype and when guess who, asked to come and steal it. Just out of nowhere. You talk about "RP logic" but you don't think do your acts have some "logic"? Like, how you inRP knew of that? Asking OOC-ly doesen't justifies your acts though.
Nobody asked me really if I wanted that to happen. But they asked Foxglove. (against whom, I don't have anything bad to think regarding that)
We didn't ask. We were offered to interrupt a deal that was taking place in a system we used to base from. I'm pretty sure I clarified that for you already.
To reiterate the point of the original question however, it would be extremely unlikely for you to successfully conduct an operation on Wichita without us or the Legion catching wind, more-so the former as we've got an outpost planetside. Frankly, I don't have a problem with what you choose to do, but it will raise questions and those questions need to be asked at one point or another.
I'm not going to compare it to someone attempting to infiltrate Alaska or land on Schatten undetected, because it isn't the same thing or remotely close, but there is still that element of people - hostile people - operating in that area, that while you've been interrogating traffic for (which is pretty smart to do, by the way) won't yield a lot of answers, especially not for instance the location of our outpost there.
Now I'm acutely aware that this isn't what you're after, but what my concern and @"Auzari"'s concern is - would you/will you actively take into consideration the significant presence of people the Commune is effectively at war with being in the area? Additionally, how to you expect to successfully approach a location that's heavily monitored for traffic due to the faction operating the outpost (us) being extremely paranoid about the last time they were operating there? (Read the lore for reference of 'last time')
I dont want tl be too involved in feedback threads but you and Auzuri are both speaking ss if Auxesia had a NPC faction in the system and there is more of you inrp than there actually is which could also be seen as powergamey. Having claims without anything to back your claims up is weak but thank you for the feedback.
Discrediting the RP of an official faction because it doesn't have an NPC faction that it represents is a strawman argument afaik. The RP was done with other official factions, including a shared lab with the IRG.
Be that as it may, there's still the Xenos and HF in the system.
EDIT: And technically speaking by your logic, any faction that doesn't have an NPC faction representing it wouldn't matter.
So by that standard, the HF wouldn't have mattered when they were Lane Hackers, because they RP'd as a separate entity and not as actual Lane Hackers.
The IRG's RP wouldn't matter, because 99% of the Zoners are not IRG, and most Zoners aren't even part of the same group.
The Commune considers themselves to be a separate entity from the Outcasts. By that logic, since there's no Commune NPCs, they'd have no RP to back up their positions either. You're essentially saying that RP by factions not represented by NPCs is invalid. Would that technically mean that the CR's roleplay before they became NPCs was invalid, too? What about the Reapers of Sirius?
It appears you are twisting my words to see what is most fitting for you to understand, I am not saying anything is invalid at all. What I am saying is that the way yourself and Auzuri wrote it, it would be the way for Auxesia to have "NPC Patrols" flying around the system which everyone knows inRP Auxesia are only a small -battlegroup- they don't have there own installation, they are still using there own but they do also have a few warships, Two osiris, one overlord and a battlecruiser if I am not mistaken (something along these lines) but these ships are all over sirius. So again inRP Auxesia is only a small group as well so they might have an installation on this planet but would being such a small faction in numbers help with your arguement considering Commune is small with less than 15 pilots inRP if I am not mistaken. I am not here to speak on a feedback thread, I have things to do.
Why are you bringing up factions such as LH, CR and RoS in a faction feedback thread of Commune? Why are you changing the topic dramatically. Please keep it on topic. Thank you.
Oh my god. I said feedback and positive things here to improve. I didn't expect this chaos to happen. And I tend to see again that @Vendetta and @"Auzari" are again revolving around it.
To be honest, as how things went lately, our RP is going solid. We have a good perspective on what to do, NOT to meta or powergame any other faction, abuse, affect, the experience of someone else's RP. I can now clearly understand that we've hit the nerves of several individuals, at least those a fore mentioned that we apparently overlooked their base on the planet. I said again, we are clear now that the system is no longer abandoned like it used to and stuff like that. We are not interested in any of your assets or anything. The possibility to infiltrate a planet is very possible, because, excuse, you have an outpost not a metropolis, so be more realistic if you want to play like that with us, and that would be about our future RP intentions in that area.
We are pirates to an extent, there is variety in our group. We are not all elitists as diplomats, assassin's, researchers and all that. The simple pilots who are intended to be pirates and hunters, don't expect from them too much to receive an extraordinary amount of RP. As someone mentioned up there. Our activity and more RP connection involves other factions on which some already replied here. Aka, the Vagrants.
And, I would like, for once, or at least the last time here on this thread. If you have something to say, make it constructive, in the manner that point the wrong and make the approach more "it would've been better to do it like this... imo" It doesn't hurt to be polite I guess. Stop throwing irrelevant dirt that doesn't affect people's gaming experience and abuse them. Because as i've seen all kind of pictures and stuff posted by Auzari, it's stuff that many do when nobody watches, furthermore flames coming from people who never even interacted with us inRPly.
The complaints at least coming from you two, and those that eventually escalated, came from small mistakes that didn't affect some people's experience or to change the perspective/status of the Commune faction as a whole. Therefore, it is quite obvious and people can tell that this is an attempt to find the needle in the haystack with each small bit of "mistakes" our members did. Be reasonable. Nobody had a loss from that, because I think some people forget it's just a game.
Again, thank you for the feedback @Alley, I will take in consideration what you said. I didn't meant to put anymore emphasis on that old faction, but it was something good that had connection with my character inRP. No need to dig up the dead people.
And also I want to apologize for the reactions of Tick Tack, as I said, not all are diplomats. Thank you for your input.
PS: If some don't have respect for certain members, have some respect for the work given, because it's not a lolwut group, the people who do hardcore RP in our group are well known people around the community and have a good sense of quality RP and stories. Thank you again.
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. - Sovereign
As we divided into specific cells, and as I basically gave all credits to our RP projects to Marko and Silviu, I think they will handle everything related with our projects as they have better idea about them.
We again apologise for the TickTack's attitude in this thread but believe me, it's the frustration that comes out of him because we put a lot of effort in this faction, and we really try not to ruin other's fun. He's a good guy and he likes to RP.
If you would hear all the limitations we have, you'd really laugh. I even forbid to make more than one character per player, so the players and the members would actually, fly more realistically across the universe, rather than straight jumping on where the most players are, in order to have more chance to interract.
I will therefore handle this kind of stuff, below. As Silviu mentioned, our new recruits will be the force, to gather our income and do bounties.
(03-08-2017, 10:50 AM)Etaphreven Wrote: My encounters with you were like this:
1. Your guys just circling around the miners in Penny, trying to chat them up. You know, the "We just wanna talk and drink" kind of RP, even with police around. Penny is pretty much the only* place I meet the Commune. You're there quite often and I have no idea why, as showing off your shiny ships to the newbies there and other traders, and cruising around to avoid conflict when the cops show up is "meh" at best.
2. *One exception is NY. I was in a Pirate Transport, fighting off a Navy Corvo, when one of your guys (Jack something, I think, can check logs) just drops out of the lane, sends me a group invite which I don't respond to as I'm Pirate ID, says "assisting friendly" or something like that and starts shooting at the Corvo as well. There was literally zero effort put into that.
All in all, I haven't seen anything that contributes to the in game roleplay environment from you. Not yet, at least. I understand you have some forum RP in place, but eh, in game it's like you don't exist. When I see you guys, I just don't care what you are (The Commune, Outcasts, etc). Your RP is so bland that I just see you as "generic hostiles". You're the first faction that makes me feel like that. Even the random LNSs in New York make me think once or twice about how I approach a situation. I won't comment on the forum RP as I have not read it and probably won't anyway, as I have no interest and it has zero relevance to the way you conduct yourselves in game.
Based on my experience with you guys so far, I can't see any reason for you to become official.
It seems like you do not leave NY/Pennsylvania often. I mean, it's not fine to judge our group based on just two interactions. You as well mentioned how you do not like our group, and you do not want to read our RP. Then, the problem is with you, not with us as you do not let yourself to get to know more about us. And believe me, 3 hour journeys and talking with other people is nothing strange or new to us.
I would definetly advise you to read more of our stuff as I believe you'd change your opinion.
edit: We basicaly document all of any RP interaction ingame, that's more than pew. We don't really document how we blued someone.
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(03-07-2017, 08:35 PM)PRJKTLRD Wrote: Especially Auxesia. I remember when we wanted to trade that one Nomad Prototype and when guess who, asked to come and steal it. Just out of nowhere. You talk about "RP logic" but you don't think do your acts have some "logic"? Like, how you inRP knew of that? Asking OOC-ly doesen't justifies your acts though.
Nobody asked me really if I wanted that to happen. But they asked Foxglove. (against whom, I don't have anything bad to think regarding that)
We didn't ask. We were offered to interrupt a deal that was taking place in a system we used to base from. I'm pretty sure I clarified that for you already.
To reiterate the point of the original question however, it would be extremely unlikely for you to successfully conduct an operation on Wichita without us or the Legion catching wind, more-so the former as we've got an outpost planetside. Frankly, I don't have a problem with what you choose to do, but it will raise questions and those questions need to be asked at one point or another.
I'm not going to compare it to someone attempting to infiltrate Alaska or land on Schatten undetected, because it isn't the same thing or remotely close, but there is still that element of people - hostile people - operating in that area, that while you've been interrogating traffic for (which is pretty smart to do, by the way) won't yield a lot of answers, especially not for instance the location of our outpost there.
Now I'm acutely aware that this isn't what you're after, but what my concern and @"Auzari"'s concern is - would you/will you actively take into consideration the significant presence of people the Commune is effectively at war with being in the area? Additionally, how to you expect to successfully approach a location that's heavily monitored for traffic due to the faction operating the outpost (us) being extremely paranoid about the last time they were operating there? (Read the lore for reference of 'last time')
I dont want tl be too involved in feedback threads but you and Auzuri are both speaking ss if Auxesia had a NPC faction in the system and there is more of you inrp than there actually is which could also be seen as powergamey. Having claims without anything to back your claims up is weak but thank you for the feedback.
Discrediting the RP of an official faction because it doesn't have an NPC faction that it represents is a strawman argument afaik. The RP was done with other official factions, including a shared lab with the IRG.
Be that as it may, there's still the Xenos and HF in the system.
EDIT: And technically speaking by your logic, any faction that doesn't have an NPC faction representing it wouldn't matter.
So by that standard, the HF wouldn't have mattered when they were Lane Hackers, because they RP'd as a separate entity and not as actual Lane Hackers.
The IRG's RP wouldn't matter, because 99% of the Zoners are not IRG, and most Zoners aren't even part of the same group.
The Commune considers themselves to be a separate entity from the Outcasts. By that logic, since there's no Commune NPCs, they'd have no RP to back up their positions either. You're essentially saying that RP by factions not represented by NPCs is invalid. Would that technically mean that the CR's roleplay before they became NPCs was invalid, too? What about the Reapers of Sirius?
It appears you are twisting my words to see what is most fitting for you to understand, I am not saying anything is invalid at all. What I am saying is that the way yourself and Auzuri wrote it, it would be the way for Auxesia to have "NPC Patrols" flying around the system which everyone knows inRP Auxesia are only a small -battlegroup- they don't have there own installation, they are still using there own but they do also have a few warships, Two osiris, one overlord and a battlecruiser if I am not mistaken (something along these lines) but these ships are all over sirius. So again inRP Auxesia is only a small group as well so they might have an installation on this planet but would being such a small faction in numbers help with your arguement considering Commune is small with less than 15 pilots inRP if I am not mistaken. I am not here to speak on a feedback thread, I have things to do.
Why are you bringing up factions such as LH, CR and RoS in a faction feedback thread of Commune? Why are you changing the topic dramatically. Please keep it on topic. Thank you.
You could not possibly be any more wrong than you currently are. We're not a Battlegroup, and haven't been one for nearly a year now. We never had two Osiris' (just one), or an Overlord (it was a Monument), we do have a Bullhead.
I defer you to the massive wall of text that is our lore and literally dozens of comms/threads that specify the growth of the faction.
My point still remains - Just because there isn't an NPC faction representing it, doesn't mean there isn't a presence there. I referenced exactly how your point is flawed and used other groups to give examples as to why your argument is a strawman one. Saying we're 'small' based on your own perception of the group and not actually reading the lore is another weak argument.
But I'm not here to break it down for you, Shaggy. I asked a question that has yet to be answered.
@"Dave.Synk" The point of this thread is for the Community to comment on the activity and RP of the faction based on what they see and how they've interacted with it. We're doing exactly that, and you've yet to answer the question above to alleviate our concerns. Look at the questions being asked and the arguments being made, not the people making them.
Concepts and ideas can be usually interpreted quite often given the nature of an RP environment, especially when differential opinions do exist.
But since I've considered @Vendetta you being more cooperative than someone else from your faction, to show you that Commune is a good RP sport and rival inRPly, we and personally I will be responsible to do extensive RP regarding our way to reach the exact location of our interests. I need to clarify first of all that we are well aware about the nowadays status of the Kansas system, and we, under no circumstance, even claim to just barge there, descend, go, take out and leave, like nobody resides there.
We will take care of this RP planning to be very reasonable for both Commune and Auxesia, since they have a more stronger foothold on the planet. We will find a reasonable way to get to our isolated asset, but I can only expect a reasonable status from your side as well. We can even invite you to take part in this story we wish to create, if you consider this to be needed. Because, being put in a position of yours, it would, apparently look from the outside that we ignore the actual RP work and effort you've put to create your ground base and since I am all high with RP since I'm part of this community, it would be only fair and just to do it in a non-abusive and powergamey way.
Given the previous encounter in Pennsylvania, during that moment, given our pass and escape from the Liberty sector, we managed to pass over through Kansas, quickly enough to do a sweep scan, only to a certain area in which our presumed asset should be. Even ingame we didn't reside for too long, because we wanted to avoid any contact. That, taken as an inRP situation, we didn't want to stay too long so your forces to prepare and retaliate even more, because you had all the reasons to do so. I don't say we entered in a stealthy way, and I have to say, that personally I wasn't aware of the implications of the Auxesia's ground base on Wichita being so large. It would only be clearly that we had no reason to do anything, and several ships had no possible way to avoid your perimeter scans.
All that being said, we are aware of what difficulty would present the possibility to infiltrate on the surface of the planet to avoid said attention or to at least attract a minimum one.
If your side doesn't take an all-mighty impossible to penetrate stance, we will be more than interested to develop an extensive RP line to find a method to get there and get what we need.
RP Is flexible and so we are willing to become, so you and others would clear any concerns that have regarding that idea. The other matters, that I consider small, that have been posted, with minor ooRP approach of Jack Light, as I've seen a screenshot, those are not a real concern and can be easily corrected, we all do small mistakes here. When it comes with an RP big enough to affect another faction, I'm very interested to clear and find solutions.
I hope it clears many of your concerns mate.
PS: I need to mention for those unaware that the whole Commune RP doesn't orbitate around Wichita now, it's only a project that was presented by my character to the members of Commune, and does not represent the whole Commune Roleplay story/background as a whole. I am fully responsible for the Wichita story.
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. - Sovereign
(03-08-2017, 09:59 PM)Dave.Synk Wrote: Concepts and ideas can be usually interpreted quite often given the nature of an RP environment, especially when differential opinions do exist.
But since I've considered @Vendetta you being more cooperative than someone else from your faction, to show you that Commune is a good RP sport and rival inRPly, we and personally I will be responsible to do extensive RP regarding our way to reach the exact location of our interests. I need to clarify first of all that we are well aware about the nowadays status of the Kansas system, and we, under no circumstance, even claim to just barge there, descend, go, take out and leave, like nobody resides there.
We will take care of this RP planning to be very reasonable for both Commune and Auxesia, since they have a more stronger foothold on the planet. We will find a reasonable way to get to our isolated asset, but I can only expect a reasonable status from your side as well. We can even invite you to take part in this story we wish to create, if you consider this to be needed. Because, being put in a position of yours, it would, apparently look from the outside that we ignore the actual RP work and effort you've put to create your ground base and since I am all high with RP since I'm part of this community, it would be only fair and just to do it in a non-abusive and powergamey way.
Given the previous encounter in Pennsylvania, during that moment, given our pass and escape from the Liberty sector, we managed to pass over through Kansas, quickly enough to do a sweep scan, only to a certain area in which our presumed asset should be. Even ingame we didn't reside for too long, because we wanted to avoid any contact. That, taken as an inRP situation, we didn't want to stay too long so your forces to prepare and retaliate even more, because you had all the reasons to do so. I don't say we entered in a stealthy way, and I have to say, that personally I wasn't aware of the implications of the Auxesia's ground base on Wichita being so large. It would only be clearly that we had no reason to do anything, and several ships had no possible way to avoid your perimeter scans.
All that being said, we are aware of what difficulty would present the possibility to infiltrate on the surface of the planet to avoid said attention or to at least attract a minimum one.
If your side doesn't take an all-mighty impossible to penetrate stance, we will be more than interested to develop an extensive RP line to find a method to get there and get what we need.
RP Is flexible and so we are willing to become, so you and others would clear any concerns that have regarding that idea. The other matters, that I consider small, that have been posted, with minor ooRP approach of Jack Light, as I've seen a screenshot, those are not a real concern and can be easily corrected. When it comes with an RP big enough to affect another faction, I'm very interested to clear and find solutions.
I hope it clears many of your concerns mate.
PS: I need to mention for those unaware that the whole Commune RP doesn't orbitate around Wichita now, it's only a project that was presented by my character to the members of Commune, and does not represent the whole Commune Roleplay story/background as a whole. I am fully responsible for the Wichita story.
Thank you. This actually does alleviate my concerns in some way.
Though I should reiterate our presence on Wichita isn't large in comparison to the other occupants of the system its self such as the Xenos nearby or the Legion/Commonwealth entirely. Currently that medium-sized outpost serves as a central hub for operations in our current state. While we're not an overbearing force, it's still a primary zone for our people, hence why traffic would be monitored closely, especially with the rise of civilian traffic caused by the DSE mining operation.
I should also elaborate that I'm not trying to halt your RP in any way, and I have no problem with activity in the area or what you guys want to do. Nyx and I saw some holes/flaws in the story that would raise a lot of questions - not just by us, but by the other factions in the area should they be bothered to examine the context of the scenario.
I hope I cleared some concerns, and to the others as well, letting them know, we are not ignorant or.. act like some newbies with our RP, we've been here for a while like you guys, some even more older and we got the hang of it. I am personally interested to develop more the interactions between our factions even. And I can assure you that at least those who have a more vast experience with RP in our group, would offer quality roleplay 100% of the time, given good occasions and reasonable circumstances. This is available for the all the other factions that have concerns about our ways. I'd really like to interact with the others as well more, but given our activity inRP more in the Omicrons, if we'll ever cross those sectors in Liberty we'll be sure to offer a good interaction.
You are welcome mate. I am glad it is more cleared.
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. - Sovereign
[09.03.2017 20:24:41] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //shieldrunning?
[09.03.2017 20:40:42] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //shield running again
[09.03.2017 20:45:54] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //rlly?
[09.03.2017 21:00:14] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //and the 6th time you shieldrun (maybe even more)
[09.03.2017 21:02:01] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //seriously.
[09.03.2017 21:09:24] [BG]-Tia.Stormclaw: //I won't fight you anymore.
Okay.
Let me explain. I was trying to get some RP in when your member here intruded and let my interaction target get away. I then turned and engaged. (Bounty allows it.)
Does not matter if you are in a light fighter or whatever. Shieldrunning goes the same for everyone and it makes an encounter (PvP fight that is) Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy boring and I lose my will to even right click. (Had to press space at some point to shoot). At the part where this person finally learned that he has 0 chance of taking me down, they start cruising away, completely ruining the encounter for one side (me). If you can't fight, don't. You were in a light fighter and had a big chance to run away from me, without me dealing the engagement damage.
More to it. You start blaming me for lag, but did not check your own before that. Please do that more in the future so you don't put blame on others.
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