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Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - St.Denis - 08-26-2019
GG-W-Saraswati has been sanctioned for:
Consequences:
Quote:4.3 Docking during combat with hostiles in docking message range (15k) counts as PvP Death, except for transports. If a player combat docks in a transport they may remain in the system for the sole purpose of trading only. They may not attack anyone unless in self defense. This restriction lasts for one hour.
3.6 Attacking without Roleplay. Players must be given reasonable time to react to hostilities.
4.4 Every char must have only one type of ID equipped and they must play to that ID. Ship and equipment infocards which specify their use on a specific ID or specific ship must only be used on that ID or ship. In all other cases where these restrictions and allowances conflict with the server rules, the ID overrides the rules except as described in 4.5
Consequences:
These are from 2 different encounters. The first encounter involved the first listed Rule. This Rule is self explanatory. The second encounter had you uncloak on a Trader and open fire without a word or demand.
As you appear to be relatively new, you will find your Ship in Bastille until you post here assuring us that you have read and understood the Server Rules.
As you appear to be relatively new, you will find your Ship in Bastille until you post here assuring us that you have read and understood the Server Rules.
If you require evidence, you may request such via PM from a Staff member. Only the accused or an official faction leader of the accused person's faction may request such. Once you have the evidence, and if you wish to dispute it, you may post in the Sanction Thread below. Do not continue PM'ing a staff member, as that will result in your Appeal being denied. If you PM a staff or post in the sanction thread and you are not directly involved, you are consenting to be subjected to the reprisal of my choice which may involve in game repercussions up to a ban. Blaming members of your immediate family, neighbors, friends, pets, and assorted Orcs, Trolls and any other legendary creatures may result in the use of GM Right #CTE 750AE
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - Kampanom - 08-26-2019
Acknowledged, and you may want to check your private messages.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - St.Denis - 08-26-2019
As requested, evidence sent.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - Kampanom - 08-26-2019
Do I get to dispute the evidence here?
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - St.Denis - 08-26-2019
Responded to your pm
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - Kampanom - 08-26-2019
Right, the evidence.
Let's start with the first batch:
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TritonAcknowledged, I guess I did undock twice within the span of a few minutes, though GRI-Triton also engaged once (the second time) without RPing either.
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[23.08.2019 12:07:58] NOTICE: Death charname=IDF|Seine killername=MRG|Pierre.Vaillant system=8f970c02
That was an instance of me attacking without RP, yes. Acknowledged. And now begins my confusion.
The first two messages are from a session with a friend, I don't know how are they evidence of something, and the rest are messages from a session that, while it did happen within the hour from when GRI-Triton "killed" me (actually, forced me to dock) they happened in Connecticut, which means outside of any RP environment. I don't think there's a breach of anything here.
And, finally, the last piece.
I don't know what am I breaching here. I stopped the freighter, told him that he couldn't carry the cargo, blued him.
This is the full conversation
[23.08.2019 13:17:32] GG-W-Saraswati: Stop for a moment, will you?
[23.08.2019 13:17:39] Tsufridn.von.Shokolade: Complying
[23.08.2019 13:17:54] GG-W-Saraswati: You just left Gaia. Were you carrying anyone?
[23.08.2019 13:18:09] GG-W-Saraswati: Did anyone snatch a ride on your ship?
[23.08.2019 13:18:39] Tsufridn.von.Shokolade: YEs sir. I was performing a humanitarian mission for refugees from leeds.
[23.08.2019 13:18:39] GG-W-Saraswati: Sir, this is important and I don't have time to waste.
[23.08.2019 13:18:56] GG-W-Saraswati: That's the wrong planet to bring refugees.
[23.08.2019 13:19:19] GG-W-Saraswati: You're just giving an imperialist force manpower and saving war criminals.
[23.08.2019 13:19:47] GG-W-Saraswati: You aren't leaving this system.
[23.08.2019 13:19:49] Tsufridn.von.Shokolade: I'm sorry. I am a nuetral party and doing my best all the persons on that doomed planet.
[23.08.2019 13:19:54] Death: Tsufridn.von.Shokolade was put out of action by GG-W-Saraswati (Gun).
extracted from my DSACE. Which rule have I broken here?
And I don't know how the last three messages are relevant to the encounter of 13:19. They refer to an entirely different encounter, with the ship La.Fuite, from which I escaped and I didn't relog from it, not within the hour.
Finally, there's a supposed breach of 4.4, supposedely that, quoting from the PM, I " 4.4 part is that you did not issue a demand to a Trade Ship as your ID requires you to".
We're forgetting a particular here, while I can ask demands from people, my GG ID also allows me to attack anyone within my ZOI (Edinburgh/Aquitaine being part of it, and being the location of all these episodes), and it was entirely my right to do so considering that these players carried cargo that could be considered contraband per the Exodus event.
Overall, I admit to having broken rule 3.6 a couple times and of having breached rule 4.3 in one instance, but I don't see how 4.4 was breached.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - St.Denis - 08-26-2019
When we receive a Violation Report, it generally consists of SSs. Sometimes it also contains portions taken from the person's DSACE Logs.
SSs are hard to 'doctor' but it has been attempted and some can be omitted to give a false account (which has also been done). Logs can be 'modified' or parts that give a clearer picture are not included.
When I look at a Violation Report, I use the Server Logs to look at what has been said. These I put in the Violation Report so that the others can see a clear picture and give, as best as they can, an accurate verdict. In your case, I showed that, at the time of the Violations, you said nothing. Those showed what you said on the particular days of the 2 Violations. So, when you asked for evidence, I sent them to show what you did/did not say (so you had a clear picture).
You were not Sanctioned for your encounter with Tsufridn.von.Shokolade. The Reports we received were for the GRI encounter and the IDF encounter.
Your ID states:
Note the parts I highlighted, especially the bold part.
The Event Rules state:
Now I can see the Gaians are included in this and it was certainly within your ZOI. But, once again, I will draw your attention to the highlight part. The pertinent words here are, 'demand cargo' and 'demanded'. With a silent attack, there would not have been a 'demand' and therefore an infraction of Rule 4.4 was carried out.
As for Tsufridn.von.Shokolade, we did not receive a Violation Report about it, but seeing as you were already being done for these offences, was there any point in adding it again?
I would also read up on your ID restrictions.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - Kampanom - 08-26-2019
Fair enough, then.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - Kampanom - 08-26-2019
I'm still in Bastille and I read the rules. I'd like to get out.
RE: Player Sanctioned: GG-W-Saraswati - St.Denis - 08-27-2019
Released