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(01-26-2013, 05:09 PM)SilverGuns Wrote: [ -> ]Funny your point of view... someone Player wants PVP the other Player dosnt want.. he kills you and YOU are forbidden to take your normal route to make your own "RP" funny how rules is all pirate sided.
Like those pirates who ask for money and you say "NO" and still typing and they kill you, now u must stick outside for 4 hours or waste money on other ship...
That's why most of people on server are pirates nuf said.

Regards, Have Fun

Don't assume RP is a one sided thing. It overlaps.
Your RP overlaps with the Pirate RP and both can affect each other.

If your RP is to refuse to pay the pirate, this affects the pirate's RP, thus leading him to nailing you into a coffin. Which in turn affects your RP where you can't enter the system because your ship is gone and you're floating in an escape pod.

Chain of causality, even applies in real life.

(01-29-2013, 12:23 PM)Knjaz Wrote: [ -> ]If he's a douche, tell him nicely to let you leave the system. If he refuses(ESPECIALLY if he's not letting you go anywhere from your respawn point), he' s in direct violation of 5.7. Screen your chat messages to that pirate, where you're nicely asking him to let you leave the system, and then try to do it 4-6 times in different directions.

That works too, if you're feeling evil and want to slap a few sanctions.
Actually, yeah. If he refuses to let you leave the system, slap them.

If you RP that you don't want to pay, it affects his RP, forcing him to nail you down into a coffin. This in turn impacts your RP in that you now don't have a ship and cannot enter said system because you are floating in an escape pod.

Going to try my best here to speak as a player, not as an administrator. Here goes.

The goal of the rule set, as complicated as it can be sometimes, is to merge storytelling interaction with action in a way that's as fair as possible to all the different players we have here. Although we have separate words for the concepts, player versus player and roleplay, on this server they are not mutually exclusive. One flows into and stems from the other, and each builds the other up.

This symbiotic relationship is a necessary thing on this server. We have stories to tell, be they for individual players, small groups and gangs, or whole militaries and corporations. The dynamics of these stories would be off balance and indemonstrable were either of the elements not present for any group of players. While, to an independent trader, it might feel as if the world is against them, to a pirate, he has to eke out a living feeding off of others. These base conflicts resonate through all of the groups on the server - trader gets pirated, police protect trader from being pirates, pirates increase presence to combat traders getting smarter, and so forth.

Part of the goal is to have PvP stem from roleplay, not be separate from it. In many cases, PvP is roleplay, or at least the logical course to follow or result thereof. Combat stems from conflict, and we need conflict to continue to drive our stories, be they in corporate warfare or competition, traders vs pirates, rival pirate gangs, militaries clashing, lawful defense of corporates against pirates, et cetera. It is the motivation provided to take our characters or factions in the directions they should or need to go.

Does it suck to get blown up with a hold full of cargo? Sure does. But as a pirate, if you didn't earn your paycheck, would you just let the guy who denied your dinner go peacefully? What sort of pirate is the guy who just lets a trader pass? A bit soft, eh? Wouldn't want it to get around that he was being soft, he'd never hear the end of it. Now, pirates aren't encouraged to be unnecessarily ruthless, because we still realize that there is another player just like us on the other side of the internet, but that's just one end to the endless possibilities that come from interaction. To counter them, as has been suggested, different routes can be taken, flying off the beaten path is a good one. Hiring an escort will do wonders if he knows what he's doing. And, of course, there's always the respawn button, should things not go your way.

Saying "I don't want to participate in PvP" on this server is the same as saying "I don't want to be responsible for the consequences of my actions". Sometimes consequences are a loss in credits, sometimes you get off scott free, and sometimes you're looking at a death screen. Sometimes you're supplying a base and building cool equipment, and sometimes the pirate ends dead. It all comes from that roleplay interaction.

Putting my admin hat back on and addressing something that's tangential to the original point of the thread, we have been talking about the 4 hour rule among the admins and what we can do to keep it from making such an impact on abilities to continue playing certain characters. We do feel that some sort of "respawn timer" is necessary to prevent revenge killing or making a mess of others' good time in a way that doesn't mesh with the roleplay mindset. Is four hours the best limit? Are there other ways we can go about restricting things? Maybe, and those are things that are in discussion. Things evolve and change as the need arises and the community evolves as well. Transport death was a direct response to both supply lines for PoBs and pirates in transports, and for the most part it's not been a failure, but there's always steps we can take to improve the conduit for keeping interaction reasonable.

Now, I get you have your opinions, but to play on this server, this is how things go. If that's not something you feel is a good fit for you, then there might be other servers out there better suited to meet your needs as a player. On the other hand, if the rules we've put in place aren't being followed and you've ended up with a rough time because of it, please do make use of the print screen button and submit us a report about it. We can't deal with incidents we don't know about, and we can't be everywhere at once, so it's your responsibility to convey to us that information. We're not likely to segregate roleplay from PvP any time soon in the general server space (Conn being the exception, of course), but just as the rules are there to provide balance against you, they do permit you some protection so that you end up with an avenue to take in the pursuit of a fun experience.

Quote:Saying "I don't want to participate in PvP" on this server is the same as saying "I don't want to be responsible for the consequences of my actions"

Congrats you actually said that its a PvP server. you sir are part of the admin team that is killing the RP of the RP server you must be proud of your self

lets add a rule

1,1,1 admins must follow rp rules and make sure that RP are used here

(01-29-2013, 05:27 PM)roadrunner Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats you actually said that its a PvP server. you sir are part of the admin team that is killing the RP of the RP server you must be proud of your self

lets add a rule

1,1,1 admins must follow rp rules and make sure that RP are used here

Ignorance is bliss they say...

Enjoy your bliss.

Veygaar nope i am not ignorent

but its a RP server, and yes i know that you and your gang likes to PVP

sorry if you and others dosent like real RP`ers then it is your loss

Hello to all who TRY to awser my questiom and defend some arguments from each other but one thing remains and it is the 4 hour out off the system .

I have read all of the posts and one thing came up it is the cause of piracy if the rp rules are for all why many pirates dont use in fact some of them use insult for the role play like CUT YOUR ENGINES PIG STOP OR I KILL YOU GIVE ME 5 MIL YOU DOG STUPID they use a good words for RP and btw i take screen shoots make reports for nothing they are keeping saying the same AWSOME .

And RoadRunner thx to put the admin in is place and sry ADMIN but you give i good explicacion for me but you fail in some sentences.

UPS.

I forgot to say the PVP for me happen before the ROLEPLAY becouse if the other player use an missle disrruptor ON ME I TRY TO DEFENCE MYSELF FROM THE MISSLE I USE THE COUNTERMASURE SO FOR ME THIS SERVER ACTUALY IS AN PVP SERVER NOT AN RP SERVER SO EXPLAIN TO ME THIS FACT I USE IN MY POST.

Hi all, i migh agree with some of what PTFox said and roadrunner too, well doing your RP and if you die while doing RP, ok no big deal, but after you die you have a "PvP sentence" on you prohibing you to go that zone is ALOT.

I read what Gheis said and he got point in some aspects, but lets see things with "good eyes", From my many years of mmorpgs, fps, mmorts, and so on and so on, the word "PVP" is a player Vs Player true, but if you play on a server is there only 2 People IF you got the option to make a Duel that is a true PvP right ?
So lets see things, this is not the first time someone reminds to make a post about PvP's, this is a neverending story... so basicly on several games you got PvP Counter and PK Counter, what both does, PvP Counter = gives you honor exp, or somekind of beneficts... PK Counter = Gives you all what is bad... karma, exp loss, money loss, equip loss etc etc...
In this server is a RP-PvP, well while you doing RP he attacks you wiith a disruptor to stop you, you dont demand what he wants "imagine you donthave cargo" he kills you, what he gains from that? what he lose with that ? what kinda of "karma" he gets ? NONE... so basicly you are the loser guy, you lose TIME to make that route and need to spend more time to re-arrange other route to spend even more time to carry on with your RP. If you make a PvP, you dont lose anything and dont get anything from it.

(01-29-2013, 05:27 PM)roadrunner Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Saying "I don't want to participate in PvP" on this server is the same as saying "I don't want to be responsible for the consequences of my actions"

Congrats you actually said that its a PvP server. you sir are part of the admin team that is killing the RP of the RP server you must be proud of your self

lets add a rule

1,1,1 admins must follow rp rules and make sure that RP are used here

Dude, it’s a PVP/RP server… that wasn’t a secret to anyone, really.

What people don’t seem to understand is when a server is designated as “PvP” it does not simply means that it HAS PvP available to players, but that players can be FORCED to engage in PvP even if they don’t want too… if that is the case they shouldn’t even be playing in that server.

Now I do understand that this server is simply defined by a “RP” server, but I also understand that PvP has always been part of Freelancer multiplayer, unless the server forbids PvP via rules or server changes to deny players damage to other players, you should ALWAYS count on PvP.

Now what is happening here is that you CAN PvP (engage other players in a hostile way), IF you follow the RP rules. Therefore, yes, he said that it’s a PvP server, so what? PvP does not “kill” RP, they can both work out just fine (Feel free to take a look at WoW) IF done properly with the right rules to regulate it…

With is where the REAL problem is here, I, as many others around here, find the rules a bit excessive, especially when there is NOTHING to keep a balance between the existing factions, I can assure you that there are way more “bad guys” then “good guys” and that many of these “bad guys” actually have multiple “bad characters” in their accounts, allowing them to bypass some of these rules without ever going through the risk of being reported, since there is no real way to do so… as that wasn’t enough, most of people punished by these rules are the ones who end up by getting kill’d by these “bad characters”.

It’s simply not fair a player who enjoys trading to buy his ore from another players, be forced to pay 15M (5M to each pirate of the group) to a freaking tax to avoid losing his ore that he just had paid for, to later on find yet another group of pirates that blow him up for refusing to pay anymore to pirates, has this wasn’t enough, the players now can’t access that system for 4 bloody hours! Or else he will face a ban or to be forced to pay a fine. Sounds crazy right? But this is the kind of shit that is actually happening in the server, seen it for myself.

Limits for the pirate tax’s must be established, nothing, X, Y or Z depending on the player rank and for freaking sake stop punishing the gameplay of those who already got punished … it’s enough that the player already died, lost all his cargo, lost the time he invested doing that route and probably spawned in some shithole in the other side of the galaxy, cut the guy some slack… allow him to use the system as much as he wants to for X time without being able to be engaged by the same pirate who just had attacked him, allowing the pirate to try to tax him again after that X time, wouldn’t that be a little more fair for both sides?