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RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Ravenna Nagash - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 12:20 AM)Couden Wrote: What's the lore of some corsairs have a right to mine and others cannot? Still you cannot attack or demand to your amigo to stop or drop some Relics.
OFs can give orders to indies, no? I don't think DTR has ever actually ordered an indie to do anything in the span of 2 years but that's one of the few remaining actual and extremely negligible positives of being an OF. Other than perks and being able to do the above, there's no really any other incentives to stay an OF (but that's another story entirely as the OF system actually penalizes active groups).
(11-26-2023, 11:05 AM)Czechmate Wrote: the laws seem well written, they are just a RP guide anyways.
This pretty much. Corsairs ID line is more powerful than any actual ''laws''. They are just guidelines, nothing more, RP fluff.
(11-26-2023, 11:22 AM)Deucalion Wrote: don't mine or get killed and fr5 by an official corsair faction, isn't that just crazy ??
How do you propose one actually RP or protect their gameplay from someone just making a spare Corsair alt bypassing the whole system? I am genuinely curious.
(11-26-2023, 10:41 AM)Demonic Wrote: Simply put, as long as the price of Xeno Relics will be three times as high as the other most expensive resource, people will rather go through the effort to go behind your back on this.
XR aren't as easily mined as they used to be and are much more of a time-sink. You could also do some trade negotiations, RP it out, just like you did with us not long ago and got yourself a trading permit.
https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=198708&pid=2305164#pid2305164 - for example.
If anyone needs Relics, they are more than welcome to RP and negotiate. DTR has sold and mined XRs for people for 2 years now.
(11-25-2023, 11:41 PM)Yazov Wrote: unquestioned monopoly over a certain commodity
It's also in our self-interest that the spice Xeno Relics must flow.
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Aingar - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 12:22 PM)Steven.Hiller Wrote: [...] and we all know how meny devs sit in DTR [...]
Yes, a grand total of one: myself. Who also had zero input regarding recipes using relics, as well as placement of relics in the game world post removal of Xi. I only provided code to handle refineries, actual recipes design and placement of commodities sellpoints was handled by systems/econ devs.
Also, Relics are mineable by no less than FOUR factions: Core, Corsairs, Order and Outcasts, they are more than welcome to in-game challenge the DTRs supposed monopoly. It's a space shooter game, if you don't like a certain group staking claim somewhere, you can go and shoot them to prove them wrong, just like Mollys did to the DTR base in Dublin a few weeks ago.
We can do without accusations of bias where there is none, however. Thanks.
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Czechmate - 11-26-2023
@Aingar they are worried about indies not being able to mine i.e. Corsair indies - but laws are just RP fluff, you can't pirate your own IDs, they are panicking for nothing hah. If people use Corsair Alts to mine relics it doesn't matter what laws say - you can't pirate your own ID doing what they are supposed to do
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Haste - 11-26-2023
Freighters are pretty survivable. Log in a handful of them, mine relics, see if DTR can actually do anything about it. I'm pretty sure you have a few seconds of jumphole immunity nowadays so parking a few caps somewhere isn't going to cut it.
Encourage any of the local factions to try their hand at breaking up the monopoly. Surely the Order wouldn't like Corsairs trying to enforce a monopoly on extremely dangerous alien artifacts? Maybe they'll do something about it. There's also Outcasts and the Core.
Stop trying to win your conflicts on the forums and win them in-game instead.
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Couden - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 12:45 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote: OFs can give orders to indies, no? I don't think DTR has ever actually ordered an indie to do anything in the span of 2 years but that's one of the few remaining actual and extremely negligible positives of being an OF. Other than perks and being able to do the above, there's no really any other incentives to stay an OF (but that's another story entirely as the OF system actually penalizes active groups).
As Faction RIGHT 1 says
Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction, however, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and second in command(s) of the faction. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Your Relic blocade is not canon event, hence cannot be forced. Also one post with announcement isn't enough to tell your amigos why they suddently cannot mine relics there. And also you cannot bounty your own id (Just to remind you) and Players still can ignore your silly demands to stop, because you cannot pirate your own id as well, I believe.
And for Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided, you have also need to tell your amigos why you want to blow us a Miguel because his poor life was chosen to mine them to Elders or *insert RP Reason for Corsairs benefits here*
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Czechmate - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 12:45 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote: OFs can give orders to indies, no? I don't think DTR has ever actually ordered an indie to do anything in the span of 2 years but that's one of the few remaining actual and extremely negligible positives of being an OF. Other than perks and being able to do the above, there's no really any other incentives to stay an OF (but that's another story entirely as the OF system actually penalizes active groups).No, you cannot order Corsairs to not handle relics as an OF, you'd get sanctioned very fast for that if you start shooting them when they refuse - it's what they are supposed to do hah. It's the same in Gallia - there are licenses handed out where you need "law enforcement escort and permission on-site" to enter certain areas and for certain factions. People get to just make lawful alts as part of their convoys and circumvent that. And that's all right.
If people make alts to fill their PoBs, you get to go after the non-corsair ships they use later pretty much.
OFs going after their own indies would be a very slippery abusable slope, especially if it's something in lore like Corsairs handling relics
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Ravenna Nagash - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 01:14 PM)Czechmate Wrote: No, you cannot order Corsairs to not handle relics as an OF, you'd get sanctioned very fast for that if you start shooting them when they refuse - it's what they are supposed to do hah.
Obviously, I meant in the sense of doing something questionable, not handling relics.
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Czechmate - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 01:24 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote:That's really just extreme examples. "Questionable" wouldn't cut it, they'd have to do something outright hostile, and even then you should FR5 first after proper roleplay. The only one allowed by staff I remember was the LR- vs [R] turf war that was pre-agreed with admins and the players...it lasted two fights probably.(11-26-2023, 01:14 PM)Czechmate Wrote: No, you cannot order Corsairs to not handle relics as an OF, you'd get sanctioned very fast for that if you start shooting them when they refuse - it's what they are supposed to do hah.
Obviously, I meant in the sense of doing something questionable, not handling relics.
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Ashyur - 11-26-2023
surely this is one example out of many as I've seen people talk on discord ,we started to talk about DTR killing corsair because they mine relics/don't buy from their pobs, which is 10x normal price of refined HRC(while not being one)
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Spoileryet, I only see people offering solution to play on other factions, instead of actually discussing about DTR killing corsairs
RE: Reworked Corsair Laws feedback - Czechmate - 11-26-2023
(11-26-2023, 01:32 PM)Deucalion Wrote: surely this is one example out of many as I've seen people talk on discord ,we started to talk about DTR killing corsair because they mine relics/don't buy from their pobs, which is 10x normal price of refined HRC(while not being one)They can RP like this no problem, shooting him is against the rules though if he had corsair ID
yet, I only see people offering solution to play on other factions, instead of actually discussing about DTR killing corsairs