I was going back through some of the POB Attack Declarations and it seems that a lot of them use talking to yourself as a justification for an attack.
GIven that this is an RP server, doesn't that seem a little thin? I mean, if you're gonna sit in the back room and mutter to yourself about how awful someone is, fine, but using that as your justification to siege/destroy their POB just seems... weak.
Would it not make sense to require some justification that includes the owners of the base, or at least a shows a reasonable attempt?
Would make sense.
It's a bit like in the FR5 requests where you have to give "proof that roleplay happened".
Talking to yourself would not suffice there either.
I think you have a point there, Chance.
It should be "interaction" roleplay.
Before you attack someone, talk to him. I like that thought.
Can't help but think this has something to do with a recent post of mine, so here is proof of interaction between the two groups. Subsequent communication seemingly has been purposely avoided as far as I can tell.
[18.05.2015 11:46:07] Hana.Ken: Konnichiwa, Aegyssuss-san *bows*. I couldn't help but notice your little operation here... mind if we have a chat?
[18.05.2015 11:46:16] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Not at all
[18.05.2015 11:46:31] Hana.Ken: *gently smiles* I thank you for your patience. It is most refreshing
[18.05.2015 11:47:06] Hana.Ken: It seems P-Tech has grown in recent years... I wish to investigate it's motives... who you are... what you do exactly...
[18.05.2015 11:48:34] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Well... we are a company specialised in both mining operations of Helium-3 and also Technology Development
[18.05.2015 11:48:56] Hana.Ken: *raises an eyebrow* Technology development? Of what kind?
[18.05.2015 11:49:08] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: We are still young as a company but we hope to develop ourselfes for the good of all people who need us... whatever the faction
[18.05.2015 11:49:47] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: We hope that as we grow .. in time... to be able to develop special devices such as Cloaking devices and Jump Drive technology
[18.05.2015 11:50:12] Hana.Ken: *smiles* That's quite experimental technology... wuite the investment I would imagine...
[18.05.2015 11:50:15] Hana.Ken: //*quite
[18.05.2015 11:50:38] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: It will cost a lot I know... that is why we are trying to gain money by investing in mining technology
[18.05.2015 11:51:06] Hana.Ken: *nods* Well... you've got business sense... but let's find out if you have a pure soul... hmm...
[18.05.2015 11:51:13] Hana.Ken: Who do you supply?
[18.05.2015 11:51:56] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: For now we are not openned... at the momment we are trying to develop a Cargo Module to store the mined Helium-3
[18.05.2015 11:52:05] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: and after that we will open the market for Helium-3
[18.05.2015 11:52:23] Hana.Ken: Ok, who will you be selling the H-3 too? *suspicious look*
[18.05.2015 11:53:11] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: We will sell the Helium-3 to the people interested in buying it... Our target is to gain as much money as we can to start
[18.05.2015 11:53:17] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: the researches
[18.05.2015 11:54:05] Hana.Ken: hmm... I must say... this operation of yours perturbs me a little... but you are a company I have not seen before.
[18.05.2015 11:54:11] Hana.Ken: Perhaps you have promise where others have failed.
[18.05.2015 11:54:31] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: I hope we will have success... for the better good of all
[18.05.2015 11:54:42] Hana.Ken: *chuckles* The better good... quite...
[18.05.2015 11:55:10] Hana.Ken: Well, let me tell you what I'm about, so that you know what is happening here *stern look*
[18.05.2015 11:55:28] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Okay.. i'm all ears
[18.05.2015 11:55:47] Hana.Ken: I am of the Sisterhood of Dreams... a Sisterhood which will eradicate corruption from humanity, and unite us all under-
[18.05.2015 11:55:55] Hana.Ken: the harmony of the Matriarchy.
[18.05.2015 11:56:24] Hana.Ken: What happens next depends on where you fit into that, Aegyssuss-san.
[18.05.2015 11:56:25] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: I'm fascinated
[18.05.2015 11:57:08] Hana.Ken: I have a proposition for you.
[18.05.2015 11:57:18] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Well I do fit with that ideology of yours... Because that is what i am trying to do here.
[18.05.2015 11:57:42] Hana.Ken: Is it? *raises eyebrow* You seek to spread the Matriarchy?
[18.05.2015 11:57:45] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: To develop technologies for the good of all people..so not only the corrupted police or military shall have them
[18.05.2015 11:58:49] Hana.Ken: hmm... *frowns* The corruption spreads beyond military and police... it lies in all of us. Until we are united with the-
[18.05.2015 11:59:00] Hana.Ken: Matriarchy, it shall be there. Destroying. Exploiting.
[18.05.2015 11:59:58] Hana.Ken: Despite your clientelle... your motives yourself are.... commendable at least.
[18.05.2015 12:00:49] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Thank you sir !
[18.05.2015 12:01:14] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: So, what is your proposal?
[18.05.2015 12:01:28] Hana.Ken: It's Maam. and yes... the proposition *gently smiles*
[18.05.2015 12:02:02] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: I'm sorry Maam. Please accept my appologies.
[18.05.2015 12:02:59] Hana.Ken: Your motives at least seem... reasonable... yet your methods I do not abide by. I'd hate to have to resort to violence to-
[18.05.2015 12:03:08] Hana.Ken: absolve this...issue.
[18.05.2015 12:03:59] Hana.Ken: So, how about a deal similar to that with those of the GMG. You contribute some funds on a regular basis...
[18.05.2015 12:04:05] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: We are peacefull people. It is not our wish to engage in pointless battles
[18.05.2015 12:04:28] Hana.Ken: off the books of course... and P-Tech gets to go on operating as normal. Thoughts, Aegyssuss-san?
[18.05.2015 12:04:42] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Sounds fair.
[18.05.2015 12:05:09] Hana.Ken: *bows* You are indeed a reasonable man, and I'm glad you understand the situation.
[18.05.2015 12:05:22] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: We will do whatever is possible to be in good relations.
[18.05.2015 12:05:29] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: And also
[18.05.2015 12:05:57] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: I really respect what you are trying to do.
[18.05.2015 12:06:12] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: So by all means we accept your proposition.
[18.05.2015 12:06:20] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: What will be the amount and the period?
[18.05.2015 12:06:32] Hana.Ken: *smiles widely* You surprise me, Aegyssuss -san...
[18.05.2015 12:07:03] Hana.Ken: Would be be unreasonable to ask for... say... 5mil per weekly period? *curious look*
[18.05.2015 12:07:35] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: It's acceptable ! We have a deal .
[18.05.2015 12:08:00] Hana.Ken: *bows deeply* You are indeed with an honour. I'm glad we could come to an understanding.
[18.05.2015 12:08:03] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: So... every week I will send in your account 5 mils and send you an e-mail of confirmation.
[18.05.2015 12:08:19] Hana.Ken: Hai, that would be most satisfactory.
[18.05.2015 12:08:21] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: And I would prefer if you let me an e-mail to confirm that you recieved the payment
[18.05.2015 12:08:31] Hana.Ken: //are you on forums?
[18.05.2015 12:08:49] Hana.Ken: Of course, it would be only fair to reciprocate.
[18.05.2015 12:09:11] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: //not yet... we just started playing... I am working on developing the station some more and then make it official
[18.05.2015 12:09:41] Hana.Ken: //I'd get on there quickly, especially with a PoB. That way, we can communicate via forum post. RP there-
[18.05.2015 12:09:48] Hana.Ken: //will help you expand the base later on.
[18.05.2015 12:10:24] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: // you are right... i will work to post the station on forums
[18.05.2015 12:10:40] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: // thank you for the advice
[18.05.2015 12:10:57] Hana.Ken: //it's not a problem. Btw, the forum inrp is known as the neuralnet
[18.05.2015 12:11:11] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: oh and you are one of few people i've met since i started with a very good role-playing ability... i really appreciate that
[18.05.2015 12:11:38] Hana.Ken: So... I shall send you a summary of this agreement on the neuralnet to you... I hope you respond and pay your tribute-
[18.05.2015 12:11:49] Hana.Ken: on time.... who knows what could happen otherwise *chuckles*
[18.05.2015 12:12:12] Hana.Ken: //thank you. You too XD
[18.05.2015 12:12:18] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: So, maam, if you don't mind, I will dock right now on the base to access the bank account and send you the first payment.
[18.05.2015 12:12:29] Hana.Ken: *smiles* That would be most pleasing.
[18.05.2015 12:12:40] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: Of course !
[18.05.2015 12:13:04] |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: I wish you a good day maam. And may our understanding last for ever.
[18.05.2015 12:13:11] 2015-05-18 12:13:17 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Aegyssuss has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 12:13:55] You have received 5.000.000 credits from |P-Tech|Aegyssuss
[18.05.2015 12:14:38] Hana.Ken: **Static** I'm glad you honour our agreement. I hope your honour will lead to it's continuation.
[18.05.2015 12:14:51] Hana.Ken: Until next time *gentle smile and bow*
[18.05.2015 12:18:39] 2015-05-18 12:18:44 SMT Traffic control alert: Hana.Ken has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 12:19:13] Shutdown[18.05.2015 13:58:20] Initialising
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[18.05.2015 13:59:27] #01 2015-05-18 12:20:35 SMT |P-Tech|Aegyssuss: The first payment of 5mil credits was sent to your bank account. Please send a confirmation of recieving. Regards
[18.05.2015 14:01:25] /privatemsg |p-tech|aegyssuss i have received your tribute, domo arigato *bows* i look forward to our next encounter.
[18.05.2015 14:01:25] OK message saved to mailbox
[18.05.2015 14:08:06] Hana.Ken: Konnichiwa, P-Tech. Thought I'd pop by... say hello...
[18.05.2015 14:08:19] |P-Tech|Alkon: Hello
[18.05.2015 14:08:26] |P-Tech|Watzir: Hello
[18.05.2015 14:08:26] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Hello Maam !
[18.05.2015 14:08:27] |P-Tech|Krezz: hello
[18.05.2015 14:08:31] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Welcome back to our place !
[18.05.2015 14:08:32] Hana.Ken: Hai... a fair number of you! *smiles*
[18.05.2015 14:09:01] Hana.Ken: *bows* It's a pleasure. *gentle smile*
[18.05.2015 14:09:33] 2015-05-18 14:09:38 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Krezz has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:10:05] 2015-05-18 14:10:10 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Alkon has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:10:44] Hana.Ken: I have sent you our agreement via neuralnet...Aegyssuss *gently smiles* ...
[18.05.2015 14:11:01] Hana.Ken: I see one of your transports is a Universal pilot? *raises an eyebrow*
[18.05.2015 14:11:11] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Thank you ! I will read it with interest and atention !
[18.05.2015 14:12:00] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Well yes. Do you have a problem with Universals?
[18.05.2015 14:12:26] Hana.Ken: I just wonder if you had some kind of agreement with them perhaps... one can't be too careful.
[18.05.2015 14:12:39] |P-Tech|Krezz: we dont have any agreement with them
[18.05.2015 14:12:54] |P-Tech|Krezz: im the only one with the universsal
[18.05.2015 14:12:54] Hana.Ken: *nods and the frown turns to a smile*
[18.05.2015 14:13:24] |P-Tech|Miner-1: He has agreed to help us by his own wish. Not as a part of universal.
[18.05.2015 14:14:00] Hana.Ken: Hai... hai... *bows* apologies for my touchiness...
[18.05.2015 14:14:21] Hana.Ken: Kusarian puppetmasters have strings everywhere... you're a new sight to see.
[18.05.2015 14:14:26] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Not to worry. It is normal to be suspicios as long as we have an agreement
[18.05.2015 14:14:35] Hana.Ken: Hai, indeed *grins*
[18.05.2015 14:15:53] |P-Tech|Miner-1: Yes i have. I will add you as soon as I finish the job here
[18.05.2015 14:17:23] 2015-05-18 14:17:28 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Miner-1 has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:17:24] 2015-05-18 14:17:30 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Miner-1 has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:17:29] 2015-05-18 14:17:35 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Watzir has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:17:31] 2015-05-18 14:17:37 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Alkon has requested to dock
[18.05.2015 14:17:37] Hana.Ken: So... are you other P-Tech pilots as noble as Aegyssuss?
[18.05.2015 14:17:53] Hana.Ken: He comes across well... *grins*
[18.05.2015 14:17:55] |P-Tech|Krezz: we have all the same ideology
[18.05.2015 14:18:13] Hana.Ken: *suspicious look* Which is?
[18.05.2015 14:18:19] |P-Tech|Krezz: so to answear you question ...... yes
[18.05.2015 14:18:52] |P-Tech|Krezz: aegyssuss speak in the name of all
[18.05.2015 14:19:08] Hana.Ken: hmm *nods* Very well
[18.05.2015 14:21:19] Hana.Ken: Right, I have business to tend to elsewhere... much corruption to purge. Take care *chuckles*
[18.05.2015 14:21:48] 2015-05-18 14:21:53 SMT Traffic control alert: |P-Tech|Alkon has requested to dock
I agree with your statements, yet it opens an avenue for players to simply ignore communications in order to defend their base.
Usually if admins see some thinly veiled metagaming POB attack, they will deal to it. Unfortunately the scale of maturity here is a broad one with extremes at both ends.
Hana Ken, I will admit that your recent declaration inspired my post, but I did look at the time frames involved, which is why I included the reasonable attempt comment.
On the other hand, if you go back through that thread, you will find several posts where the "proof" is someone saying something to the effect of, You're blocking our sunlight and your base is ugly. We must DESTROY you!!!11!!!
Should the attackers be really unable to siege a base as long as the forum roleplay is unilateral? Sure, there is a threat of destruction of my PoB in my mailbox, I think I'll just ingore it, best way of protection. Sounds OP to me.
(05-30-2015, 11:41 PM)Chance Wrote: I was going back through some of the POB Attack Declarations and it seems that a lot of them use talking to yourself as a justification for an attack.
GIven that this is an RP server, doesn't that seem a little thin? I mean, if you're gonna sit in the back room and mutter to yourself about how awful someone is, fine, but using that as your justification to siege/destroy their POB just seems... weak.
Would it not make sense to require some justification that includes the owners of the base, or at least a shows a reasonable attempt?
Reasonable attempt (like giving around a week+ for response) yeah sure. but i think thats as far as you could get it, because any thought of requiring both sides would be ill-advised for the reasons pointed out by other posters.