Rule 1.0

[Garrett Jax]

Just read the ban players thread. Not going to throw gasoline on the fire here. The admins made a judgement call and they have the authority to do so.

I do have a couple sincere questions, however. First, was there any warning given to these players prior to them getting banned? It appears from the outside looking in, that this announcement came as an unexpected shock to many of them as well as to the community in general. From my limited perspective, it seems that the players should at least have had some inkling that the hit was going to come. Or, at least they could be directed to some specific reasons as to why their gameplay was harmful.

Is the process for implementing Rule 1.0 no longer a thing anymore? Remember the thing we voted on as a staff and approved? I didn't see an announcement stating that the process was revoked. The players I spoke to claim to not have been spoken to by the staff about any concerns you might have had with them. If you did speak to them, were they aware that they were in danger of being banned?

Some of the players that were banned were very close to getting promoted as Moderator when I left, they were passing the vote during the time I left as Green. Did their conduct deteriorate so much during this short period of time so as to warrant an indefinite ban?

Again, I'm not trying to blast the staff here, and I am definitely not privy to all you guys have to deal with, however, I think you guys could do yourselves a tremendous favor by being much more forthcoming toward the Community prior to making what appears to some as heavy handed decisions directed at Disco's contributing members.

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[Omicron]

I can imagine it was heavy decision and the blame will be hard for them to bear. However all things considered, in specific cases someone had to do it.

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[Danny-boy]

I can imagine it was heavy decision and the blame will be hard for them to bear. However all things considered, in specific cases someone had to do it.

What things exactly? Also did it really have to be done? Could the admins not have tried talking to the people in question about this before they were banned? Ofc I'm not in a position to know whether or not the people in question were actually talked to regarding this etc. However from what I can gather from TS some of the people in question didn't even know why they were being banned until after they were actually banned. If its true seems a little silly, no?

[Wildkins]

I agree wholeheartedly. Rule 1.0 was a great rule to have, but it had very specific safeguards and procedures that allowed it to be fair and balanced in its execution; however, those procedures have seemingly been abandoned by the admin team with the new rule change, while keeping the actual ability to ban individuals for general toxic behavior under the clause of safeguarding the community.

Personally, I disagree. It's unfair to community members, especially some of the ones banned so far, to have such a devastating action occur with little to no warning prior, especially not in any official capacity.

It's also important to mention that the same rule change that seemingly invalidated this rule also had another very important clause written in:

What that means though, is everyone is given a clean slate from here on out. Your actions will prove how clean that slate will remain, as well as how long you remain part of this community.

It is striking to me how these individuals have seemingly managed to do so much that was harmful to the server community, yet unspecific enough to warrant the usage of enumerated rules, within the time span of a few weeks.

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RP Feedback

[Operator]

Did I really wrote that? Damn. Sorry, had to go to bed instead of cybering for 20 hours.

[Wesker]

What did meph, Lyth, and Impy do that was Toxic?

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[Laxxy]

The recent bans are unjustified and were followed out with improper 1.0 procedure.

If you thought these players were problems then you shouldve discussed their behavior with them and told them how they can reform themselves before perma-banning them.

What is the justification for banning someone for "bullying" other players? Am I going to get banned for iRP blackmailing BMF? If so, it would be nice if the staff contacts me first and warns me to stop so I know.

[Wildkins]

Well, let's imagine if they would had received a warning. Some of them (like Lyth, Meph ans Swifty) would be really upset, their toxic behavior would grow more and more and eventually they'll end up permabanned, like now. Now, I understand it's quite hard decision, but getting them banned immediatelly is just preventing more problems.

That is a very blanket statement, and a dangerous one. You cannot assume that certain members of the community would just "ignore" a warning - I'm sure that some of them would, but tossing away a rule that was put into effect by nearly the same admin team for the purposes of expediting what is an incredibly powerful ability seems irresponsible, or at least misguided. I don't wish to judge the actions of the admin team, and I'm sure they're working with the utmost of good intentions - working with them as proven that to me in many cases - but I personally believe that this is not the right course of action to enact proper change in the community. A blanket ban, seemingly out of nowhere for some, that contradicts previous green statements about the progression of infractions and with very little in terms of description or other notification of this impending punishment seems uncharacteristic for this community, and dangerous for the overall health of the server and its playerbase.

As a side note, it's very difficult to determine what greentext is still applicable, and what is not. Sometime in the future, after all of this is settled, it may be prudent for the admin team to sit down, browsing the community-compiled admin greentext and recently made announcements, to ensure that the entire community is clear on what is and what isn't in effect anymore - or perhaps even a simple announcement that none of it is, although this would definitely need to have some appropriate adjustment in the rules. The grey area surrounding the rules is only leading to more harm than good, and may lead to further complications down the road, especially with new players.

[Omi]

Well, let's imagine if they would had received a warning. Some of them (like Lyth, Meph ans Swifty) would be really upset, their toxic behavior would grow more and more and eventually they'll end up permabanned, like now. Now, I understand it's quite hard decision, but getting them banned immediatelly is just preventing more problems.

This all is just an another reminder that we all have to be polite to each other if we want to play in the same sandbox. Toxic members are always a problem, sad thing is nobody can change them but themselves. If they won't be polite to the others, they're just getting kicked or banned. Then they have enough time to think about their own behavior, getting more polite, less toxic, starting to respect the others and etc. If they want to, of course.

You have been here for a long time, Garret, and you know how do they act. You have to agree that such behavior won't be welcomed in our community.

The community doesn't need sanctimonious little bleaters like you, either. Your post couldn't be any more sycophantic if it were coated in sugar.

Do you honestly agree with banning people without explanation or warning? At least when I got permad, I knew full well what was coming - but you cannot honestly, seriously be stupid enough or enough of a brownnoser to actually agree with banning people in that sort of manner. You can simply not care - there's no law against that - but the idea that you'd actually support a position of 'we should ban them now, immediately, without warning, because it'll save work down the line'. Get a grip.

I'd go so far to say that each and every one of the people banned was more of a server asset than you could ever aspire to be - the kind of person who unironically roleplays their ship destruction as a "holocram dissappearing".

Do us all a favour and take your holier-than-thou attitude elsewhere.

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[Omi]

As to the actual matter at hand, I have more than enough stuff to say and less than enough motivation to bother doing it. Why bother, anyway - I don't need to hear a chorus of voices telling me I'm right when the people that have the power to change things have proven time and time again they don't give a sh.it what I think.

I wonder if any of the staff involved in banning @Karst in particular took the time to think what he's been through in his recent months trying his hardest to contribute here - the man literally devoted hours and hours of his time to trying to improve the terribly, woefully flawed mining system that @LordVipex pushed out, was repeatedly and constantly ignored - and then, somehow, managed to "prove himself harmful to the community - SO harmful to the community, in fact, that it warranted an out-of-the-blue, straight up permanent ban. (???)

It's already common knowledge that I'd rather entrust the running of this server to a nursery school and my cat than any of the current staff - in fact, I've met primary school children who have less sensitive feelings. For all their whinging about constantly feeling bullied/unappreciated/otherwise unhappy doing their work here, they sure do make a good job of sticking around, holding to their old ways and refusing to either wise up or piss off. Maybe they're all masochistic and secretly enjoy the pain?

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