Listen, when you make claims, make sure you can back them up without shtting around. It really seems you are just butthurt because somebody was clever enough to sneak up on you in public space using a cloak.
You complain about nobody answering Omi, on a topic that has literally nothing to do with the OP.
Title Wrote:Enforcement of Roleplay Consequences and cloaks
You have complained about Petitioner not answering a Dev question.
(12-23-2016, 01:34 AM)Divine Wrote: //Edit: I also like how you just posted something instead of answering the one question aimed at the dev-team. Way to go. Good job.
Now I asked you a question, and you rather gave a passive-aggressive answer that said literally nothing instead of answering a question. Double standards?
Did you read the NC lore? Can't you answer the question? Why would you think the current NC is weaker than the old 101st? Explain me. And explain me the relevance of that statement in the entire topic.
What exactly do you consider an ooRP tool? Tell me. The cloak definitely isn't ooRP. Either stop making things up or back up what you claim, because everything else is just toxic behavior.
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(12-23-2016, 08:49 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Like, that character can watch something but a magical barrier prevents it from sharing that data? Do you imply the roleplay character would have to be like "Oh no, I'm flying the wrong ship, so I can't take photos or record the audio, damn it! I should switch my ship and come back later!"?
That's stupid, and that would be exactly one of that kind of "Verschlimmbesserung" that I'd want to prevent, desperately. The roleplay character that got the information is still the same character, and it required that character to share this information with the leading member of the NC anyway.
Actually, you'll find Grumblesaur wasn't disagreeing with any of that, though he did phrase it in such a way as to indicate he might have been - chalk that up to not 100% understanding the situation. Check this part of his post:
(12-23-2016, 02:08 AM)Grumblesaur Wrote: If the method of transmission in-character does not exist or should not under normal circumstances be enough to sway the necessary parts of the command structure of a faction, then whatever collected data exists is patently useless.
At the very least, a record of such transaction of information should be made evident in a roleplay thread of some variety, if for nothing else but as a cite-able source.
Basically,
(12-23-2016, 09:45 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: [if] the information itself would only be in Oracle hand and would need _one_ additional comm than before that shows how the Oracle information makes it's way into NC's hand
This is all that Grumblesaur was trying to say should happen. "One additional comm", to demonstrate for curious bystanders (of which, I'm sure all parties have learned, there are many), and to cite as additional roleplay (something I don't think anyone here wants to argue is actually a bad thing) for the FR5. Think of it this way; if I'm an off-duty cop, but see strong evidence, out in the open and in the public view, of a crime having been committed, and I take notes and pictures, I'd likely go file a report at the police station before investigating rather than just immediately jumping into my suit and arresting folks willy-nilly.
All that Grumblesaur was trying to say should have happened is that one extra comm you referred to, and I find myself inclined to agree with him; I don't think that expectation's exactly unreasonable.
(Side note, Verschlimmbesserung was always one of my favorite German words. Thank you for reminding me of its existence ;3)
(12-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Divine Wrote: InRP, the NC doesn't rule all Maltese, that's something the NC made up, ignoring all previous RP bc they can
I fully admit to not having exactly followed NC's roleplay closely since my departure from the faction some time ago, but unless something has drastically changed, you're overexaggerating; the very idea of the National Council as a faction, as Shiki, Skorak, myself, and others conceived it, was that it would necessarily never be able to represent all Maltese; it was made very clear throughout my time there that the player-wrought history of the Outcasts was of paramount importance to keep in mind and to play to, not least of all because it's so fabulously rich, unique, and unparalleled within Discovery for the freedom that it offers Outcast players.
(12-22-2016, 07:26 PM)Werdackel| Wrote: Phi is still a guard system ...
This is weird indeed. Years ago with the CL/101st conflict, it was said by the Devs that to've o85 incorporated into OC-lore, it'd need to be de-guarded, which I, when the 101st again was the only official faction, had put in a request to've it de-guarded so it's further usable in dev-driven lore.
One of the yellow people would've to answer why this change wasn't done yet.
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(12-22-2016, 07:32 PM)Divine Wrote: Years ago
There's your problem. I wasn't a member of the team then, and nor were most (if not all) of the folks who would currently be responsible for that sort of thing. I'll see that the topic's brought up, though n.b. that in the future, you'd get farther asking people on Skype about this sort of thing than raising a large and unnecessary stink in unrelated forum threads about it.
Edit:Omicron-85/Phi is not a guard system, and should not be treated as one. Many infocards in the system will be modified to reflect this; it should've been done sooner, but it wasn't. I'll make sure that the 85/Phi infocards are modified, as appropriate, Soon™.
(12-23-2016, 05:13 PM)Petitioner Wrote: ... Edit:Omicron-85/Phi is not a guard system, and should not be treated as one. Many infocards in the system will be modified to reflect this; it should've been done sooner, but it wasn't. I'll make sure that the 85/Phi infocards are modified, as appropriate, Soon™.
Much appreciated, thanks for clarification. And sorry, was my bad to not realize I still had your contact on Skype.
(12-23-2016, 10:49 AM)Sanja Wrote: And yeah, you still FR5ed Hessians without RP. hitting on us playing the Omegas realm. With quite a bit of "deal with it approach". If you have standards that you are talking about here, I'd look into IMG approach on thise things first.
That´s by far not the same. Yes, Hessians can´t dock on IMG bases in O-3 and O-7 anymore, but you were actually never supposed to be docking there, especially not in O-7 where IMG base is -in front of- police station. However, consequences are minimal for Hessians, since they still can dock on Freeport in O-3, on Ronneburg in O-5, on Darmstadt in Stuttgart and currently even in O-7 on Junkers Respite POB, if I am not mistaken. So saying you were "hit" is way too big exaggeration and totally not comparable to situation of 101st. You suffered almost no loss.
Also, everybody knows that Jack had only two option and he had to act fast to make it in time before the Reutlingen sieges. Either make measure to prevent Hessians docking on IMG stations during sieges, or face very probable scenario that some Hessian player (doesn matter if official or indie) would (un)dock on Freistadt while spotted and screened by lawfuls, and then very likely IMG would face harsh concequences, including eviction from Rheinland just as happened to IC back then (and Freistadt would be taken over just like Bonn was). So blaming him for forcing undisciplined Hessians to not dock on IMG bases (and in fact just little further) is laughable, unless you really want to claim that IMG rather had to face very harsh consequencies, which funnily enough would happen because of behaviour of Hessians, not even IMG or its players.
(12-23-2016, 09:45 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Edit:
That's where Outcasts can dock. Yes, some of those factions are not in Outcast ZoI, but you can still dock there. That's so many factions with stations all over Sirius where OCs can still go, even with FR5 to OC. It's stupid to say it'd kill a faction, as it only takes away those bases.
Nice list, but far from truth. First, some factions from it are in fact hostile to Outcasts (for example Kruger, BAF, BAF Guard, Gaians, Unioners, Unioners Guard, Red Hessians and some more) or nodocked (Bundschuh or Blood Dragons). Second, some of these IFFs don´t have any bases (like Admins) or have like one (Privateers, Neutral IFF). So maybe half of that list is valid in the end, probably even less. Not to mention how useful are bases out of ZOI, because everybody loves to undock and then fly back into his real ZOI to get into action through space where he has only self-defence permitted.