So everyone knows about the change. Cloaks now stop when you get CDed while cloaked or get shot while cloaked OR bump into something while being cloaked.
Lets go through each of these scenarios and see what happens:
1) CD:
A CD till recently was used to stop someone from cruising AKA stop them from escaping. While you can still use your thruster and can still move after being CDed, it is a lot harder to escape someone. You need a CD to counter cruise. WHY? because:
a) He is going WAY faster than you and you cant land a good shot on him or even catch up to him, unless you are in a LF or your cruise is faster than his
b) When your in cruise you cant shoot. So even when you DO catch up to the guy that's cruising away you wont be able to do anything unless you cut engine and CD him.
In some ways a cloak device works like a cruise. You cant land a good shot on someone while he/she is invisible and its a means of getting away. While cloaked you cant shoot as well as you already know.
So in this case it would make sense for a CD to operate the same way on a cloak. (now we should call the CD not a cruiser disrupter but a cruise/cloak disrupter? CCD?)
Now how does this play in space now that the change has been made?
BEFOR:
CDs stopped cruising from happening, meaning the charge of the cruise as well as the cruise itself. When someone cloaked a CD was launched, the CD was used to ONLY track the cloaker while he was trying to cruise away and in doing so stop him from cruising. This only worked however if no other enemy was around so it targeted the last enemy you saw.
AFTER:
CDs now stop you from cloaking. This literally means that if your in a fight you will still have to use your thruster and evading skills to run without using CMs anymore meaning its twice as hard to get out of a sticky situation since your sacrificing your CMs to turn invisible. Whatever hope for running is lost and all you can do it hope you can make it to a base while thrusting or fight your way out of it or hope that your opponent will run out of CDs.
Now in some ways the CD is living up to its function of stopping someone from getting away. While it was already living up to its name before and targeting ONLY the cruise, its now effecting the cloak. In this way it can be reasonable to suggest that CDing a claok and making it stop CAN make sence when thinking about what a CD does.
What this change is also doing is taking away a function of a cloak. If your in a fight and want to get away, you would WANT your cloak device to work because you have thrown out your CMs for it. Otherwise its better to just forget about getting a cloak if all you want to do is run away when getting beat up.
I can see why we needed it for capitol ships, since people were hitting and running, but in a way that's a tactic people have used in the history of warfare for centuries. Gorilla warfare. Hit the target and get the hell out as swiftly as possible.
Although we needed to target capitol ships, this also targets snubs, transports, and frightors.
Traders: They are already sacrificing cargo space for fuel. However, then can abuse the cloaking... although they would be then acting OORP. I'll explain later what I mean in the bumping part (3).
Freightors: Its going against what they are made to do. They need to be quick at escaping since they are carrying valuable cargo. I don't see the point here.
Snubs: They cant cloak for long periods of time. By using the CD to stop their cloak you better just forget about getting one for your snub all together becasue you wont even be using it for sneaking or running away and plus no more CMs.
2) Getting shot:
We all watched sci-fi movies before or played some games right? Normaly when you cloak you are still vulnerable to gun fire but because you are invisible they cant see where you are and they spray and pray. Sure, maybe one will hit you but its like finding a needle in a haystack.... unless you cloak as a cap. Then there or really no point since you are REALLY slow and BIG.
For snubs I dont see THAT big of a problem unless you are in a furball. Then again when you cloak your sheilds drop anyway. Why make make the cloaks not work if one small gun projectile hits you. It doesn't make that much sence and its an extension of the CD that is already in itself stopping you from cloaking.
So in short, the uncloaking when getting shot just increases the ineffectiveness of running. First of all your shields drop so you get damaged, THEN you cant even charge.
3) Getting bumped:
There are the pros and cons of this.
PROs: I've had instances that when a trader was cloaked they kept on ramming people and just annoying the hell out of them, abusing the cloak and OORPing at the same time.
CONs: say your in a mine field or asteroid feild and running away or stealthing. The slightest bump and POOF your exposed. There is really no point.
To say the least. This is a final blow that cloaks are getting more and more ineffective and can only be turned on and used effectively in an open space area. This is weird since when you wana do stealth missions in a field you have to be REALLY careful not to screw up.
IN SUMMARY
Running:
No point. No hope. Not gonna happen. You will either be shot at while your sheilds are down and the cloak will cancel OR be CDed.
Sneaking:
Only good in open spaces. If you try to sneak up in a asteroid field or mine field you BETTER be a damn good snub pilot. Then again you cant even cloak for that long.... So there is no point to cloak in an asteroid field let alone an open field for snubs.
What I propose:
Any Ideas? Yes.
For starers. Why not just nerf the cap cloaks and not the snub and freighter cloaks? Have them as they were but if you are using a cap you have that disadvantage of being big and would only be using it to engage an enemy in a surprise attack (don't know exactly how surprising will work since you still have to say your attacking) SO basically have this change only effect the big cloaks that can be cloaked for longer periods of time.
Or how about when you bump into something or get shot at the only thing that will happen is is that the cloak with go on and off really quickly so it SHOWS where you are for a brief moment but doesn't turn off completely. You know, like light bulbs that are about to go off and turn on and off quickly.
OR how about set a timer on the cloaks so you cant be cloaked for a long time anymore. you would have to recharge for a time and then start cloaking again. This could fix the problem for cloaking caps since you can eventually find them again.
I'd say that the bump(3) and shoot(2) is just pushing it too far. Saying that CDs stop it is already good enough to stop people from cloaking. If you don't have a CD you should be already ready to have people run away from you.
Discovery official server became more and more lowutish server.
You will waste billions of money, hours of supplying for upgrade, some time for posting on forums, defending and bulding cloak and then....your cloak will be stopped by cd\shooting\ramming from simple LF for 1 million of credits?
Oh,i heard some voice...is that voice of Blodo? Which gives for balance to RH battleships?
Now 13 RH BS assaulting Kruger base in omega 7 and rheinland cant defend it coz cloaks not working.
Oh,its so sweet.
Simple miners creating fleet of 13 heavy armored BSs... :3
I love this RP server. Now go you all roleplayers and tell them that this is not fair do play like that.
I think will be good point to start look a new server,coz this is server lost some logic.
Poor miners using BSs, BS cloak stopped by simple LF for 1 million. Meh,
(03-20-2013, 08:42 PM)Reptile Wrote: Discovery official server became more and more lowutish server.
You will waste billions of money, hours of supplying for upgrade, some time for posting on forums, defending and bulding cloak and then....your cloak will be stopped by cd\shooting\ramming from simple LF for 1 million of credits?
Oh,i heard some voice...is that voice of Blodo? Which gives for balance to RH battleships?
Now 13 RH BS assaulting Kruger base in omega 7 and rheinland cant defend it coz cloaks not working.
Oh,its so sweet.
Simple miners creating fleet of 13 heavy armored BSs... :3
I love this RP server. Now go you all roleplayers and tell them that this is not fair do play like that.
I think will be good point to start look a new server,coz this is server lost some logic.
Poor miners using BSs, BS cloak stopped by simple LF for 1 million. Meh,
Actually Reptile if you read what I linked it said that now its stopped by a CD only.
You should ask for a refund nommie. The important people don't care and the ones that do are the ones killing this server. You'd be better off saving your two cents for something important. Like pony reservation upkeep.
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(03-21-2013, 12:13 AM)The Creature Wrote: You should ask for a refund nommie. The important people don't care and the ones that do are the ones killing this server. You'd be better off saving your two cents for something important. Like pony reservation upkeep.
Well im not giving up hope. The change that was made today to have CDs disrupt Cloaks while Charging is logical, since they are a way to stop someone from escaping. I can think of ways to actually make sure you can be cloaked and work around this, which is fine by me.
(03-21-2013, 12:45 AM)713.dstryr Wrote: Your proposals seems to be the only ones that make sense around here.
Love it.
Thank you
I've been thinking about it for a bit and even while writing my points of view on the subject changed a bit once i thought it all out and wrote it down. Thanks for the feedback!
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