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So basically, there's a status quo that we can't be allowed to change, is that what you're saying?

I get marked KoS almost every time I undock my BH Destroyer from Naha. Three times by gunboats (one killed me, two ran away when they realised they were biting more than they could chew), and a couple fighters.

I try my hardest to roleplay in sigma-13, the sector I have decided to defend... but it doesn't work. Tell a pirate to "halt, and we will escort from system" and he'll flat out ignore me and fly away. Fly too close to one and he'll just fire without warning.

I try my very hardest to get into RP, but the pirates I deal with alot just make that a little hard.

Every faction has problems with the independents, hell, the SCRA-TBH partnership was almost destroyed due to independents, but if you all want to be a faction, you have to hold yourself to a higher standerd.

plus are there bounties on the pirates in Sigma? why would you have a BH destroyer stationed on Naha? And yes bounty hunters are KOS by most pirate groups.

(LLJK)Kerc: You claim that you want constructive criticism, but you've been ignoring most of Chopper's suggestions.

You create a faction proposal thread -- the purpose of which is for experienced players (like Chopper and me) to give a new faction leader (that's you) suggestions about what will work (i.e. meet with Admin approval) and what won't (i.e. what will get GCorp sanctioned by the Admins). Instead of thanking us, you claim that we're flaming you.

Actually, I did flame you once -- by saying that you're creating an exploitation force, instead of an exploration force. I said that, because you are clearly trying to exploit the rules, so that GCorp can win more PvP engagements with pirate players. As far as I'm concerned, my flame was also a valid form of criticism and completely accurate.

I've seen a faction leader with your level of arrogance before -- DICrep. Have you seen the DIC faction lately? They didn't last long, because their faction didn't meet with Admin approval. Why? DICrep basically said that DIC was here and that DIC would do whatever they wanted. You're coming very close to doing the same thing. I've been trying to help you by giving you useful advice. Obviously, my advice is falling on deaf ears. When the Admins ban GCorp, I'll be cheering. Notice that I said WHEN, NOT IF, because that's the path you're using.

I was trying to save you from your own ignorance, but that is obviously a hopeless task.

' Wrote:Whats using different ships got to do with Roleplay? If you work for the same company, why on earth would you drive the same car? We're a guild of miners, not a military or navy. We use what we have currently to get the job done, but we supply our own equipment if a member doesn't have his own and prefer that they do fly our own stuff. It's simply there to make it easier on our members so they can stick to their own backgrounds rather then be mindless robots in a non-existent navy. If anything it adds to roleplay.

correct,GUILD,not military or navy.you say why on earth you will fly with the same car.and you see some guild on earth in M1 abrams?or in US navy destroyer or gunboat? or in M24 hind? i think no.so why will military or navy sell you their ships?gmg has bomber,so why fly with 3 types of bobmers?or you see some other faction in 2 or 3 types of bobmers when their have they own bobmer?you say that you will fly with ship the best to your job.so then when pirate try to tax you they can bring the best ship to make it? big dread to destroy escort and then fighters or bobmers to tax your trader?you mean it that?

' Wrote:correct,GUILD,not military or navy.you say why on earth you will fly with the same car.and you see some guild on earth in M1 abrams?or in US navy destroyer or gunboat? or in M24 hind? i think no.so why will military or navy sell you their ships?gmg has bomber,so why fly with 3 types of bobmers?or you see some other faction in 2 or 3 types of bobmers when their have they own bobmer?you say that you will fly with ship the best to your job.so then when pirate try to tax you they can bring the best ship to make it? big dread to destroy escort and then fighters or bobmers to tax your trader?you mean it that?

Read the thread I've removed it stop bringing the bombers up, gosh.

Juan: I'm not being arrogant, my main problem is people not reading the thread fully and rather just gazing over it and criticizing problems that don't exist.

We're not trying to exploit the rules, I don't know where you came up with that but I suggest you keep dillusions to yourself rather then try and make it actual material evidence. We have admin approval.. read the first page...so now tell me, soothsayer, what is currently wrong with the application and what should be done? I've lessened the amount of ships, I've stated the usage of weapons that are not our own shall be minimal, I've stated that we'll primarily be flying GMG ships, I've removed most kusari ships and left only the ones that are simply needed because we need ships to counter others. It seems the only other problem is my 'arrogance and ignorant' I've been neither of which, I'm just stating what we're doing, and that is we do want to win the engagements we have, if we outnumber and outgun a pirate force we should win simply because we had the advantage, isn't that the way all conflicts should end? The best skill, the most people etc will win? If it was all "they should be defeated out of RP" I'm yet to see a pirate(and they're not independent mind you) in any of our engagements yield, rather they run away, call in their friends and re-engage. Lovely roleplay and following the rules, why am I being banned again? Oh it's because of someone else breaking the rules I'm glad that justice is being served.

If you don't want me being sarcastic, if you don't want me being arrogant, stop saying stupid illogical statements and learn to debate rather then argue like a 5th grader before it degrades to "Your mom" jokes.

EDIT:
To all: I really want to work this out and make the server happy and proud to allow us to be the GMG faction, but I wish to work this out calmly, bringing up issues that have already been mentioned by a thousand posters before you does not allow me to remain calm, it irratates me and makes you look like a fool. I dislike fools and prefer not to deal with them, hence I become arrogant and ignorant of your opinion because you proved to bea fool by not reading the thread. So please, I'm giving you all a clean slate with this, help me so I can fix this post, but do not mention things that are already resolved otherwise your opinion will be null to me.

EDIT2: After further reading it seems that our 'problem' is that we're refusing to be underdogs which is retarded. WHO THE HELL WOULD WANT TO GET THEIR KILLED ALL THE TIME? If thats fun to you why don't you do it? Ofcourse we want to win whenever we can, but we don't wan't to lose all the time either, we want to be on equal terms with most we encounter simply so the game and pvp engagements will be fun for us. How is it fun to tell your guys Oh this battle means nothing , we have to lose so like , pretend to fight.

' Wrote:Read the thread I've removed it stop bringing the bombers up, gosh.

Juan: I'm not being arrogant, my main problem is people not reading the thread fully and rather just gazing over it and criticizing problems that don't exist.

We're not trying to exploit the rules, I don't know where you came up with that but I suggest you keep dillusions to yourself rather then try and make it actual material evidence. We have admin approval.. read the first page...so now tell me, soothsayer, what is currently wrong with the application and what should be done? I've lessened the amount of ships, I've stated the usage of weapons that are not our own shall be minimal, I've stated that we'll primarily be flying GMG ships, I've removed most kusari ships and left only the ones that are simply needed because we need ships to counter others. It seems the only other problem is my 'arrogance and ignorant' I've been neither of which, I'm just stating what we're doing, and that is we do want to win the engagements we have, if we outnumber and outgun a pirate force we should win simply because we had the advantage, isn't that the way all conflicts should end? The best skill, the most people etc will win? If it was all "they should be defeated out of RP" I'm yet to see a pirate(and they're not independent mind you) in any of our engagements yield, rather they run away, call in their friends and re-engage. Lovely roleplay and following the rules, why am I being banned again? Oh it's because of someone else breaking the rules I'm glad that justice is being served.

If you don't want me being sarcastic, if you don't want me being arrogant, stop saying stupid illogical statements and learn to debate rather then argue like a 5th grader before it degrades to "Your mom" jokes.

EDIT:
To all: I really want to work this out and make the server happy and proud to allow us to be the GMG faction, but I wish to work this out calmly, bringing up issues that have already been mentioned by a thousand posters before you does not allow me to remain calm, it irratates me and makes you look like a fool. I dislike fools and prefer not to deal with them, hence I become arrogant and ignorant of your opinion because you proved to bea fool by not reading the thread. So please, I'm giving you all a clean slate with this, help me so I can fix this post, but do not mention things that are already resolved otherwise your opinion will be null to me.

I've tried to be helpful and in return you insult me. You say that I should look at your faction proposal to tell you what's wrong with it. Why should I? I don't owe you any favors. I'm not going to help somebody who is hostile to me on the forums. I can't say how I feel about you now, because I would be seriously flaming you.

Conclusions (so simple even you can understand them): I've read every post in this thread. Your ignorance and arrogance will bring the downfall of GCorp. I'll be surprised if you're still here in a month.

' Wrote:I've tried to be helpful and in return you insult me. You say that I should look at your faction proposal to tell you what's wrong with it. Why should I? I don't owe you any favors. I'm not going to help somebody who is hostile to me on the forums. I can't say how I feel about you now, because I would be seriously flaming you.

Conclusions (so simple even you can understand them): I've read every post in this thread. Your ignorance and arrogance will bring the downfall of GCorp. I'll be surprised if you're still here in a month.

Okay thanks, good to know you had so much to share anyway. I wouldn't of insulted you if you actually put the effort into assisting me, I didn't ask you to, it's just you kept complaining that I wasn't allowing you to. I allowed you and you run away. Did you even have a point in this thread or were you just looking to act tough? I'm doing my best but people saying "GUNS ARE BAD! TOO MANY SHIPS! NO KUSARI = BAD" over and over again when I've already fixed it is frankly, annoying. Tell me how it isn't and i'll bow before you, because my god that'd be quite the feat right there.

The only reason I'll leave won't be because of being banned, it'd be because my corporation cannot stand the hostility we had thrown at us since we got here. We've been trying so very hard to have a chance but we've been given nothing but hate, if you wish to jump on that bandwagon I'm surprised this place ever has any new players if you treat them like you treated us.

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You have the administrative blessings. This is the first important thing that counts.
They had no criticisms about your ships and weapons, because they have understood what you have written.

In contrary i miss two ships of the Taiidan line. O.K. one of them might be included within the freighters.
The other one, a HF/VHF is atm unfortunately sold on Battleship Regensburg in Munich.

Also i would suggest to contact the RM command for negotiations. There is absolutely no need to be hostile in an RP manner. RM is in need of more H-Fuel and a support to deal with the pirates in Sigma 13, while it would be good for Gcorp to travel through Rheinland territory, without fighting against RM.
Especially since Rheinlands relations to Kusari were becomming better.

Also i suggest to delete the Kusari Gunboat from your shiplist and replace it with the Spatial. A very formidable ship. This along with the Kusari Explorer and maybe the IMG Gunboat will give you a good exploration force.

At the end, there is one point remaining. Show a good example of RP with your faction.

To all the folks giving criticisms.
Keep in mind, the tone is making the music. I have read some of the posts and they were made in a dictatorship sound. The attitude "listen to the older members and do what they say" is nonsense and BS (i meant not Battleship) I have seen older members with a terrible rp, beeing the worst example for new ones.
Well and the players, having pirate chars, will have to live with that their life in Sigma 13 will become not so easy any longer.

Btw, one day in the past i have seen one of LLJK new memebers, having the courage to travel through Rheinland with a Starflier. He was blown many times by NPC's. When i launched from Dortmund, he was launching from Essen again, so i tried to help him, by attacking the NPC's which was working. So he could flee to Hamburg JG, where he was accompanied by an experienced another one of LLJK. Nevertheless i offered my help and got a not so nice answer from the experienced.
Guess what? I don't take care about. Its a game and very often we all have bad days. Maybe he was enraged by some posts at this time in the forums and had his predjudices against everyone.

I'm happy to see another faction to rp with. A faction that is representing one of the greatest NPC coorporations.

Respectful
AoM

' Wrote:Okay thanks, good to know you had so much to share anyway. I wouldn't of insulted you if you actually put the effort into assisting me, I didn't ask you to, it's just you kept complaining that I wasn't allowing you to. I allowed you and you run away. Did you even have a point in this thread or were you just looking to act tough? I'm doing my best but people saying "GUNS ARE BAD! TOO MANY SHIPS! NO KUSARI = BAD" over and over again when I've already fixed it is frankly, annoying. Tell me how it isn't and i'll bow before you, because my god that'd be quite the feat right there.

The only reason I'll leave won't be because of being banned, it'd be because my corporation cannot stand the hostility we had thrown at us since we got here. We've been trying so very hard to have a chance but we've been given nothing but hate, if you wish to jump on that bandwagon I'm surprised this place ever has any new players if you treat them like you treated us.

What is the purpose of this thread? This is a FACTION PROPOSAL thread. Your faction is SUPPOSED to be criticized here. That's the purpose of the thread. The fact that you don't understand that shows your IGNORANCE!

The fact that experienced players like Chopper have to explain the same thing 10 times before you accept them shows your ARROGANCE.

YOUR IGNORANCE & ARROGANCE has MADE me hostile! I had no hostile feelings toward you or anybody in LLJK/GCorp until this thread. GCorp is the new DIC.

If everybody else hates you, it's probably because of your bad attitude (i.e. arrogance). IF GCorp gets approved, I doubt it will survive one month before being banned. Thats what happens to YANFs led by newbies who don't listen to advice from experienced players. I've seen it happen many times before, but according to you I don't know anything.

By the way, I didn't jump on the hate bandwagon -- your arrogance and ignorance put me on it.

' Wrote:What is the purpose of this thread? This is a FACTION PROPOSAL thread. Your faction is SUPPOSED to be criticized here. That's the purpose of the thread. The fact that you don't understand that shows your IGNORANCE!

The fact that experienced players like Chopper have to explain the same thing 10 times before you accept them shows your ARROGANCE.

YOUR IGNORANCE & ARROGANCE has MADE me hostile! I had no hostile feelings toward you or anybody in LLJK/GCorp until this thread. GCorp is the new DIC.

If everybody else hates you, it's probably because of your bad attitude (i.e. arrogance). IF GCorp gets approved, I doubt it will survive one month before being banned. Thats what happens to YANFs led by newbies who don't listen to advice from experienced players. I've seen it happen many times before, but according to you I don't know anything.

By the way, I didn't jump on the hate bandwagon -- your arrogance and ignorance put me on it.

I did no such thing I've been busy doing other things and simply hadn't got around to changing it just yet, I'm sorry I'm not making hourly reports about this nor changing it the faction submission as soon as a post is made. I'm doing my best but I can't devout my entire life to it, I need to sleep at some point.

I wasn't ignoring him, I have been trying to work out the idea my self so it could allow us to find a compromise, if I was ignoring him I would of told him to go away, I didn't ever do such a thing. I was simply putting it on the back burner so I can work it out amongst my men. Calm the hell down about this.

Why are you angry? You have no reason to be, I insulted you because it was pretty clear you had a problem with me personally, if you wish to leave this like men or squabble like children its up to you, I merely want to get this over and done with so we can move on and forget about this issue ever occurring.

My attitude is bad at this moment because I'm not in the best of moods, leave it at that. I'm doing the best I can and if that isn't enough then whats the point in yelling at me about it? It'll simply make the situation worthless, calm down and allow yourself some clarity before we both say something we'll regret.

We were hated before we even made a post, don't you remember the LLJK thread? I suggest you go take a look.

Stop treating me like an idiot who has no idea how to roleplay, I've been doing it for several years now and I have a very good idea amongst it, I know it doesn't mean squat being on a new server but don't treat me like a complete fool.

For god sakes can we just take the tone down for a moment please.