' Wrote:what we so often forget about landing on a planet is that its a planet. - it "appears" so easily like some stage from star trek, where alien planets are reduced to like a single scenery... but we know earth ( not one of the biggest planets ) - and most of us haven t been everywhere on that planet. not even the best intelligence knows all about every part of the planet.
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Jinx, I'd agree with that reasoning if the very act of "entering" a Planet wasn't controlled by a lockable docking ring and mooring fixture. You're suggesting that there won't be surface radars and atmospheric alert fighters to intercept a ship that has purposely evaded the authorities in orbit and as such would be very intently monitored?
Granted, let's suppose the guy could evade all that in a Luxury Liner and that he would be able to land such a ship in some place outside of a populated center. What I'm questioning here is the pilot's ability to be granted permission to land by the docking ring and mooring fixture control in the first place, considering the space authority is holding him for questioning. When the NPC patrols bust you in space for something, everything around you suddenly turns red and you simply aren't able to access the docks affiliated to them.
its a bit as much RP as a bunch of nukes around malta. - while i think that its basicly impossible to land undetected ( or maybe its especially easy to do that there ) on a planet like leeds ( you see that its seamlessly covered with roads - basicly ONE big city. - then you see new tokyo - a world made out of ... mostly water and a few continents. - there i d expect it possible to land ( if thats possible ) on a rogue platform somewhere in the sea. ( must be RPed though .... )
now - the question is of course rather if its possible to land without a docking ring at all ( means guided landing ) -
example 1 is futurama ( yea, a bit silly ) - they hop from planet to planet, but in one episode, the landing guidence system ( installed on the planet ) fails... and they crash, cause they simply cannot land without it.
example 2 is firefly serenity - they are smugglers and land even on the core planets "fairly" undetected.
for that, it would be nice - if the houses decided ( a mostly ooRP dicsussion ) how the techonology worked - if the docking ring is just "useful" or "necessary" - and if its possible, even if its very hard - to land on a planet without the docking guidence - or if its simply impossible ( maybe the ships have no real heatshield for atmospheric entry )
but as long as its all uncertain - people can RP around it... cause they can just invent stuff when there is no "lore" or "fact" against them.
.. I've been with the US Air Force for eight years now, and I can tell you without a doubt that even if Earth's skies were littered with hundreds of thousands of airborne freighters n' such, we'd be able to pinpoint the location of one out of all them and, if necessary, destroy it from the ground. I'm sure most other superpowers on the planet have these capabilities aswell. This is because aircrafts always emit a very unique wake. It's kind of like how you can match a bullet to a gun, except when it comes to aircrafts it's a whole lot easier - you don't even need the bullet.
It's how we knew something was wrong on 9/11 before anything bad had actually happened, because ten minutes after the first plane started to alter it's course we knew about it and we were tracking it. We probably could've destroyed it before it caused any damage aswell, but of course that isn't the proper course of action you take for a commercial airliner.
.. So yeah, I think this guy was in the wrong. I'm not saying landing undetected is impossible, but it definitely is impossible if a Military knows you're doing it, lol.
Well, anyway, we're diverging. The whole point of this thread was, as it was stated, to give a warning; to see if the person in question will grow something of a sense and take his prized stuff away from Rheinland space while we're not looking. Because as it is, we've given him enough chances to play along with us in RP and he is clearly not inclined to do so.
We will not ignore him and pretend he's not there for the sake of every other player that has agreed to play along and got rid of their Nomad related stuff and for the sake of our own RP reasoning, which is sound.
If it was any other scenario I wouldn't even bother making a thread out of it to warn the guy before hand, but it's an armory ship and I know that it can take a while to gather that amount of hardware. Hence my friendly suggestion that it be moved before we meet again. RPing doesn't necessarily revolve around babbling stuff in system channel, next time we'll play our characters through their actions.
' Wrote:they can ignore the 4 hours rule, but not the F1 rule. - so when THEY can dock and F1 legally, everyone else can, too. - of course they must leave the system when they return, cause they have retreated.
Not in this case - there was no fight as the RM didn't open fire. They therefore didn't 'retreat' as there was no fight to retreat from.
No longer active online due to a dwindling amount of non-PvP (trading, pirating, mining, etc.) fun in the new version.
' Wrote:I hate to drag in semantics n' such, but..
.. I've been with the US Air Force for eight years now, and I can tell you without a doubt that even if Earth's skies were littered with hundreds of thousands of airborne freighters n' such, we'd be able to pinpoint the location of one out of all them and, if necessary, destroy it from the ground. I'm sure most other superpowers on the planet have these capabilities aswell. This is because aircrafts always emit a very unique wake. It's kind of like how you can match a bullet to a gun, except when it comes to aircrafts it's a whole lot easier - you don't even need the bullet.
It's how we knew something was wrong on 9/11 before anything bad had actually happened, because ten minutes after the first plane started to alter it's course we knew about it and we were tracking it. We probably could've destroyed it before it caused any damage aswell, but of course that isn't the proper course of action you take for a commercial airliner.
.. So yeah, I think this guy was in the wrong. I'm not saying landing undetected is impossible, but it definitely is impossible if a Military knows you're doing it, lol.
US Air Force huh? Could it be by any chance called radar? (Russians have some IRST system that works off infra-red but I don't know much about it.)
Radar doesn't work under a certain altitude.
Satellite tracking. Low-Earth Orbit satellites could do what you're suggesting as well (can rotate Earth about every 90 minutes) and their orbit would have to be re-changed so they could track. Changing their orbit takes time however. And re-entry time is under 20 minutes easily. (From what I remember this is maximum re-entry time, I could be wrong, someone else can verify.)
As for detection. Fuel's used by jet's are similar so it can't be off engine signatures.
However in FL SP after the FP7 disaster there is a bit about whoever attacking the station didn't have any recognisable engine signature. So, 800 AS technology is more evolved. However, they needed scientists to go out an collect samples and this takes time, so no yet again.
Sound signature. Each plane used to emit a particular sound. Could work. But they'd have to know what plane they're dealing with. New Berlin hasn't had every FL vessel land, so it can't have signatures of each craft. Hence it can't track off it. Plus all FL ships sound the same sound. However, we could immerse ourselves in RP and take it as each craft has different sounds.
Basically, what you're suggesting is impropable, to the extent where the difference between it and impossible is negligible.
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' Wrote:Even on Earth we can tell the difference between a pigeon and a plane using satellites over 75% of our atmosphere, to say that planets in Freelancer don't have similiar (or better) capabilities makes little sense.
I'm not interested in debating the semantics of things that really have no purpose to the actual thread. I don't need to indulge in it anyway, I'm already pretty comfortable with my own facts. And no, I wasn't talking about Radar. You don't use radar to try and monitor a planet.
That plane might've been "undetectable" in the 90's, but I assure you it isn't, these days.
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