Dab Wrote:But my point does still stand about admins. They have their own rules. They DON'T just say 'this is this way because we said so.' They have reasons to back it up.
Hood Wrote:Permission expressly denied.
I beg difference. Plus, since Hood seems to be the cause of the issue here I'd really like to see him post. Otherwise it looks like he's hiding from something, which only adds to the suspicion.
PSI Wrote:Mon'star in his Destroyer, and me in my fighter, were getting janked. We asked permission from the admins to get a corsair gunboat to up our firepower. We'd have to steal the thing from its owners and kill them, hence the story.
Right... *cough* Lets review this shall we?
"Ohai... so... k well me and monstr were gettng pwnt, so i r masheen and hack... comp systumz? kthnxbai. PvP ho!"
In my very, very, humble opinion. This is utter rubbish. Its not even good writing - style, quality, or enjoyability. But, not everybody can so I guess thats strictly opinionated and... Not everybody can write well I mean. But the point is that the REASONING was, "Well... We r suk... BIG SHIP!" (-Insert reading comprehension here- PvP)... Corsair Gunboat. Outcast tag. Following a psyco terrorist to and fro.
Lovely! Remind me to make an AI system small enough to fit on a fighter and intelligent enough to do more than hand out drinks; I'll be shutting down Manhattan with the Y2K virus shortly.
-Edit- Oh, and eh... Eppy. Flip out much? If I didn't know better, you seem to be trying to get this thread locked.
Ok so, me not haveing my RP dismissed unceremoneously and getting an additional ship class would cause the server to crash and burn?
Do i really cause that much of a problem in game?
Do I just bulldoze and destroy RP everywhere I go?
Because this is how I read it when these are the points being brought forward to defend, denying me.
Now I respect AC_Merc post he accually addressed everything I wrote it even seemed that he thought. If I had to guess I would say he may be older than most the admins. I may be wrong and I'm not afraid of being wrong.
I simply see and can point out inconsistancies in thinking and desicion makeing the effect me personally and negatively. I also think that I have been trying to see what is best for the community but that cannot be done when admin censors post and locks them.
If we were concerned about the community and not our clicks we would leave those post and my warning.
Then we would let the community see and comment. Then they would either shout me down. In which case I would not be able to stand here a bark at the moon or, theyd shout you (admin) down and things would get better FOR THE COMMUNITY either way.
But instead it is locked up and we have to take your word. So, much easier for admin to one at a time say "I see nothing wrong" and call me "quack". Than it is for admin to say "Ok tough guy show folks how messed up you are, post it!"
I dont think I get that permission because I think there is desicion makeing patterns there folks would not appreciate.
Additionally my request thread in the special RP column was denied and locked before the community had thier time to post on it. That is not "for the good of the community" thats makeing desicion then sticking by them no matter how bad they are. Based on personal opinion.
However I can assure you I'm nowhere near as destressed as admin is. I simply want it to be aired and then get told by my peers to let it be or I'm right.
But untill its out there we can only see what admin wants us to see. Hence the same egos and pride disrupt here as they do every government and when your in a position to stop it and be different you end up being no different. Its not like those PMs are offensive to read or a matter of personal or national security.
However folks want thier ideas safe and want thier toys so they will say cut admin a break at the exspece of fairness to me, then when they get bit in the butt they will know how it is.
Anyway I cant have my RP piece fine. I still have a great PVP line up to RP from. Just not for my command unit. At least I can mass produce these.
' Wrote:Right... *cough* Lets review this shall we?
"Ohai... so... k well me and monstr were gettng pwnt, so i r masheen and hack... comp systumz? kthnxbai. PvP ho!"
In my very, very, humble opinion. This is utter rubbish. Its not even good writing - style, quality, or enjoyability. But, not everybody can so I guess thats strictly opinionated and... Not everybody can write well I mean. But the point is that the REASONING was, "Well... We r suk... BIG SHIP!" (-Insert reading comprehension here- PvP)... Corsair Gunboat. Outcast tag. Following a psyco terrorist to and fro.
Lovely! Remind me to make an AI system small enough to fit on a fighter and intelligent enough to do more than hand out drinks; I'll be shutting down Manhattan with the Y2K virus shortly.
i'm not sure what i have done to deserve the slap in the face?
But the point remains that a rather short post was accepted for almost entirely PvP reasons:
Quote: Mon'star in his Destroyer, and me in my fighter, were getting janked. We asked permission from the admins to get a corsair gunboat to up our firepower. We'd have to steal the thing from its owners and kill them, hence the story.
Something which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
I do however agree with Scorn's post two up.
-Edit- Sorry about the slappage, Dreygon, but I believe that RP reasons and enjoyment from RP should come before PvP reasons for a weird ship choice. Ebony and Ivory may complete one another, but in the end, there are always more trees than elephants.
' Wrote:I am SO confused.
I beg difference. Plus, since Hood seems to be the cause of the issue here I'd really like to see him post. Otherwise it looks like he's hiding from something, which only adds to the suspicion.
The thing is, he had ALREADY given Scornstar several reasons. In skype, in forums. Also, just because they have reasons doesn't mean they always post them. The Snubnose was more common sense reasoning. There is no point for a GC to have a Snubnose bomber. Especially one operating in Kusari and Bretonia. I have GC who fly BD ships.. I have a BD bomber, not a Snubnose bomber.. I could certaintly RP my way there, but what is the point of a GC who flies a Snubnose? To people who haven't read my story, it'd look extremely OORP, get me reported, and cause a lot of OORP convos in system chat wherever I go.
' Wrote:The thing is, he had ALREADY given Scornstar several reasons. In skype, in forums. Also, just because they have reasons doesn't mean they always post them. The Snubnose was more common sense reasoning. There is no point for a GC to have a Snubnose bomber. Especially one operating in Kusari and Bretonia. I have GC who fly BD ships.. I have a BD bomber, not a Snubnose bomber.. I could certaintly RP my way there, but what is the point of a GC who flies a Snubnose? To people who haven't read my story, it'd look extremely OORP, get me reported, and cause a lot of OORP convos in system chat wherever I go.
Okay, one: If they have reasons, they need to post them. That's what the special RP characters forum is for. Two: You haven't been keeping up on the snubnose conflict, their ruling has nothing to do with what you just said. At all.
And by your reasoning, you could say that about anything. Wesley didn't have to have his ship infected by a nomad power core. Mariko doesn't have to fly a snubnose. That's beside the point. They RPed to have these setups because they have become a part of their character.
Its not as if I didnt obtain the bomber in 4.83, when there was only the Taidan bomber and the Rheinland bomber. Would you rather I flew the Corsair (which is what the Taiidan was at the time) bomber, or the Rheinland one? You would probably answer "neither" which isn't all that helpful.
I didn't invent it on my own without input from other people because I wanted one that badly. Infact, the whole idea of the MK's was designed from the concept of a "private army". At the end of the day, the story was written for the sake of writing a story and fulfilling the objective of giving Juno a private army. The snubnose happened to come by as an oppourtunity, it was offered and I took it. Is that a problem?
I also seem to remember, at the time you had a Rheinland bomber, AW tagged. So you did in fact, RP your way there. Albeit in another form.
Aside from that, most special characters have the problem of being reported for being supposedly out of RP by people who dont know the respective stories. That problem is no different from what its always been, for everyone who plays with something special or out of place.
Lately, i've found people are actually on the whole more courteous about the issue. They query either politely or in private chat. Its better than what it used to be, certainly. What is more of a problem is some Bretonian lawfuls being skeptical about why we base out of Battleship York. Then again, it might be better because most people in Bretonia have embraced the concept of RP fully and dont see how it could have happened..
Slight hijack [understatement]; I felt I had to defend myself.
On to the actual topic at hand, I stand by what I said earlier. You're just shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Complaining about the issue rarely results in the desired effect for the displeased party. You think that the perogative is on the empowered to please the less fortunate. It just doesnt work like that, in all rungs of society. The world, the internet, the consituency or state within which you live, its all the same. Send in a complaint about some aspect to the higher-ups and it will be ignored, unless there are many people complaining about the 'same issue'. There are always tiers of society, wherever you go, and no matter how much you try to get rid of them, they will be there. Thats a fact... even within communism, there is a "first among equals".
Whether this is the 'same issue' as other recent threads is for the readers to decide. People only act if it affects them directly, as it has done you and I. However, we've handled it different ways and that could be a contributory factor as to why you've been rejected as soon as you've posted, whereas I've had time to debate the issue with some members of the admin team in PM.
Those who fight for whats "right" are optimists, or have been adversely affected by the system.
Those who fight for themselves and their interests alone are politicians.
Its not as if I didnt obtain the bomber in 4.83, when there was only the Taidan bomber and the Rheinland bomber. Would you rather I flew the Corsair (which is what the Taiidan was at the time) bomber, or the Rheinland one? You would probably answer "neither" which isn't all that helpful.
I didn't invent it on my own without input from other people because I wanted one that badly. Infact, the whole idea of the MK's was designed from the concept of a "private army". At the end of the day, the story was written for the sake of writing a story and fulfilling the objective of giving Juno a private army. The snubnose happened to come by as an oppourtunity, it was offered and I took it. Is that a problem?
I also seem to remember, at the time you had a Rheinland bomber, AW tagged. So you did in fact, RP your way there. Albeit in another form.
Aside from that, most special characters have the problem of being reported for being supposedly out of RP by people who dont know the respective stories. That problem is no different from what its always been, for everyone who plays with something special or out of place.
Lately, i've found people are actually on the whole more courteous about the issue. They query either politely or in private chat. Its better than what it used to be, certainly. What is more of a problem is some Bretonian lawfuls being skeptical about why we base out of Battleship York. Then again, it might be better because most people in Bretonia have embraced the concept of RP fully and dont see how it could have happened..
Slight hijack [understatement]; I felt I had to defend myself.
On to the actual topic at hand, I stand by what I said earlier. You're just shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Complaining about the issue rarely results in the desired effect for the displeased party. You think that the perogative is on the empowered to please the less fortunate. It just doesnt work like that, in all rungs of society. The world, the internet, the consituency or state within which you live, its all the same. Send in a complaint about some aspect to the higher-ups and it will be ignored, unless there are many people complaining about the 'same issue'. There are always tiers of society, wherever you go, and no matter how much you try to get rid of them, they will be there. Thats a fact... even within communism, there is a "first among equals".
Whether this is the 'same issue' as other recent threads is for the readers to decide. People only act if it affects them directly, as it has done you and I. However, we've handled it different ways and that could be a contributory factor as to why you've been rejected as soon as you've posted, whereas I've had time to debate the issue with some members of the admin team in PM.
Those who fight for whats "right" are optimists, or have been adversely affected by the system.
Those who fight for themselves and their interests alone are politicians.
Which is it to be?
According to my last few post in various threads I really am not fighting anymore. I'm now responding to our society and admin messages that are addressed to me. I have adapted the wait and see posture since they said they would look in to it. I have PMed Igiss and Majkp and Majkp has gotten back to me so, I wait.
While agree with everything you posted. I must also remind you it is often times the squeeky wheel that gets the greese. So, I squeek. Now if they greese me or not we'll see. I really havent much to lose at this point. I have a great line up, I just am offended my RP was dismissed with out any appearent understanding of it.
From what I gather from my conversation with most of my critics, they have done nothing more then speed read through it and look for random point to try and use against me. Thats not fair. I can handle rejection. Heck, I have two jobs and looking for another, and job hunting is all about takeing rejection on a daily basis and smileing with it.
I just feel with accually at stake here, that if they arent going to produce an accual reason then give me the benefit of the doubt. I wonder if you had read my entire post or skip read through it looking for key phrases with which to base your opinion. If you read it entirely and still formed this opinion then A) I come off totally different than I mean too.(which is possible I failed English in college twice.) B) Your baseing your responce on factors not in my post. or of course thers C) you didnt read it totally.
So, for the speed readers. I AM in a holding pattern.
But the point remains that a rather short post was accepted for almost entirely PvP reasons:
Something which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
I do however agree with Scorn's post two up.
-Edit- Sorry about the slappage, Dreygon, but I believe that RP reasons and enjoyment from RP should come before PvP reasons for a weird ship choice. Ebony and Ivory may complete one another, but in the end, there are always more trees than elephants.
i'm just unsure where these comments are coming from. yes Psi-Borg's words were indeed poorly chosen, but that doesn't change the fact that everything Psi-Borg and i do is first brought before the Admins and the community first.
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