The point of an Appeal is for the punished to atone for their wrongdoings and re-present themselves as an individual that is fully capable of re-integrating into the community. It's a platform for the user to present their view of events and consider their actions leading up to that punishment, ultimately culminating in a discussion with the Staff whether the decision will be reversed or not. And in some cases, the individual exits the process with a better sense of self and their impact on the community. For example a user is placed on a six month ban, with their misbehaviour outlined, and they are expected to reform within those 6 months and come back ready to integrate with the community properly.
But what in the case where that platform has been removed? Under the hypothetical context where the punished truly is guilty, how can they self-reflect and correct any erroneous blots of behaviour on their forum persona? Typically, via the process of tough-love and a correct outlining of their bad deeds an individual can hopefully acknowledge their shortcomings and correct their behaviour to a suitable norm. But when that individual is thrown nothing but scraps of evidence without any proper reasoning attached, what are they supposed to do?
And that is the dilemma. My ban is practically permanent. I haven't been given any clues as to why I was banned specifically, other than the liberal use of the word 'toxic'. Toxic is vague and non-descript, but excellent for quickly throwing away the need for explanation and due-process under the rug. Karst was banned with both reason and evidence and I have been banned with only evidence but no reason attached (and the messy evidence doesn't really correlate or indicate towards any immensely detrimental behaviour worthy of a six month ban and attaching a reason would really help). I am completely in the dark save for a few tiny, sporadic blots of very, very dim light.
How can I make an appeal in 6 months and be sincere and apologetic if I don't even know what I'm supposed to be apologising for? Isn't it a bit unfair to just push a community member off the boardwalk with nought but - what is in comparison - scraps from a newspaper? The platform I spoke of previously is non-existent, and the road towards the appeal six months later looks like it loops round infinitely. It didn't fill me with faith how my last two appeals were essentially brushed off like dust.
Now, I'm not saying every appeal ever should end up in approval, however looking at the way things are it seems that things are purposefully shaped so that when I make my appeal in six months, I'll just be thrown back into another six month ban for even vaguer reasons. The lack of humanity and empathy is just as unnerving as the unwillingness to adhere to the rules and process itself. Seemingly banned in a manner whereby the Staff hope I don’t reform, I was hastily shoved onto a six month ban with very little indication why. The opportunity for an appeal shows an attempt to be empathetic, but without attaching proper reason, ruling and doing things via the proper process, it all seems very hollow.
I apologise for the posting via an alt but I don't think it'd be fair of me to ask others. The intention isn't for this to be a discussion thread but rather an invitation for the Staff to talk to me and brief me on things properly. Just some cooperation, rather than repeated demonizing, would be nice.
While this was very well thought out... Stop using "big smart words" to sound smart. Speak simple English, this isn't a press conference.
With that out of the way, I agree.
Give the man a reason as to why he was banned. It literally requires little to no thought to summarize what he did to deserve a ban. Whether it's deserved or not, that's the staff to care. But if someone asks for evidence and/or reason, give it to them. It's like he said.
How do you fix something broken if you don't know what's broken about it?
This is not Flood. The thread stays open for now, but is monitored. ~Sind
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As far as I can gather, you were banned for a complete lack of empathy or willingness to be reasonable towards other people. If you want to write a proper appeal, you're going to at least have to signal that you're remotely capable and willing to understanding other players perspectives.
Your total lack of empathy manifested itself in the following ways:
-Your constant whining about how admins don't process your player requests/events, and by some sort of logical acrobatics, making their lack of dedicating all of their time to fulfilling all of your personal wishes responsible for the decline of the rest of the server population.
-Your constant looking for reasons and justifications to gank other people, while trying to make yourself look like the good guy. What!? Some guys shot a guy who was near their home base and who didn't leave after being warned multiple time to kindly buzz off? PURGE THE SERVER OF THESE EVIL CREATURES!!!11
-Your constant verbal and pewpew attacks on groups that shared space with your factions, trying to make them look bad every way you could (order, prime).
-Your constant verbal attack on people who were discussing something and who didn't share your view. Your attacks/insults against n00bl3t, for example, who was really trying to help everyone involved, you calling him stupid, while really you were being... apparently simply to stupid and full of yourself to understand what he was saying and then being unable to admit it, was an example which showed that you're simply not interested in being reasonable, but only work towards self-aggrandizement and pushing your own agendas, at any cost.
All in all, you were constantly riling people up against other people. This is what is considered "toxic".
Sure, you're not the only one who behaved like that. Sure, others (also faction leaders, devs, and admins) got away with exactly the same thing for a long long time. Sure, the admins could have handled the bans better. For example they could have explained your misbehavior better to yourself and to others. And they could have sanctioned/warned you at the time you did these things, and not put you on a list for summary execution weeks later. But really, admins didn't do any better or worse with you than they did with other sanctions. You just didn't care as long as it didn't hit you.
I hope this information helps in your future endeavors and ban appeals.
User was banned for: Karlotta alt
Time left: (Permanent)
The Rules Wrote:* - Any attempt to circumvent a ban will result in your first appeal denied automatically. Repeated attempts will result in more appeals denied
So this is like the 6th or 7th time, by my math Lyth won't be able to get a successful appeal for at least another 4 years
Agreed. The content of the OP requires whoever replies to bring up specific reasons to justify the nature of the ban, all of which in most cases would be considered as trial by forum. No need to let it degrade further than that. Thread locked. If the green staff will want to make a statement, they can bump it with their reply later. ~Sind
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