That Big Bretonian Love Brick

[tansytansey]

For the same reasons which I wrote in the other thread.... factions should keep their character.

Bretonian ships are all heavy, Kusari Ships are all light... except the Battleship which is heavy? Seems kind of out of character to me.

There is still some room for a bit more armor/bats/bots, but not much.

What I thought about doing is significantly improving the forward gun (range, speed etc), so that it's something half-way between Liberty GB forward gun and Liberty Cruiser forward gun.

This will make it good vs BS (with say 2.5k range on the gun) and a bit more useful vs cruisers, while against Gunboats it will stay about the same and against normal sized transports (not Ctrans) as well.

I like that idea. Pump up it's bots/bots and armour as much as you can.

Although I disagree on this point:

Bretonian GB is the best GB against GBs

But that's personal preference. I prefer turn rate over fire power and armour xD

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[mjolnir]

Bretonian ships are all heavy, Kusari Ships are all light... except the Battleship which is heavy? Seems kind of out of character to me.

Blame vanilla developers... again. Kusari BS is like 3 times bigger than Bretonian BS, while everything else is the other way.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Just for the record, it's an awesome pirate ship.

Get a Privateer ID with your Guard tag, heheh.

As for the whole size thing, I've always said that it was silly that it had less armour than the Kusari destroyer, since it is big and armoured more than it... but changing that would require altering ship classes a lot, making both the Kusari destroyer and Bretonian gunboat into cruiser-boats, in between gunboat and cruiser, just like battlecruisers bridge the cruiser/battleship gap. Just because one happens to be named a gunboat and the other a destroyer doesn't force them into specific categories, after all.

Personally, that's my preferred idea, but it would likely put too much strain on the balance team, which isn't cool.

That way, both Kusari and Bretonia get a unique character... Bretonia would have no true gunboat, having a cruiserboat and a destroyer, whereas Kusari would ave no true destroyer, having a cruiserboat and a gunboat.

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[Sprolf]

I say give it a cruiser shield.

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[pieguy259]

Beef up the defences and make the forward gun awesomer, is my vote.

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[tansytansey]

Blame vanilla developers... again. Kusari BS is like 3 times bigger than Bretonian BS, while everything else is the other way.

This is a mod isn't it? Time to correct the mistakes of the original developers. I for one am in favour of making the Kusari Caps heavier, bringing contrast to their fighter line, but eh, a light cap ship line would work too.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[Elven]

I'd say, leave it as it is.
Bretonian caps are really caps - heavy and strong. If you're afraid of bombers, get a pair of razorPaladins with you - they're awesome.

[Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd]

Something which is actually SMALLER than the Kusari destroyer with gunboat stats.

Yeah... I once had a [KNF] dessie attack my bret GB as I was sitting with the lane down halfway between leeds and stokes.

Unbeknownst to the [KNF] Dessie, Lunaphase (who at the time had a bret BS) was sitting ready to quickdock with the lane if I ran into trouble.

Long story short, Lunaphase rapes the dessie, in the opening volley he takes it's shield AND blows off it's thruster with a missle, 80m/s vs 90 m/s, thats endgame folks.

The [KNF] guy, in PM after exploding, asked why a BS showed up to support a dessie-dessie fight.

We have three real options here, with various ways to do each

1- alter the current one
-Resize it smaller
-buff it's manuverbility stats further to compensate for how damned big it is (IE: more armor/power/guns) and call it a light cruiser (IE: 10 GB guns, the power core to actualy sustain them.) (note: I only suggested calling it a light cruiser because size wise, it's a GIANT target currently. Heavy GBs suck to fight a bomber in, the loldente or the rogue/molly GB are 1on1 much better at killing bombers... plus you can evade a cap a lot more easily in them)
2-make a new one.
- New one should be teh suck against anything but snubcraft. Give it 4 hard mounted main guns that are essently cruiser solaris, light GB turn rate, and 2 empty GB gun slots to mount missles, razors, pulse, whatever. Power core wise, the guns should allow a slow recharge. Now you have a good anti fighter/bomber platform, but due to the anti fighter guns on it sucking against anything of size, and only having 2 open GB slots, it'd also be of a restricted use purpose.

Personaly, I'd opt for option two.

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

No, you dont CHANGE them. You make entirely new ones. The old ones are fine as they are.

Besides, it'd add tactical flexibillity to Kusari's Fleets, along with Bretonias.

Looks like we need more ship moddahs?