I was just reading the GMG faction thread and it was closed in my opinion for no real reason. But I guess theres rules or something about it.
So why not make a specific forum for potential factions to post what they have, and allow the community to comment and help them make their proposal better before they do the request.
This way here the request is proper, and theres no spam in the request thread telling the person how to fix their request. They could get all that over with before actually making the request.
*note* this area wouldn't be an actual request area, but just a place to allow the faction to perfect their request before making it and wasting people's time.
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The system as it stands was designed to do exactly that, you post your faction creation request it gets picked apart by the community and re-written, altered and adjusted as necessary. Then when the admins have finished mulling over the final product, by this time the thread has usually devolved to discussing something obscure like the color of the tractor beams, the Admins give a decision. Thta's how it's supposed to work. Since the 500 million bond has been instigated a lot of people are essentially bypassing this by putting their faction in the main forum and saying "It's not a request, just looking for ideas". Well if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a bloody duck. You get your suggestions and pointers after you pay the 500 million, not before. At least in theory.
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um... I was wondering why it is so important for that 500 mil to be paid first?
By that I can only assume that the goal is to NOT have faction proposals or to slow down the potential influx of said proposals...
CapWhores tend to farm money far better and faster than the rest of us anyway... so realistically the 500 mil kinda puts the Creative council of the forums in the hands of the 'rich' does it not?
I have no desire to start a faction, (other than the Hive of course), I was just wondering about this rule.
methinks a spot like this for newer players to get schooled, rebuked, corrected etc. might be much better than the horrid attacks new proposals bring in the correct forum.
Farm 500 mil.. propose your idea and watch it go down in flames because your spelling, diction, grammar or eloquence or sub-par to the stalwarts here...
I like the idea of a 'safe' place where people can be told to go back to the drawing board without humiliation...
and, if you pay the 500 mil and the faction gets denied, then you just lost 500 mil.
Unless there is some system of getting it back if the faction is denied.
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Whilst I'm not totally in agreement about the 500million, I do believe that it could hinder an otherwise solid faction proposal, I understand it's implementation was designed to prevent YANF's, figuring the 500 would be a deterrent to putting up a faction proposal that you know will get denied. Making a new forum for this will not prevent the flame wars that break out when something like the Black Lagoon proposal is put there. It will simply move them. The way it stands right now is not perfect but then no system ever is.
Edit: The 500 million is a non-refundable deposit, if you get approved it services as a downpayment on a faction system. If you get denied you lose 500million, should make you think more about the faction you are proposing, which is exactly what it is designed to do.
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The forum for Faction requests originally went up because of a pop-up faction that had no community input, and really made a lot of people upset about the whole system.
So with the help of the Admins the Faction Creation Requests forum was produced, with the purpose of getting the factions out into the open to be critiqued by the community. This was originally designed to help factions come into Disco with a reasonable amount of information given to the community who would be making room for them.
After the community discussed the faction being proposed, an admin would step in, see the community's opinions, and along with the Admin Team's own opinions, grant the faction or deny it.
Sadly, the creation of the forum, while doing it's intended job, fostered the YANF syndrome again. Lets face it, for every LPI or XA proposal, there were 10+ others that were horrible. The cut-and-paste approach, taking (for example) The BrotherHood's faction page, changing a few words, and voila you're own faction. No. People with 2 days on Disco, 2 hours on the forums, were putting up 3 line "proposals" every 20 minutes it seemed.
So the Admins decided that if you want your faction to go through this process, you have to put up or shut up. $500m is a reasonable sum of money to put up. It means that you should have spent enough time around here to know what you're doing enough to put together a reasonable faction proposal.
I laugh heartily when I see Chubb mode enabled on a thread b/c of no funds being transfered. It's pinned to the top of the subforum, along with some extremely well-written articles and examples that seem to be overlooked by the more over-zealous faction leader wannabees.
I really like the idea of community involvement. the $500m was also a good idea, but the circumvention should be mashed into a gritty paste. Personally, I'd like to see the thread deleted, not just locked.
Well, thing is the 500mil is mostly so the admins aren't always busy with requests right?
The idea is a section where the admins don't have to worry since its just the first draft area. I mean, in any proposal, theres always going to be first, second even third drafts before it goes to the big boss in real life.
Once the draft is done and the community helped, the proposal can be paid for and posted in the official area, where then, the admins get to read a proper and correct proposal without getting mixed up in small mistakes that the first draft should have gotten rid of.
It would suck for a proposal to be denied because of a small problem that the community could have easily helped the poster fix.
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the 500m isn't so the Admins aren't innundated, it's so people are supposed to see how Disco works to create informed faction proposals. or that's the hope. No more quick "Merc faction who only kill people with a "R" in their name" crap.
And some of the factions proposed were crap. Not just spelling and Grammar, I don't mind those, not everyone is English-speaking, I'm talking terribly thought out, or not at all.
The only thing an "unofficial faction discussion" forum's going to do is bring back the doorknobs out of the woodwork with bad factions again.
Edit: If you want to have a faction, REALLY want to lead it, you're going to DO YOUR HOMEWORK on the subject, pay the 500m BEFORE PUTTING UP YOUR FACTION POST and go by the rules, if you don't...well good luck to ya son.
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