]LN] imput required. Just a question.

[Dave Johnson]

As a member of the 7'th i never give any other indes a order i always ask them and if they say no so be it when i get involed in a battle i will take orders from the one i belive to be in command of each battle .

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[SothaSil]

I've always asked, I guess it depends on the situation. If our current leader runs off or gets killed, as has happened in the past, its usually a good idea for someone else to imediatly jump in and take command so we don't spend the next few minuites disorganised trying to figure out who to take over whilst being shot at.

But as far as I'm aware we only give orders in the fleet combat scenarios anyway. You're not going to have SFC| randomly telling you to do things whilst its quiet, since if we need additional ships we tend to muster them ourselfs from other SFC members, rather than ask random LNS guys who may want to do thier own thing. And your certainatly not going to get us threaterning to kill you for not complying.

You took my post too negatively. I was talking only about fleet scenarios, and in those cases I saw it was good to have the SFC taking command cause otherwise it would have been an unorganzied indy fleet. You guys developed actually quite good.

[Soul Reaper]

Ye ok, let me give you an answer.

No one commands anyone. For the entirety of the Liberty Navy, the only two people who have -any- authority over Navy is [LN] 1iC and 2iC, mainly Joe and Sarah, this goes into official faction rights..or rules..not sure which one. The reason someone takes command of a group is because well..there has to be some kind of coordination in order to win a battle. The reason people would feel better listening to the [LN] (or any other indi faction and their official factions) is because, well, they're probably more experienced and level headed and know stuff.

Of course, that doesn't mean all the members of the [LN] have the ability or experience to command, it's just that indi players prefer to be coordinated by an "official" rather than someone else.

So basically, if an indi LNS is ordering you (as an indi LNS yourself) around, and you don't want to give a damn about what they think, then don't. If they threaten to shoot you and do it because you didn't bow down to their "superiority", well, take pics as evidence and sanction them.

Easy.

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[Timmy]

Ryoken, what is fleet? It's group of ships lead by one or small group of capable persons. Since our primary fleet usually absent it is up to indies to take command. Who exactly, depends on the wish and abilities. If you so want you can prove yourself as good leader and give orders yourself. If no, then you have two options, leave the fleet or follow someone's orders. Without it all LNS dying like flies one by one. SFC, 41st and 7'TH are merely groups who have chosen leaders for them selfs, and trusting them. Since those leaders chosen for something, they attempting to bring organization to other indies as well, since separately no one can do a thing. And btw, if you think that [LN] are good fleet coordinators, you're wrong. All ranks in any official faction gain for activity, skill to fly the ship and forum stuff, not battle leading skills. Few have this skill, but they mostly inactive due to real life problems.

[Reid]

And btw, if you think that [LN] are good fleet coordinators, you're wrong. All ranks in any official faction gain for activity, skill to fly the ship and forum stuff, not battle leading skills. Few have this skill, but they mostly inactive due to real life problems.

I see that you're still mad about a battle that happened a month ago where you lost because a [LN] cruiser was swarmed by bombers.

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[Sarawr!?]

So basically, if an indi LNS is ordering you (as an indi LNS yourself) around, and you don't want to give a damn about what they think, then don't. If they threaten to shoot you and do it because you didn't bow down to their "superiority", well, take pics as evidence and sanction them.

Easy.

Preeeeeeeeeeeeetty much this. Indies don't have any 'authority' or 'rights' when acting on their own, like the ones official factions are granted.

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[ryoken]

OK to clear up a little. If it is a large engagement i have no issues with someone taking command to help organise the fight. That is just common sense.
Where i am getting issues is where I am in Yorktown, or my cruiser/GB/Bomber/fighter/Liberator and dealing with someone not wanted in Liberty like a Rheinland transport, or other "unwanted" ship/group. Usually right infront of Manhattin as we all know. Then while i am dealing with said ship/char an Indie from 1 of these groups shows up(probably called by friend in said ship) and try's to order me to let them be. They are breaking no laws, and so on. Whereas just being in Liberty is breaking a law. I Ignore them, sometimes I end up shooting said ship as it refuses to be escorted out after many attempts, or docks OORP(that pisses me right off) and I then get i got no authority to "harrass" civs, or they will "report" me to [LN] or they threaten to shoot me, and a few have starting a huge OORP furball.
I know [LN] cannot really order these players not to be stupid.(no cure for stupid) but more members on would be nice.
Anytime i am dealing with something like this and an [LN] or =LSF= ship shows up, I am more then happy to hand the case over to them. At which case the other indies will usually follow suit. But we need more active [LN]

As for me commanding battlegroups? I have many times. In Lib navy, in Bret navy, and in Corsair battles. But i would rather follow in those, and fight then lead them. I am not the fastest typer in a battle.

PS. Not meant to offend any one group. I have seen good and bad in all of them.

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[Silver]

Preeeeeeeeeeeeetty much this. Indies don't have any 'authority' or 'rights' when acting on their own, like the ones official factions are granted.

Official Faction Rights that well.. err.. how to midly put this?

Ye. There is no mild way to put this, so i'll be shuttin' my trap.

<3

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[Ichiru]

Official Faction Rights that well.. err.. how to midly put this?

Ye. There is no mild way to put this, so i'll be shuttin' my trap.

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[Timmy]

But lately we got 7th, and SFC, and a few other little groups with Navy ID, and i am getting real sick of them going around Liberty ordering any navy ship around like they have some kind of authority.

What was that?

OK to clear up a little. If it is a large engagement i have no issues with someone taking command to help organise the fight. That is just common sense.
Where i am getting issues is where I am in Yorktown, or my cruiser/GB/Bomber/fighter/Liberator and dealing with someone not wanted in Liberty like a Rheinland transport, or other "unwanted" ship/group. Usually right infront of Manhattin as we all know. Then while i am dealing with said ship/char an Indie from 1 of these groups shows up(probably called by friend in said ship) and try's to order me to let them be. They are breaking no laws, and so on. Whereas just being in Liberty is breaking a law. I Ignore them, sometimes I end up shooting said ship as it refuses to be escorted out after many attempts, or docks OORP(that pisses me right off) and I then get i got no authority to "harrass" civs, or they will "report" me to [LN] or they threaten to shoot me, and a few have starting a huge OORP furball.
I know [LN] cannot really order these players not to be stupid.

Can say for sure that SFC don't do it. That's first.

As for me commanding battlegroups? I have many times. In Lib navy, in Bret navy, and in Corsair battles. But i would rather follow in those, and fight then lead them. I am not the fastest typer in a battle.

I partially trying to do the same, but mostly everyone in group thinking too slowly, and thinking wrong way. Since I am not fastest typer, I am trying to listen. If someone starting giving completely stupid orders, I trying to give advises how to do it better. Thought not much people listen. Still, it's only when I play indie.

PS. Not meant to offend any one group. I have seen good and bad in all of them.

Ready to hear anything good and bad about SFC, but do it in pm to avoid messing this thread. If it's about Melbourne again, then don't PM me, we discussed it already.